Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Sparkling Yuzu]

I unironically think this concept I made years ago is a better hell than what Vizzie came up with and it ties better to what Hell is suppose to be, a place of suffering and punishment with yet a small hope that shows there IS a point in all of it, a new chance.

I liked Death Parade's depiction.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I liked Death Parade's depiction.

Bringing up Death Parade reminds me that it really handled the redemption of souls really well. It was a very interesting concept that was episodic and showed different dead people while making the main characters likeable.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Bringing up Death Parade reminds me that it really handled the redemption of souls really well.

Death Parade if Viv wrote it: fuck shit fucky balls fuck you I don't wanna play your games!!!

 

[Drain Todger]

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If anything Adam the real breakthrough character in Hazbin hotel when the audiences was suppose to hate him like Ken from Barbie.

More like Chadam, am I right?

 

[Ketamine Kat]

Hazbin Hotel has taught me that I should call sexual assault victims losers because of alcoholism equates to it.

Funny how she had a tardfit on twitter about that twink getting used like the communal fleshlight, stating that people being displeased by it didn't have context and they should wait before calling out how much of a cunt she is - only for it to be even worse than what people were thinking it was once the episode came out.

Glorious idiocy.

 

[The handsome tard]

I know it's popular to hate on the show but this song is a certified banger

It did establish two things

1- Heaven is a corrupt evil shithole (stay classy, modern entertainment)
2- Adam is a fine example of someone you love to hate and you wish he was in a better plot

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

Adam is a fine example of someone you love to hate and you wish he was in a better plot

Doesn’t help the show does a shit job of proving Adam wrong that sinners and demons don’t deserve death. At most Adam fun lawful evil. Adam did nothing wrong. Fan girls want to fuck Adam. I find that hilarious.

 

[SpiderBitch]

Vivzie has truly given us a double edged sword

>hell is almost exclusively just kweers from america, western europe and Australia
>however, heaven might be the bad guys in this show, so then in that case the evil ones are all the africans, chinese and indians that would populate heaven

Hell, even Vaggie whos Salvadorian and the one character from a more interesting place most likely used to be a hurr durr exterminator and her lesbianism extends to handholding

Heaven is honestly VERY lenient with who they let in if most of hell is straight up cannibals and murder happy gangmembers and rapists and shit as it appears to be, which in turn makes Charlie seem even more like a lil bitch for insisting they could be redeemed

 

[Drain Todger]

In the first four eps, this was the only real defining character moment for Charlie that we got:

That's it. Five seconds. The rest of the time, she's either monologuing useless exposition, or reacting to someone else's characterization. This is the only time we see her take a real stand on anything. Too bad it's cut short by Angel and she just tearfully flounces out. I wanted to see her kick someone's ass.

 

[Guysho]

I wanted to hold back the autism for a bit at first, but I must release it now:
Vox ought to have no face but be capable of "broadcasting" anyone he wants, imitating their face and voices akin to a deepfake.
One of the reasons he's pissed at Alastor is his inability to broadcast him.

Adam's had a decent introduction, could become one of the best characters in the show alongside Sir Pentious and his egg minions.

 

[Aztec Death Squad]

I know it's popular to hate on the show but this song is a certified banger

Unfathomably based chad Adam dunking on literal demons with Calvinist ideology wtf I love this show now.

 

[Local Degenerate]

It did establish two things

1- Heaven is a corrupt evil shithole (stay classy, modern entertainment)
2- Adam is a fine example of someone you love to hate and you wish he was in a better plot

To play devils advocate (hur dur), the idea of Heaven being a corrupt, bureaucratic shithole is hardly an original idea, which explains why it's in Hazbin.

 

[The handsome tard]

To play devils advocate (hur dur), the idea of Heaven being a corrupt, bureaucratic shithole is hardly an original idea, which explains why it's in Hazbin.

It isnt but this trope being used in Hazbin when it kind of renders its premise moot makes you wonder what was the point of...anything really.

 

[The Nothingness]

In the first four eps, this was the only real defining character moment for Charlie that we got:

That's it. Five seconds. The rest of the time, she's either monologuing useless exposition, or reacting to someone else's characterization. This is the only time we see her take a real stand on anything. Too bad it's cut short by Angel and she just tearfully flounces out. I wanted to see her kick someone's ass.

