Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[madethistocomment]

Alastor's speaking voice sucks, which I was really hoping wouldn't be the case because his singing voice was decent. The voice actor isn't putting nearly as much effort into the lemony narrator voice thing as Bosco did, and it sounds like they didn't even add the staticky overlay to his voice like how it was in the pilot. All of the voices feel like downgrades, actually. Guess this is what you get when you dump a talented cast to chase stars instead.

Also Vaggie is absolutely a fallen angel, the angels from the trailer have the exact same kind of wings with the same patterns on them.

 

[King Metalia]

I think it 's okay to assume now.

https://twitter.com/HazbinHotel/status/1734999724397035963

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I think we can all agree Viv has a fetish for dudes getting it on. It's not even up for debate.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Just noticed this in the trailer:

"Viral creator"? Really? Not "viral animator Vivienne Medrano", or even just "from Vivienne Medrano"? God, I hate the modern media landscape so much.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

This... show is not gonna be about the hotel, is it?

The 'hotel' is gonna linger for an episode, maybe two, but the REAL focus is gonna be character drama (read, gaylationships) and the war on Heaven?

Who would want to see that? I would've been happy with an abstract comedy in hell.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

The 'hotel' is gonna linger for an episode, maybe two, but the REAL focus is gonna be character drama (read, gaylationships) and the war on Heaven?

Knowing what kind of person Vivzie is and her opinion on the Abrahamic religions (and her rather obsessive demon fetishism, something that dates back to Zoophobia), I could see it coming a mile away, long before she ever dropped any trailers for a season 1.

There was absolutely no way it wasn't going to be a twist, Charlie deciding that Heaven is just not worth it and choosing to focus her energy on protecting hell from Heaven rather than "redeeming" her patrons so that they can enter Heaven.

I know plenty of people were hoping for it to be an actual redemption story, about the children of perdition receiving long-overdue redemption and salvation, but it was pretty silly to think that was how things were going to turn out.

My expectations were already low. And yet I'm still gobsmacked by how utterly bad it is. Vivzie isn't even going to bother trying to try to focus on the Rehabilitation hotel program that Charlie wants to set up, she's going to go straight to the twist of Heaven being evil and Charlie giving up on redemption. Not only that, but spoil it in the trailer.

If anything, Vivzie has gotten even worse at storytelling and worldbuilding since Zoophobia. She's got the attention span of a fucking goldfish.

 

[Castoreum]

So when does the Demiurge show up as a gay furry?

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Knowing what kind of person Vivzie is and her opinion on the Abrahamic religions (and her rather obsessive demon fetishism, something that dates back to Zoophobia), I could see it coming a mile away.

There was absolutely no way it wasn't going to be a twist, Charlie deciding that Heaven is just not worth it and choosing to focus her energy on protecting hell from Heaven rather than "redeeming" her patrons so that they can enter Heaven.

I know plenty of people were hoping for it to be an actual redemption story, about the children of perdition receiving long-overdue redemption and salvation, but it was pretty silly to think that was how things were going to turn out.

My expectations were already low. And yet I'm still gobsmacked by how utterly bad it is. Vivzie isn't even going to bother trying to try to focus on the Rehabilitation hotel program that Charlie wants to set up, she's going to go straight to the twist of Heaven being evil and Charlie giving up on redemption. Not only that, but spoil it in the trailer.

If anything, Vivzie has gotten even worse at storytelling and worldbuilding since Zoophobia. She's got the attention span of a fucking goldfish.

I'm happy with it being spoiled in the trailer, because at least it lays its damn cards on the table and doesn't try to pretend to be something it's not.
Helluva Boss masquraded as a show about Imps doing assassination missions for Sinners with a bone to pick on the living, at least Hazbin isn't acting like it's about a Disney inspired Princess of Hell trying to get her subjects into Heaven. Honestly it's almost as if the Amazon/A24's marketing department know they have to be truthful with what the show is about instead of how Viv likes to play around the whole issue.

I would LOVE Heaven to be flawed but still ultimately well meaning, it doesn't need to be picture perfect and I even agree with arguments that a perfect Heaven would be boring, but you could have Season 1 end with Adam having his role of Exorcist commander striped away from him and his replacement is much more willing to hear Charlie's idea out. But of course, we won't get that because the show will boil down to 'Hell Good, Heaven Bad' and that would require a bit of nuisance in its writing that even though Heaven can be seriously flawed that has some assholes in high places, it still has a lot of redeeming (hah) qualities and people who can make positive changes.

 

[LucasSomething]

"So what did you think?"
"What the FUCK was that?"

"Hi mister!"
"Go FUCK yourself!"

"Who wrote this??"
Main character: It's great right?

"Fromviral creator Vivienne Medrano"

If i didnt know better i'd almost say Vivzie is intentionally playing on the whole meme that she only knows how to write swearing but i know it's unintentional and she'll get upset when someone on twitter points out those lines.

I'll just say that i'll at least hope this story is about the hotel and it's sinners trying to find redemption, if it turns into unironic attempt at Avengers/MCU wars against heaven who is objectively evil then the premise went off rails harder than HB.

