Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[LavenderMenace]

Yes because someone who works on writing would make a decision concerning animation.
Sarcasm aside given that she’s the literal showrunner of both shows, I think it’s safe to say that she listened to the feedback. She even mentioned how working on both shows has been a helpful learning experience. I don’t want to this to turn into a situation where anything bad can be traced to Vivziepop but she can’t get any credit for the things that go right.

I'll be honest, I dunno why I said writer. MK8D has been frying by brain tonight.

Honestly can you blame me for thinking Vivvine can take any type of criticism? Based on her little emotional rants and passive aggressive tweets, she doesn't seem like the person to take a head on suggestion without getting spiteful over it.....

People really overthink and over exaggerate people’s decisions when it comes to something they don’t like.

A24 is a fucking film production studio. It really isn't an exaggeration...This cartoon fits more with Adult Swim than a film studio....

He was talking the same book IMP uses to travel between Hell and Earth, which belongs to Stolas. They explained this in the pilot and episode.

I know that. What I mean is that it felt weird to reference the book out of nowhere and it not impacting anything in the episode. I expected Stolas to instantly warp them back to the office, fucking up their current job.

That’s, ah, not Blitzo being delusional, Hellhound is her actual species. She wasn’t born on earth and she never died to be sent to hell so it would make no sense to call her a wolf.

Again, I KNOW SHE'S A HELLHOUND. She doesn't look like one. She's gray and white furry wolf with a moon shirt. Call her a hellhound all you want, her design doesn't convey that.

Cuz when I think of hell hound I usually think of this.....
Black Fur, orange/red mouth, maybe horns, sigils around the fur, strong looking...

Not this...A white ass wolf that supposedly was born in hell.

 

[XtrmGamr719]

I'll be honest, I dunno why I said writer. MK8D has been frying by brain tonight.
A24 is a fucking film production studio. It really isn't an exaggeration...This cartoon fits more with Adult Swim than a film studio....

Your brain may still be fried because A24 has a television division with a list of programs on their wiki.

I know that. What I mean is that it felt weird to reference the book out of nowhere and it not impacting anything in the episode. I expected Stolas to instantly warp them back to the office, fucking up their current job.

It’s been established that Stolas gave Blitzo the book because he’s fucking him since he’s unsatisfied in his marriage.

Again, I KNOW SHE'S A HELLHOUND. She doesn't look like one. She's gray and white furry wolf with a moon shirt. Call her a hellhound all you want, her design doesn't convey that.

Cuz when I think of hell hound I usually think of this.....
Black Fur, orange/red mouth, maybe horns, sigils around the fur, strong looking...
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Not this...A white ass wolf that supposedly was born in hell.
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Hellhounds are also typically nothing more than giant dogs, clearly this show isn’t like that. This is like complaining how someone didn’t portray dwarves as short, funny-looking humans living in mountains. Or I guess any fantastical creature in Artemis Fowl.

 

[LavenderMenace]

Your brain may still be fried because A24 has a television division with a list of programs on their wiki.

Fair enough.

It’s been established that Stolas gave Blitzo the book because he’s fucking him since he’s unsatisfied in his marriage.

Oh...Thought Blitzo stole the book.....

Hellhounds are also typically nothing more than giant dogs, clearly this show isn’t like that. This is like complaining how someone didn’t portray dwarves as short, funny-looking humans living in mountains. Or I guess any fantastical creature in Artemis Fowl.

I'd expect the drawf to be adleast short....SOME relation to the name....If Luna's fur was black or a dark color then I'd be fine with the design.

 

[Clorox Cowboy]

Again, I KNOW SHE'S A HELLHOUND. She doesn't look like one. She's gray and white furry wolf with a moon shirt. Call her a hellhound all you want, her design doesn't convey that.

Cuz when I think of hell hound I usually think of this.....
Black Fur, orange/red mouth, maybe horns, sigils around the fur, strong looking...
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Not this...A white ass wolf that supposedly was born in hell.
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We don't need more red and black characters, it would make a boring as hell character line up if everyone had traditionally demonic colors.

I agree she looks rather bland compared to the rest, but that's just because she's literally a goth anthro wolf. Don't really have any concrete ideas to fix her or improve the design. Vivziepop's previous wolf character, JJ, looks really cool and unique. However, she's way too colorful and preppy to fit into the world.