Charlie's "girlboss" moment will probably come during the finale if there is a big fight with Adam. Funny how, in other forms of media, if a character has a violent side underneath the positive persona they show in public, it's a sign they have emotional/mental issues.

What did Viv mean by this?

 

[Local Degenerate]

In the first four eps, this was the only real defining character moment for Charlie that we got:

That's it. Five seconds. The rest of the time, she's either monologuing useless exposition, or reacting to someone else's characterization. This is the only time we see her take a real stand on anything. Too bad it's cut short by Angel and she just tearfully flounces out. I wanted to see her kick someone's ass.

The worst thing about this is me and the wife were literally yelling at the TV that Charlie could probably beat Val straight with both arms tied behind her back. At least, that's what the show is telling us. And what's more, it would've led to a number of more interesting character moments:
Charlie dealing with losing her temper and beating the absolute life out of someone to get her way,
Angel beginning to fear Charlie as much, or more, than he does Val,
Lucifer hearing about his daughter growing a spine, AND Val starting shit with his child (love her or not, Lucifer SHOULD NOT be the kind of guy who will take a slight like that lying down),
and Val spiraling downwards ever further, being even more aggressive and violent because Charlie humiliated him, just off the top of my head.

These would still allow for the scenes we got (even more justified because Val got his way, and had his dominance actually reinforced by essentially commanding the number 2 of hell, so his snit fit barely makes sense), plus given fans a lot more to chew on.

Also, why the fuck was Katie Killjoy, the 'sexy newswoman' voiced by a man? Was that Viv trying to appease the troons again? If it is, chalk up another 'accidently based' Viv moment as Troons evidently get the fire too.

Edit: Phrasing.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

The worst thing about this is me and the wife were literally yelling at the TV that Charlie could probably beat Val straight with both arms tied behind her back. At least, that's what the show is telling us. And what's more, it would've led to a number of more interesting character moments:
Charlie dealing with losing her temper and beating the absolute life out of someone to get her way,
Angel beginning to fear Charlie as much, or more, than he does Val,
Lucifer hearing about his daughter growing a spine, AND Val starting shit with his child (love her or not, Lucifer SHOULD NOT be the kind of guy who will take a slight like that lying down),
and Val spiraling downwards ever further, being even more aggressive and violent because Charlie humiliated him, just off the top of my head.

These would still allow for the scenes we got (even more justified because Val got his way, and had his dominance actually reinforced by essentially commanding the number 2 of hell, so his snit fit barely makes sense), plus given fans a lot more to chew on.

Also, why the fuck was Katie Killjoy, the 'sexy newswoman' voiced by a man? Was that Viv trying to appease the troons again? If it is, chalk up another 'accidently based' Viv moment as Troons evidently get the fire too.

Edit: Phrasing.

This reminds me that Pilot Charlie actually had a backbone and wasn't completely helpless and naive, she just kept that tough side of her under wraps.

When Katie called her a total failure, she (admittedly very weakly) retaliated by calling her a bitch and when that pissed off Katie she didn't just sit back and let herself get beat up, but actually fought back even if she wasn't really trying to fight her since she didn't go all demonic looking. This happens again when Alastor shows up and tries to make a deal with Charlie, which she sees right through and orders him to help with the Hotel but only if he wants to, basically saying "I know you're trying to pull a fast one on me with that handshake, and I know better than to make a magic binding deal with the likes of you."

Charlie in the show is just a dumbass who's really just a Disney princess taken at face value, because while Disney princesses do have this super optimistic view of the world and are a bit naive, for the most part they still have a decent head on their shoulders from the get-go, and Pilot Charlie conveyed that idea fairly well and is much more endearing as a result.

 

[Drain Todger]

Charlie's "girlboss" moment will probably come during the finale if there is a big fight with Adam. Funny how, in other forms of media, if a character has a violent side underneath the positive persona they show in public, it's a sign they have emotional/mental issues.

What did Viv mean by this?

Charlie very obviously, transparently has some kind of mental issue. She has a childish, head-in-the-clouds, over-optimism about her own plans, enough for other members of the cast to openly describe her as delusional, and given how likely her idea of rehabilitating people to spare them Heaven's wrath is to work in practice, it's arguable that she is, in fact, 100% delusional. She's not a girlboss, she's a girlfailure. A certified loser womanchild, or so the show's writing tries to convince us. The point of her characterization is to make you ask what the fuck sort of nutcase tries to negotiate with grown-ass adults by showing them her plans literally illustrated in Crayola and sung Broadway-style. Everything she says and does is deliberately absurd and calculated to make you question her sanity and maturity.

