Highguard - Concord 2.0?

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moocow said:
Secure Boot was literally developed by Microsoft, Intel and AMD via the UEFI Forum (and preceding that, the Intel Boot Initiative), you disingenuous faggot. One of its first major goals was to make it harder for Linux to boot on "secure" hardware and it was broadly criticized for that from the outset.
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Source: Literally made the fuck up. Linux was already a mission-critical platform for countless enterprises, and the demand for increased platform security was high. Intel has been a top sponsor of Linux for a very long time, and AMD's been on the bandwagon since forever as well. Neither of them had or will ever have any interest in destroying Linux. Secure Boot doesn't intrinsically require Microsoft keys and never has, which is why IBM and Apple adopted the technology, and why all the Linux distros that matter (the ones based on Red Hat and SuSE) adopted it. Consumer prebuilts ship with Microsoft keys because consumers want Windows, and manufacturers don't really care about autistic weirdos who want to install Arch and run pirated copies of Dungeon Siege II and Soulbringer.

The basic problem with this discourse is you think billion-dollar companies are obsessed with the 1.5% of the consumer market that runs hobbyist operating systems that can't even get HDR working correctly, and are pouring countless man-hours and dollars into useless technologies solely because they hate you that much. So any time a decision inconveniences you, you see a conspiracy. "Intel is literally changing its chip architecture to make my life slightly more annoying, because they're obsessed with me!"

No. They just don't care what is and isn't convenient for you, because you don't make anyone any money.
 
The Ugly One said:
Source: Literally made the fuck up. Linux was already a mission-critical platform for countless enterprises, and the demand for increased platform security was high. Intel has been a top sponsor of Linux for a very long time, and AMD's been on the bandwagon since forever as well. Neither of them had or will ever have any interest in destroying Linux. Secure Boot doesn't intrinsically require Microsoft keys and never has, which is why IBM and Apple adopted the technology, and why all the Linux distros that matter (the ones based on Red Hat and SuSE) adopted it. Consumer prebuilts ship with Microsoft keys because consumers want Windows, and manufacturers don't really care about autistic weirdos who want to install Arch and run pirated copies of Dungeon Siege II and Soulbringer.

The basic problem with this discourse is you think billion-dollar companies are obsessed with the 1.5% of the consumer market that runs hobbyist operating systems that can't even get HDR working correctly, and are pouring countless man-hours and dollars into useless technologies solely because they hate you that much. So any time a decision inconveniences you, you see a conspiracy. "Intel is literally changing its chip architecture to make my life slightly more annoying, because they're obsessed with me!"

No. They just don't care what is and isn't convenient for you, because you don't make anyone any money.
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trvth nvke

the industry does care a lot about linux - but only in the context of the gorillions of commercial webservers that are using linux.
desktop linux on the other hand is irrelevant, it's not on anybodys radar.
 
I don't think there's a single one of these live service multiplayer slop games that would even remotely make me consider installing kernel level anticheat on my rig.
 
Jace on ice said:
I don't think there's a single one of these live service multiplayer slop games that would even remotely make me consider installing kernel level anticheat on my rig.
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What if we were to make Guntgaurd, a live service multiplayer third person tower defense Hero shooter where you have to prevent the E-th-an device from being assaulted by Cheese Loving Alien Dogs?
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
What if we were to make Guntgaurd, a live service multiplayer third person tower defense Hero shooter where you have to prevent the E-th-an device from being assaulted by Cheese Loving Alien Dogs?
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Such a thing is alas too based to exist in such a cruel world.

Steam would ban it for unspecified TOS violations they'd have to sell it on DLsite or something.
 
DumbDude43 said:
trvth nvke

the industry does care a lot about linux - but only in the context of the gorillions of commercial webservers that are using linux.
desktop linux on the other hand is irrelevant, it's not on anybodys radar.
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Desktop Linux is in a less relevant state now than it was 25 years ago when it was ready to become a mainstream desktop OS "any day now".