 

[Private Pyle]

Honestly can you blame me for thinking Vivvine can take any type of criticism? Based on her little emotional rants and passive aggressive tweets, she doesn't seem like the person to take a head on suggestion without getting spiteful over it.....

XtrmGamr719 did a good job of covering the other points so I’ll address this part.

I’m personally not going to defend the shitflinging she does on social media, that’s on her. But for all her many faults, she has proven she is capable of adjusting and tweaking her shows based on good faith critique. I think rather focus on the negatives, we should give credit where credit is due if a creator is doing something right, especially with one that has so much power over their show.
Besides, if we judged every cartoon creator by how they act on twitter, everything would look like shit by default.

 

[LavenderMenace]

XtrmGamr719 did a good job of covering the other points so I’ll address this part.

I’m personally not going to defend the shitflinging she does on social media, that’s on her. But for all her many faults, she has proven she is capable of adjusting and tweaking her shows based on good faith critique. I think rather focus on the negatives, we should give credit where credit is due if a creator is doing something right, especially with one that has so much power over their show.
Besides, if we judged every cartoon creator by how they act on twitter, everything would look like shit by default.

True. I know what hard work looks like when it comes to animation.

Spoiler: FUN FACT

I had to get Carpal Tunnel surgery on my right hand due to me working on my final college animation for 8 months straight borderline everyday for hours. It was somewhat worth it due to having the best looking animation in the class but it wasn't fun having surgery and not using my right hand for weeks.

Moral of the story: Stretch your fingers and hands or get stuck in the arms with needles for a nerve test.

I'd expect creators to show some type of respect or awareness to their actions online. Because ya know....companies look up potential employers and such. People are always watching and never forget.... Can you honestly imagine someone like Rebecca Sugar getting angry over people shipping her characters? Still shocked she was still employed after the EEnE yaoi art she did leeked.

Vivvine is talented. She has good director skills for managing to pump this project out. But if she's gonna act like an asshole online over minimal things, she shouldn't be surprised when people judge her....

 

[A Grey Cat]

True. I know what hard work looks like when it comes to animation.

Spoiler: FUN FACT

I had to get Carpal Tunnel surgery on my right hand due to me working on my final college animation for 8 months straight borderline everyday for hours. It was somewhat worth it due to having the best looking animation in the class but it wasn't fun having surgery and not using my right hand for weeks.

Moral of the story: Stretch your fingers and hands or get stuck in the arms with needles for a nerve test.

I'd expect creators to show some type of respect or awareness to their actions online. Because ya know....companies look up potential employers and such. People are always watching and never forget.... Can you honestly imagine someone like Rebecca Sugar getting angry over people shipping her characters? Still shocked she was still employed after the EEnE yaoi art she did leeked.

Vivvine is talented. She has good director skills for managing to pump this project out. But if she's gonna act like an asshole online over minimal things, she shouldn't be surprised when people judge her....

Oh please with the way cn is going, yaoi EEnE art could get you hired

I'll be honest, I dunno why I said writer. MK8D has been frying by brain tonight.

Honestly can you blame me for thinking Vivvine can take any type of criticism? Based on her little emotional rants and passive aggressive tweets, she doesn't seem like the person to take a head on suggestion without getting spiteful over it.....

A24 is a fucking film production studio. It really isn't an exaggeration...This cartoon fits more with Adult Swim than a film studio....


I know that. What I mean is that it felt weird to reference the book out of nowhere and it not impacting anything in the episode. I expected Stolas to instantly warp them back to the office, fucking up their current job.


Again, I KNOW SHE'S A HELLHOUND. She doesn't look like one. She's gray and white furry wolf with a moon shirt. Call her a hellhound all you want, her design doesn't convey that.

Cuz when I think of hell hound I usually think of this.....
Black Fur, orange/red mouth, maybe horns, sigils around the fur, strong looking...
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Not this...A white ass wolf that supposedly was born in hell.
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Hey! Nobody disrespects my waifu like that

 

[Private Pyle]

Still shocked she was still employed after the EEnE yaoi art she did leeked.

