Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Kiwi2Shoes]

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

reminder that this is the actual voice actor from the game

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

But capitalism is bad

You are a moron.

Capitalism keeps retarded losers like you protected from being subjugated to the worst this world has to offer.

 

[Tablet County]

Do you Hazbin shills have any other response to criticism? Every single time it’s either “durrrr they’re in hell of course they’re bad people” (usually in response to characterization issues and not their actual actions) or “well OBVIOUSLY you’re just jealous of Viv and her mediocre at best show! You’re just a hater!” (Which I am but that’s beside the point)

He's always like this, don't worry.

But capitalism is bad

It can't be bad. It gave us McDonalds. Has communism ever resulted in a McDonalds?

 

[doodoocaca]

So Brandon Rogers still has a YouTube channel, you know.
I can't tell if he's copying Vivz or she copied him.

 

[Tablet County]

So Brandon Rogers still has a YouTube channel, you know.

Who?

Why?

 

[Slav Power]

Who?

The guy that voices Blitzo from Helluva Boss.

Here's one of his older videos that he censor edited on his main channel, it's pretty funny.

 

[Resident Knievel]

reminder that this is the actual voice actor from the game

BASED?!

 

[doodoocaca]

Who?

The guy that voices Blitzo from Helluva Boss.

Here's one of his older videos that he censor edited on his main channel, it's pretty funny.

I think he also wrote a lot for it, and Vivz proves what a fujo she is by chasing his extremely gay ass. His "artistic vision" is also clearly influential on what Vivz has done.

That video of Brandon's characters really does look like a HazbinHelluva cosplay show. Jesus. I increasingly can't help but think that Vivz just copied him.

 

[Resident Knievel]

I think it’s funny how the internet (even here, oddly enough) was absolutely glazing viv like a Krispy Kreme donut when the pilot was the only thing to go off of but now that she has to actually prove she can write everyone turned on her. Not me tho, I was a day 1 hater

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

I think it’s funny how the internet (even here, oddly enough) was absolutely glazing viv like a Krispy Kreme donut when the pilot was the only thing to go off of but now that she has to actually prove she can write everyone turned on her. Not me tho, I was a day 1 hater

I also wasn't fully on board, due to having been burned once by Viv before (Zoophobia, my experience with which is well-documented here), but I was indeed foolishly huffing the copium that she had somehow gotten better due to early Helluva being so good. But nope - she fell into the same pitfalls she did before.

 

[Resident Knievel]

I also wasn't fully on board, due to having been burned once by Viv before (Zoophobia, my experience with which is well-documented here), but I was indeed foolishly huffing the copium that she had somehow gotten better due to early Helluva being so good. But nope - she fell into the same pitfalls she did before.

Do you have a link? I’d like to read your experience

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Do you have a link? I’d like to read your experience

everybody else ITT right now:

TL;DR - Viv made ZP a convoluted and character filled mess instead of what should've been a focused main character-driven story.

Zoophobia the webcomic was honestly one of the biggest wastes of potential I've ever seen in any piece of fiction. It was such a shame too because the intro, here to here, in terms of setting up a world and getting you invested in it, is honestly pretty brilliant - and yes I still stand by that. It sets up the main concept excellently, introduces a bunch of characters to you that you'd want to know more about, and has a pretty good balance of comedy (Cameron reacting to the world around her), mystery (the woman with the apple) and drama ("So I'm stuck here?"/the bit towards the end with Zechariah comforting Cameron).

So imagine, you're an impressionable teen and you're blown away by said introduction. You're hooked, and can't wait to see more of the adventures of this zoophobic counselor in the crazy world of animals. What's the next story arc gonna be?!

A high school couple.....with the male forgetting their....anniversary? First of all, this is not how teenagers work. Secondly, weren't we just following Cameron a second ago? It is here where the main problem of ZP starts to rear its ugly head: a complete and utter lack of focus.

One minute, OK, we're following Cameron again, good. Next minute we're with the kangaroo again. Huh? Next minute we're with the demon kid (whose name is Damien, real original there Viv), and he has a robot...companion? Who can transform or some shit?

And finally, we're back to Cameron again. It’s frustrating that ZP hits on a genuinely interesting story in Cameron, but doesn’t seem committed to it, instead plopping us in with a bunch of characters with no proper introduction and no reason to care about them (again, doubly frustrating considering Chapter 1 got it so right). Somebody could take the key components of Zoophobia and make a genuinely good story without having to discard many of them. It needed better pacing. It needed to better understand the story it was telling and be more aware of where it needed to go. There is a decent comic buried here, but it occupies about 25% of its run. I’d never, ever recommend it to another human being, but if you were forced to read it you’d likely find bits to enjoy.