 

[The Nothingness]

Now this might just be me sperging about how Christianity is being portrayed by an industry that hates it. The brief scene of Charlie meeting Adam in what looks to be somewhere in Heaven just feels so wrong (along with the whole idea of angels entering Hell to cull the population). At least HB did something right in the "C.H.E.R.U.B." episode by having both sidess meet on Earth, which is essentially the main battleground for them. But I'm sure Heaven letting Lucifer's daughter enter their realm while kicking out three of their own for screwing up their mission is part of Vivzie showing how imperfect Heaven is.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

I'll just say that i'll at least hope this story is about the hotel and it's sinners trying to find redemption, if it turns into unironic attempt at Avengers/MCU wars against heaven who is objectively evil then the premise went off rails harder than HB.

Even Charlie joins in on the singing that's basically "Screw Heaven, let's work together and kick their ass!" If she is disavowing Heaven, then it is well beyond any sort of saving and will just be a stock villainous force for the entire series. The only question left is if this is going to be one of those 'God is dead/missing' stories or if God is going to be this big meanie doodoo head who'll probably get killed Charlie or something if the series gets a proper ending instead of being prematurely cancelled at the end of Season 2.

 

[The Fair Lady]

Hrmm

 

[AnOminous]

Hrmm

Unless Vivz is way more of a moron than I previously considered, I can't imagine her replacing the not only highly popular but also objectively better VAs from so many of these roles out of anything other than pure spite or jealousy. Kovach has been specific enough about what happened (more than once) that I no longer believe the union excuse.

 

[Alter Ego]

On another note: what is it with modern cartoons and spoiling their "big twist" in the trailer? The "going to war" plot seems like the conclusion of the first season and not something they do in the first few episodes.

I'm SAYING, the whole war against heaven thing is some season 2-level shit and they put it in the trailer, we're not gonna see a single episode of them trying to reform sinners, I'm calling it now. All I can do is pretend the show's going to end with heaven utterly stomping them and wondering why they ever let the gay demons rule hell for so long.

I'm pretty sure the war against Heaven is the season finale. For whatever reason, they just want to use this point for the marketing. Maybe they think the presentation of heroes vs villains or Hell vs Heaven is more enticing to new viewers. Or they wanted to have a lot of action shots.

Given the list of episode names, I think I can actually place trailer scenes to specific episodes:

• 1: Overture
• 2: Radio Killed the Video Star - The gang makes a TV ad
• 3: Scrambled Eggs
• 4: Masquerade
• 5: Dad Beat Dad - Charlie's dad Lucifer
• 6: Welcome to Heaven - Charlie goes to Heaven to meet Adam, who mocks her plan and makes her disillusioned
• 7: Hello Rosie
• 8: The Show Must Go On - Hell versus Heaven, Vaggie reveal

Regardless, I doubt the hotel is going to get anything done by the time episode 6 comes around, the focus instead of wacky character hijinks and gay shit. Amusingly, this would make Alastor victorious in his antagonism towards Charlie in the pilot.

Alastor's speaking voice sucks, which I was really hoping wouldn't be the case because his singing voice was decent. The voice actor isn't putting nearly as much effort into the lemony narrator voice thing as Bosco did, and it sounds like they didn't even add the staticky overlay to his voice like how it was in the pilot. All of the voices feel like downgrades, actually. Guess this is what you get when you dump a talented cast to chase stars instead.

VA aside, Alastor's radio filter is selective in the trailer. While I prefer if it was constant, it might be the case that he consciously applies it, which... actually has precedent from the pilot when he momentarily loses the filter as his speech wanders in thought.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Unless Vivz is way more of a moron than I previously considered, I can't imagine her replacing the not only highly popular but also objectively better VAs from so many of these roles out of anything other than pure spite or jealousy. Kovach has been specific enough about what happened (more than once) that I no longer believe the union excuse.

There's a real easy PR way of explaining this, just say that one of the make-or-break things for the auditions was the ability to sing so each character only had one actor, and unfortunately the pilot cast all lacked that ability.
While this is a roundabout way of saying "I wanted folks from theater, especially Broadway." It would at least be better than providing no answer at all like Viv has done.

 

[The Fair Lady]

Ding ding fucking ding

 

[Beautiful Border]

There's a real easy PR way of explaining this, just say that one of the make-or-break things for the auditions was the ability to sing so each character only had one actor, and unfortunately the pilot cast all lacked that ability.

In Kovach's case that would be a hard sell, the guy's proven he can sing.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I think with the casting changes, Viv just wanted to get a foothold into the theater scene or be in touch with theater actors she liked since a good portion of the recasts were people from theater specifically.

 

[Colon capital V]

>You're gonna help sinners? Missie... You need to go back to where you came from because CLEARLY your head is too high above the clouds if you think THAT'S even remotely plausible.
Oh wow look at that, somewhat of a better response to Charlie helping sinners than just "fucking hilarious".

 

[Guysho]

If anything, Vivzie has gotten even worse at storytelling and worldbuilding since Zoophobia. She's got the attention span of a fucking goldfish.

Embarrassing that she's a millennial and not a zoomer, of which the latter possesses an average attention span shorter than a goldfish.

 

[Camel joe]

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Arabic text:
"الشيطان يأمر العادلة"
"The devil orders Justice"