First of all, the yaoi never leaked, it’s been public knowledge since 2007, long before she was employed by CN; to give you an idea how public it is, there’s still a Cartoon Brew up that talks about all the smut she drew. Second of all, people overestimate how much companies actually care about smut; the creator of American Dragon mentioned how Disney sat him down, showed him Kim Possible porn and said “This is going to happen to your show”.
In regarding to how they should “show respect or awareness to their actions online”, again most animators aren’t always the most pleasant people on twitter and yeah, maybe that should change, but it’s not exclusive. Companies only care if you can do the work and not do anything dangerous to hurt their brand. It’s always people outside the industry that have higher purity standards.

But if she's gonna act like an asshole online over minimal things, she shouldn't be surprised when people judge her....

It’s easy to judge people online especially in situations where you don’t have context in certain situations or don’t know about their past. I find Viv annoying during her tantrums but the fact is that I don’t know her enough as a person to make long term judgements. So I just separate the art from the artist and laugh off her schmuck ups.

Good luck on your animation I guess, that was kind of out of left field.

 

[Anti pedo]

Can we talk about how moronic hazbin hotel fans can be like for example they accused villainous of being a rip-off of hazbin hotel despite no relation besides being made by Mexican, and starts making conspiracy theory that CN is trying to milk hazbin hotel fanbase with villainous like holy shit just because an animation project has similarity in art style does not mean its a Chineses rip-off FUCK it's like art style theft bullshit back on deviant art all over again.

 

[Racist Trash]

Can we talk about how moronic hazbin hotel fans can be like for example they accused villainous of being a rip-off of hazbin hotel despite no relation besides being made by Mexican, and starts making conspiracy theory that CN is trying to milk hazbin hotel fanbase with villainous like holy shit just because an animation project has similarity in art style does not mean its a Chineses rip-off FUCK it's like art style theft bullshit back on deviant art all over again.

Retard fans will be retard fans it doesn't matter the fanbase, also wasn't Villainous from like half a decade back when it was originally shorts on Spanish speaking Cartoon Network?

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I’d like to point out that the easiest way to enjoy something is just to avoid social media altogether. Because chances are that actor you like or creator your a fan of has done or said something that’ll piss you off, and people seem to turn off their filter while tweeting or posting or whatever.

 

[Baron Vain]

Sorry to be late, The idiot who started the Hazbin Hotel/vivziepop controversy last year just an extra FYI about them.

 

[Private Pyle]

Can we talk about how moronic hazbin hotel fans can be like for example they accused villainous of being a rip-off of hazbin hotel despite no relation besides being made by Mexican, and starts making conspiracy theory that CN is trying to milk hazbin hotel fanbase with villainous like holy shit just because an animation project has similarity in art style does not mean its a Chineses rip-off FUCK it's like art style theft bullshit back on deviant art all over again.

Sounds about right unfortunately; remember, there were people who legitimately believe Steven Universe stole an Undertale parody song. And not to sound deflecting but just as well, I remembered how HH Criticals were bashing Hazbin in order to prop up Villainous. The irony of course being that Viv is a fan of Villainous and Alan Turiel has spoken positively on Hazbin Hotel.

Retard fans will be retard fans it doesn't matter the fanbase, also wasn't Villainous from like half a decade back when it was originally shorts on Spanish speaking Cartoon Network?

Also this; every time a fandom gets big, without fail, slap fights break out. Internet fandoms have this weird sports mentality where there needs to be some sort of winning team they have to back up.

In a more informative post, the Villainous shorts indeed date back to 2012 on Turiel’s website before being sold to CN.

 

[Racist Trash]

Tomar the plumber is here to sell some products and announces that the second episode of Helluva is soon, one episode a month/month and a half?

 

[The Fair Lady]

I'm good on merch (for now) but I wasn't expecting the next Helluva episode to be coming out already, not that I'm complaining.

 

[Spergenschütz]

Not all is well for the Hazbin Community on Twitter, there has been loads of drama recently about 2 of the most famous Charlastor artists (Alfa Lyr and Nervous/Hating Alex), and they've apparently slandered Viv, started hate mobs, went batshit over Charlie X Vaggie, drew autistic shit just to own ships they despise or some other petty bullshit. After mercilessly infodumping for the anti community, it is time I've started doing so for the more exceptional parts of the fandom as well as they can be equally, if not so more lulzy than the HH Critical Community.

One of them was autistic enough to draw Alastor skull-fucking Vaggie's head just to "own" the Chaggie shippers.

Spoiler: WTF

And as a bonus @hating_alex actually used to have a previous Twitter by the name of @nervous_alex, but it got suspended.