Somewhere, in another universe, Cameron is the main character in a great story about overcoming your fears, meeting new people, and finding your place in the world. Maybe it was the project that put Vivienne on the map, maybe it wasn't. If you do end up reading Zoophobia at some point — maybe because you're interested in Viv's past work — pay attention to the bits involving Cameron. See her interactions with the people around her. Her dialogue. There’s a character there that Vivienne Medrano brought to life in spite of the script, in spite of the comic, in spite of anything going on around her. Pay attention to Cameron. Because she's exactly where the real ZP's buried.

A kangaroo complains that a purple and orange whatever-the-fuck forgot their high school anniversary while a pink demon robot nanny dukes it out with a bunch of police officers because her demon brat got in trouble. That's the Zoophobia we got.

A young, neurotic woman slowly but surely overcomes her fears while meeting all sorts of exotic, memorable characters and uncovering the mystery of the world she unwittingly finds herself in. That's the Zoophobia that we should've got instead.

And we're right back to square one:


She's had plenty of time, though. Like others ITT have said, Viv had a whole season to develop Millie, and yet she did jack shit with her. In fact, hot take:
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Millie is to Helluva what Cameron is to Zoophobia: a character who has tons of untapped potential, which doesn't get explored because outside of the one character trait (Cameron's being that she's afraid of animals), she's just.....there. Which in Cameron's case, was even more egregious because she was supposed to be the main fucking character. This is why, if your work has an overarching story, you plan that story out in advance, nigger. Vivienne just seems to....make up shit as she goes along. Now, that'd be fine if she were somebody like Chris Seavor or Tolkein, but, in case it weren't obvious, she ain't even on Seavor's level. Hell, even if she wrote like, a basic outline, like, "OK in Season 1, this, this, and this needs to happen, this in Season 2", etc., I'm sure we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Lol the cognitive dissonance on this bitch. To bring up Zoophobia again (I know I keep harping on it, but it's her earliest work and has a lot of the same issues that the Hellaverse has and then some, so it's pertinent to the discussion, fuck you):
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Zill (the orange-purple chimera thing) and Kayla's (the kangaroo) anniversary relationship drama (THIS. IS. NOT. HOW. TEENAGERS. ACT. VIV.) was literally the main fucking conflict of Chapter 2.
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Soooo, you'd think this is where Cameron would come in, right? You know, the main fucking character of the story, and where the title of the comic itself comes from? Maybe either Zill or Kayla, remembering that she's the new guidance counselor, get advice from her, which they comically misinterpret or something, which leads to wacky hijinks? Or maybe this is one place where Cameron is woefully out of her depth on, causing her to give advice to either one that, while well-meaning, is actually terrible, also leading to wacky hijinks. See? This way, all 3 characters get developed, while also fleshing out the world a bit, and not straying away from the premise that brought people to the comic in the first place.
.......
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Naaaah, that'd actually make sense. Let's instead have a random vampire attack the school for no reason, and have their relationship be patched up with absolutely no involvement from Cameron whatsoever, leaving her to do nothing but piss her pants off in her own little corner, because LOL GINGER WAHMAN SCURRED OF THE FURRIES, ISN'T THAT FUNNI?!
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I swear, ZP is one of the properties I most wish was in the hands of a more competent writer.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

As with many Viv projects, she got sidetracked and lost the plot. Business about demons who do assassination? Fujoshi gay relationship drama. Hotel to redeem sinners? Heaven vs hell but heaven BAD actually

Viv has good ideas for episodic shows but has this strange compulsion to serialize her shows for some reason

Plus the fact that she brings up plot points

I also wasn't fully on board, due to having been burned once by Viv before (Zoophobia, my experience with which is well-documented here), but I was indeed foolishly huffing the copium that she had somehow gotten better due to early Helluva being so good. But nope - she fell into the same pitfalls she did before.

As someone who wasn't a fan of the HH pilot, I'll be the first one to admit, I like it a whole lot better than what we got. While it had many flaws, at least I can say the majority of people who worked on the pilot had passion for it. There was more life behind the characters, the acting, the animation, the writing; rough for sure, but you can't deny that no one didn't give it their all. I always wonder how different the show would have been if it had stayed on the internet...