The trouble with her incompetence is that it's kind of an informed trait, and not actually reflected in the proceedings. Everyone says she's crazy and delusional, but the fact remains that Charlie is in possession of a very nice hotel that isn't run like Fawlty Towers, isn't in the process of falling over, and doesn't have holes in the walls and rats' nests everywhere. How she acquired the building, who the hell even built it or owned it previously, none of this has been explained. It doesn't appear to be a bad place to stay at all, as long as you can handle Charlie being Charlie. Her only real problem is a lack of tenants, which can be chalked up to either their distaste at the whole concept of a live-in therapy center masquerading as a hotel, or a simple lack of knowledge of its existence.

So, in summary, the plot tries to tell us that she's incompetent when she simply hasn't done anything to really establish herself yet. Lute, Adam's subordinate, says it best. Charlie really doesn't matter. In fact, Charlie beats herself up over failing in her negotiations with the angels, when really, the main reason why they moved up the date of the extermination was because Carmilla killed one of them. Charlie wasn't anything to the angels at all, except someone to tease and prank for their own amusement.

This is a perfect example of the difference between showing and telling. The plot is telling us that Charlie is important and what she does matters on some level, because she owns the titular hotel and has a bunch of orbiters. However, it has yet to actually show us concrete evidence of how this is the case.

There are still some more episodes this season. We'll see how this goes.

The worst thing about this is me and the wife were literally yelling at the TV that Charlie could probably beat Val straight with both arms tied behind her back. At least, that's what the show is telling us. And what's more, it would've led to a number of more interesting character moments:
Charlie dealing with losing her temper and beating the absolute life out of someone to get her way,
Angel beginning to fear Charlie as much, or more, than he does Val,
Lucifer hearing about his daughter growing a spine, AND Val starting shit with his child (love her or not, Lucifer SHOULD NOT be the kind of guy who will take a slight like that lying down),
and Val spiraling downwards ever further, being even more aggressive and violent because Charlie humiliated him, just off the top of my head.

These would still allow for the scenes we got (even more justified because Val got his way, and had his dominance actually reinforced by essentially commanding the number 2 of hell, so his snit fit barely makes sense), plus given fans a lot more to chew on.

It would have meant more development for Charlie, sure, but there is also the risk that Angel would end up so shit-scared of her that he decides a free room just isn't worth it, ditches the hotel, and runs off to join the circus, so to speak. It could backfire.

Also, it would have been extremely awkward for her to start a fight at that juncture, since she had already burned through all of her disruptiveness coupons by literally starting a fire in the studio. There is an opportunity for this conflict to pick back up at a later date (and with Alastor's conflict with Vox, and Vox's partnership with Val, it almost certainly will).

Does Charlie even realize that Angel is Val's literal rapemeat? Does Charlie know that Angel intentionally goes out and gets himself roofied as a form of deliberate self-harm? There is a potential here for her to learn these facts and go absolutely apeshit on Val at some point. In fact, given the now-established antagonism between them, it would be immensely disappointing if she didn't end up beating the literal shit out of him.

 

[Roger Dennis]

Also, why the fuck was Katie Killjoy, the 'sexy newswoman' voiced by a man? Was that Viv trying to appease the troons again? If it is, chalk up another 'accidently based' Viv moment as Troons evidently get the fire too.

Wait, Katie finally spoke in the official series?

 

[Roxic]

I feel like there's a big elephant in the room that the story can't shurk off till later to explain, and its a very simple question. What does it mean to be "redeemed". How do you get " redeemed"? Cause all of the scenes seem to point to "be nicer, be more trusting, ext." Which is very jarring after you hear Adem the frat boy talk cause its very clear he doesn't have those traits.

Seems for hell, there's nothing about 'repenting', nothing about 'feeling sorry for the sins/people you've hurt". Honestly that needs clarification cause its the very base line of the story's premises.

Also can I just state the "only heaven can kill demons" basically makes all the overlords and Alister completely gimped and their strength means nothing cause its been so undermined? Same with the princess getting pissed and if she decides to whop ass. Who cares she can't kill anyone so no stakes.

 

[Seventh Star]

I don't know how you can even like Adam, he sounds like he's three seconds away from sucking on an avocado toast flavored cock.