Here are some links that showcase their insanity.

https://twitter.com/bloodypixell/status/1273579774737297410

https://twitter.com/H_A_L_E__/status/1321871186561691648

https://hellyeahincorrecthazbinquotes.tumblr.com/post/619376669924442112/i-have-come-to-make-an-announcement-alfa-lyr-is-a

https://twitter.com/Ames_CartoonArt/status/1204822427097800704

And it looks like we may have mistaken Viv for being entitled about this whole thing, we really should have done more research. It just dawned on me that many Charlastor shippers didn't bother to care about the rest of the show, and the funny thing is, they can simply change the day of Charlastor Day but the Anniversary itself cannot be changed at all. https://twitter.com/SadOriolesFan2/status/1321874535235407872

https://twitter.com/hirilyss/status/1322191024266055681

https://twitter.com/DeathByGlam98/status/1321637466844078080

You know you're bad when even your fellow Viv haters in the HH Critical Community actually fucking defend her, and when plenty more Charlastor shippers despise your actions. Hogging an entire anniversary day to your ship instead of being considerate enough to actually move it and let the other parts of the fandom celebrate is honestly... pretty entitled on itself.

Alfa-Lyr Links

https://twitter.com/alfa_lyr

@alfa.lyr • Instagram photos and videos

7,541 Followers, 46 Following, 68 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from @alfa.lyr

www.instagram.com

Nervous Alex Links

https://twitter.com/hating_alex

Nervous Alex (@nervous_alex) • Instagram photos and videos

14.8k Followers, 39 Following, 117 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Nervous Alex (@nervous_alex)

www.instagram.com

Assorted Charlastor Spergs/Alfa and Alex Stans

https://twitter.com/Mire89340011

(Attacks random Chaggie fans while stanning Alex and Alfa)

https://twitter.com/Rudbones40

(Parades his block by Viv after harassing her like a mad person)

https://twitter.com/AngelOr52032347

https://twitter.com/gamergirluprise

(Resident VDS sufferer who tries to one-up Viv all the time to the point of obsession)

 

[Govt. Shitposting Machine]

Not all is well for the Hazbin Community on Twitter, there has been loads of drama recently about 2 of the most famous Charlastor artists (Alfa Lyr and Nervous/Hating Alex), and they've apparently slandered Viv, started hate mobs, went batshit over Charlie X Vaggie, drew autistic shit just to own ships they despise or some other petty bullshit. After mercilessly infodumping for the anti community, it is time I've started doing so for the more exceptional parts of the fandom as well as they can be equally, if not so more lulzy than the HH Critical Community.

One of them was autistic enough to draw Alastor skull-fucking Vaggie's head just to "own" the Chaggie shippers.

Spoiler: WTF

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And as a bonus @hating_alex actually used to have a previous Twitter by the name of @nervous_alex, but it got suspended.
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Here are some links that showcase their insanity.

https://twitter.com/bloodypixell/status/1273579774737297410

https://twitter.com/H_A_L_E__/status/1321871186561691648

https://hellyeahincorrecthazbinquotes.tumblr.com/post/619376669924442112/i-have-come-to-make-an-announcement-alfa-lyr-is-a

https://twitter.com/Ames_CartoonArt/status/1204822427097800704

And it looks like we may have mistaken Viv for being entitled about this whole thing, we really should have done more research. It just dawned on me that many Charlastor shippers didn't bother to care about the rest of the show, and the funny thing is, they can simply change the day of Charlastor Day but the Anniversary itself cannot be changed at all. https://twitter.com/SadOriolesFan2/status/1321874535235407872

https://twitter.com/hirilyss/status/1322191024266055681

https://twitter.com/DeathByGlam98/status/1321637466844078080

You know you're bad when even your fellow Viv haters in the HH Critical Community actually fucking defend her, and when plenty more Charlastor shippers despise your actions. Hogging an entire anniversary day to your ship instead of being considerate enough to actually move it and let the other parts of the fandom celebrate is honestly... pretty entitled on itself.