You're also missing all of the various appliances at everything from the IoT bullshit device level at home, to enterprise shit like WAPs, storage, etc. most of which has a web interface but not all of it. But even then Microsoft has been investing in linux for damn near 20 years at this point in a variety of ways... because it turns out the $120 that a license for windows 11 home costs is damn near irrelevant when they make 75% of their money in the enterprise market(mostly cloud shit).

As of Microsoft's 2025 annual report, Windows(combined with devices) makes up less than 7% of the revenue and is behind fucking linkedin of all things.
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So not even Microsoft has a huge reason at this point to be focused on Windows like it's still 2005 because it's not where the money is and that's before factoring in how fewer actual desktops and laptops are getting bought by consumers when shit like an ipad can handle most of what the average person actually does online(browse websites, read email, watch videos).

edit: While we're not quite at windows(combined with devices) being at the level of a rounding error yet, being a single digit percentage of their revenue in a combined category is getting there. Especially since those "Dynamics products and cloud services" and "Enterprise and partner services" are likely to be categories where Microsoft sees more potential for growth.
 
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moocow said:
Also, fuck you HP. Quit crippling good hardware with this Microsoft-spoonfed bullshit.
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This is only going to happen more and more. The average normie won't know how to disable secureboot and wipe a PC so they can have a clean install of Linux or debloated windows 11 if they still stubbornly want to stick to windows(me).

Microsoft is probably going to be like apple very soon. Walled garden. You can only install apps or applets that are approved by them through their store. And you won't be able to do shit about it if you buy their hardware. What most people are doing are likely only a band-aid fix until M$ figures out how to make it so any hardware you buy will have windows forcibly installed onto it and you can't get rid of it without bricking your bios.

Nevermind the fact they got sued because they just had internet explorer installed as a default browser and couldn't be removed. This was in the late 90s. Imagine how much worse they could make it if they truly wanted to. And they do.
 
I love how this has just turned into a debate thread of Secure Boot because no one fucking cares about Highguard. :story:
Mod. Let it ride.
 
moocow said:
Heh yeah, this industry gets a lot of that.

God I can't wait for that launch. It's going to be just as funny as this one was.
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I can see Marathon having a longer staying power simply because Bungo theoretically can just copy Destiny's homework for the gunplay and it'd be fun because of it. (And if you go by the Marathon thread, Bungo did exactly that.)
 
Marathon has the Bungie bump (for whatever that's still worth) but also a paywall Highguard didn't, so I think a lot hinges on the free beta starting this weekend. If it's just Destiny but an (ugly) extraction shooter that might go down well.
 
regalterry said:
Honestly can't wait, these trainwrecks keep coming at such a steady pace that the dopamine high just keeps going as I enjoy the schadenfreude of seeing the gaming industry further collapse under the weight of their own gay race communist hubris.
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2016 really is front-loading the failures for us, isn't it? It's a nice treat. 2025 was a bit dry (apart from the delight that was Concord).
 
moocow said:
2016 really is front-loading the failures for us, isn't it? It's a nice treat. 2025 was a bit dry (apart from the delight that was Concord).
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Pretty sure you mean 2026, and Concord failed in 2024. 2025 had Mindseye, Avowed, AC Shadows, Bloodlines 2, Firebreak, the Black Ops 7 "campaign" mess, and probably a couple more I'm forgetting. Even Concord wasn't alone in 2024 with SW Outlaws, Suicide Squad, Skull and Bones, Veilguard...
 
Kane Lives said:
I can see Marathon having a longer staying power simply because Bungo theoretically can just copy Destiny's homework for the gunplay and it'd be fun because of it. (And if you go by the Marathon thread, Bungo did exactly that.)
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Exactly. Bungie has considerably more “from the creators of….” Marketing power because for some reason, the consooomers haven’t figured out that the studio is an empty shell. A shambling corpse coasting off a reputation it earned decades ago while the old talent that made their games great is long gone. The studio is nothing more than a bureaucratic corporate puppet like almost all other AAA studios.
 
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