Anyway, it wouldn't have changed the fact that Viv can't stick to one idea for five minutes. She says she has ADHD, and I can't argue with that. You can see that with Zoophobia, where it started out with the main character dealing with her fear of animals in a world full of them, before it quickly devolved into high school drama with the side characters. And then it just keep introducing more characters that we had to get their stories on. Then she started working on the Demons and Angels arc, which ultimately put Zoophobia on a complete hiatus so she could make it it's own separate story; Hazbin Hotel.

But that doesn't stop there. Because Hazbin Hotel essentially led to the spinoff of Helluva Boss, which started out as a work comedy before quickly going into gay drama, and then added more gay drama that derailed the previous main gay drama story. And Hazbin Hotel started out as a story for redeeming Sinners to quell the overpopulation of Hell, but immediately decided to turn its focus on the fight between Heaven and Hell because no one in that supposed universe knows what gets a soul into Heaven or Hell. And from what we got from the show itself and the leaks, it appears that Lilith (or Eve) will be the big bad for the entire series, so will have to get into even more pointless plot lines that won't have any satisfying conclusions. And let's not forget, Viv also said that she wants to make spinoff shows for both Fizzaroli and Ozzie, and another for the Vees.

My God, Viv, can you stop adding unnecessary shit to work that doesn't need it? You went to art school for fuck sake's. Did you forget the one rule that is told to you in every single class? KISS (Keep. It. Simple. Stupid.) You obviously didn't follow that rule with your art, and you certainly aren't following it with your writing. Being complex doesn't make your art any better; most of the time it just makes it more trash.

 

[Cyber Bowling]

That video of Brandon's characters really does look like a HazbinHelluva cosplay show. Jesus. I increasingly can't help but think that Vivz just copied him.

IIRC, there was some previous drama with Viv back in her webcomic days where she "bought" a character (possibly more than one, I can't really remember) from her friend, and then said friend got upset over it. It was really nothing more than Deviant Art OC drama, but I only bring it up because it was an example of Viv lifting ideas from the people/groups around her. I wouldn't go so far as to say she has no original ideas, but I think she's very influenced by the friends/groups she follows, which is part of why she has a hard time focusing on one particular element and sticking the landing.

 

[Resident Knievel]

hasbeen sloptel

 

[doodoocaca]

She says she has ADHD, and I can't argue with that.

I really think this is also unironic autism.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

IIRC, there was some previous drama with Viv back in her webcomic days where she "bought" a character (possibly more than one, I can't really remember) from her friend, and then said friend got upset over it. It was really nothing more than Deviant Art OC drama, but I only bring it up because it was an example of Viv lifting ideas from the people/groups around her. I wouldn't go so far as to say she has no original ideas, but I think she's very influenced by the friends/groups she follows, which is part of why she has a hard time focusing on one particular element and sticking the landing.

Yep, it was DollCreep whom she bought the characters from.

Spoiler: Viv History 101 - Class is now in session

The two characters she bought were Afkinz (the ginger, crazy eyed one) and Gunter (the snake dude holding a dinosaur head).

Afkinz was male and, say it with me people, was in a gay relationship with somebody.

After Vivienne bought him, she....trooned him out, for lack of a better term.

Yes, this is supposed to be the exact same character. The only difference is that she's biologically female now, and she's cleaned up a bit.

Now, the other character, Gunther. Was he also gay? If you said "no" to that question.....



....you haven't been paying attention in class. F-.

Viv changed his name to Gustav and Viv-ified the fuck out of his design....

but aside from that, his character stayed pretty much the same.

You got all of that? I hope you did, because there'll be a quiz later. Next class will focus on how Cameron, the supposed main character of the comic, clearly got much less thought put into her than the gay relationships (/sneed).

For completeness' sake, what they originally looked like under DollCreep:

 

[Seafarer]

but I only bring it up because it was an example of Viv lifting ideas from the people/groups around her. I wouldn't go so far as to say she has no original ideas, but I think she's very influenced by the friends/groups she follows, which is part of why she has a hard time focusing on one particular element and sticking the landing.

I’m probably looking too deep into this but isn’t there some mental disorder (it might be BPD) where the sufferer essentially has no ‘self’ and sort of molds themself like a chameleon around the people they have relationships with? I wouldn’t be surprised if Viv has that.

Yep, it was DollCreep whom she bought the characters from.

Isn’t that blonde twink guy the one Viv made porn of where he gets fucked by snakes or something?

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Isn’t that blonde twink guy the one Viv made porn of where he gets fucked by snakes or something?

Indeed, the very same. Addison is his name. She also strangely had a bondage fetish with him?

Spoiler: Seriously, half of her drawings of this dude is him in bondage

Hell, she did an entire comic based on it. It honestly kinda freaks me out, looking back.