Alfa-Lyr Links

https://twitter.com/alfa_lyr

@alfa.lyr • Instagram photos and videos

7,541 Followers, 46 Following, 68 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from @alfa.lyr

www.instagram.com

Nervous Alex Links

https://twitter.com/hating_alex

Nervous Alex (@nervous_alex) • Instagram photos and videos

14.8k Followers, 39 Following, 117 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Nervous Alex (@nervous_alex)

www.instagram.com

Assorted Charlastor Spergs/Alfa and Alex Stans

https://twitter.com/Mire89340011

(Attacks random Chaggie fans while stanning Alex and Alfa)

https://twitter.com/Rudbones40

(Parades his block by Viv after harassing her like a mad person)

https://twitter.com/AngelOr52032347

https://twitter.com/gamergirluprise

(Resident VDS sufferer who tries to one-up Viv all the time to the point of obsession)

What the fuck not to powerlevel but I follow Nervous Alex on Instagram and whenever the topic of antis and shipping wars comes up they're always really respectful, like as in "please don't send hate messages or look at it if you don't like what I draw just block me" which to be honest that's all you really should say, so I don't really understand why they're chimping out.
Though I'll at least agree with them on HH having a shit creator and fandom because Viv is a bit nutty and the fandom is rabid 12 year olds to the surprise of absolutely nobody.
Twitter really does bring out the inner retard.

 

[Elpizo]

Not all is well for the Hazbin Community on Twitter, there has been loads of drama recently about 2 of the most famous Charlastor artists (Alfa Lyr and Nervous/Hating Alex), and they've apparently slandered Viv, started hate mobs, went batshit over Charlie X Vaggie, drew autistic shit just to own ships they despise or some other petty bullshit. After mercilessly infodumping for the anti community, it is time I've started doing so for the more exceptional parts of the fandom as well as they can be equally, if not so more lulzy than the HH Critical Community.

One of them was autistic enough to draw Alastor skull-fucking Vaggie's head just to "own" the Chaggie shippers.

Spoiler: WTF

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And as a bonus @hating_alex actually used to have a previous Twitter by the name of @nervous_alex, but it got suspended.
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Here are some links that showcase their insanity.

https://twitter.com/bloodypixell/status/1273579774737297410

https://twitter.com/H_A_L_E__/status/1321871186561691648

https://hellyeahincorrecthazbinquotes.tumblr.com/post/619376669924442112/i-have-come-to-make-an-announcement-alfa-lyr-is-a

https://twitter.com/Ames_CartoonArt/status/1204822427097800704

And it looks like we may have mistaken Viv for being entitled about this whole thing, we really should have done more research. It just dawned on me that many Charlastor shippers didn't bother to care about the rest of the show, and the funny thing is, they can simply change the day of Charlastor Day but the Anniversary itself cannot be changed at all. https://twitter.com/SadOriolesFan2/status/1321874535235407872

https://twitter.com/hirilyss/status/1322191024266055681

https://twitter.com/DeathByGlam98/status/1321637466844078080

You know you're bad when even your fellow Viv haters in the HH Critical Community actually fucking defend her, and when plenty more Charlastor shippers despise your actions. Hogging an entire anniversary day to your ship instead of being considerate enough to actually move it and let the other parts of the fandom celebrate is honestly... pretty entitled on itself.

Alfa-Lyr Links

https://twitter.com/alfa_lyr

@alfa.lyr • Instagram photos and videos

7,541 Followers, 46 Following, 68 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from @alfa.lyr

www.instagram.com

Nervous Alex Links

https://twitter.com/hating_alex

Nervous Alex (@nervous_alex) • Instagram photos and videos

14.8k Followers, 39 Following, 117 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Nervous Alex (@nervous_alex)

www.instagram.com

Assorted Charlastor Spergs/Alfa and Alex Stans

https://twitter.com/Mire89340011

(Attacks random Chaggie fans while stanning Alex and Alfa)

https://twitter.com/Rudbones40

(Parades his block by Viv after harassing her like a mad person)

https://twitter.com/AngelOr52032347

https://twitter.com/gamergirluprise

(Resident VDS sufferer who tries to one-up Viv all the time to the point of obsession)

Dude, that's a great find!

 

[Racist Trash]

I will never understand shippers who become aggressive as fuck about it, there is being critical about whether a relationship works and then there is just your personal fantasy not being fufiled and getting extremely upset about it and lashing out at everyone because of it.

 

[XtrmGamr719]

I will never understand shippers who become aggressive as fuck about it, there is being critical about whether a relationship works and then there is just your personal fantasy not being fufiled and getting extremely upset about it and lashing out at everyone because of it.

I was in the RWBY fandom and I still have no goddamn clue.