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No, and tbh having watched a trailer, motivated by your comment, I don't think it really was marketed that way. It's Misery meets Castaway, but make it a dark comedy. As I was watching the movie I realized they could not have made this with reversed genders.
This inspired me to read actual spoilers for the movie. If I had gone to see this in the theater, I would have been fucking livid. Maybe that was Raimi's goal? I won't post anything, but I do suggest if you are the type who is upset by "girls rule/guys drool" plots, you should probably at least rethink seeing it.
 
This inspired me to read actual spoilers for the movie. If I had gone to see this in the theater, I would have been fucking livid. Maybe that was Raimi's goal? I won't post anything, but I do suggest if you are the type who is upset by "girls rule/guys drool" plots, you should probably at least rethink seeing it.
I am curious to know your opinion on the girls rule/guys drool messaging of Misery.
 
Saw Sinners: can someone explain to me what I'm missing? It was boring as fuck and then the vampire horror action was so muddy and rushed and incomprehensible I thought someone was playing a trick on me. How the fuck did this get so much love? It's mediocre at best. Is it really that easy to trick fags into throwing accolades at your movie if you make a totally average mash-up of genre flicks but slap old-timey negros into it?

I think the only scene I enjoyed was when they did the lord of the danse macabre because at least that felt unique in what was up to that point a Grade A snoozefest. That and SAMMMMMY! Just ridiculous. Also the tacked on ending where Mike shoots up the KKK... I thought I was going to die of cringe. Totally unearned.

How the fuck do you ripoff from Dusk Till Dawn so obviously yet manage to make something so dull and unfun?
 
Saw Sinners: can someone explain to me what I'm missing? It was boring as fuck and then the vampire horror action was so muddy and rushed and incomprehensible I thought someone was playing a trick on me. How the fuck did this get so much love? It's mediocre at best. Is it really that easy to trick fags into throwing accolades at your movie if you make a totally average mash-up of genre flicks but slap old-timey negros into it?

I think the only scene I enjoyed was when they did the lord of the danse macabre because at least that felt unique in what was up to that point a Grade A snoozefest. That and SAMMMMMY! Just ridiculous. Also the tacked on ending where Mike shoots up the KKK... I thought I was going to die of cringe. Totally unearned.

How the fuck do you ripoff from Dusk Till Dawn so obviously yet manage to make something so dull and unfun?
Sinners is such a mess of a movie and half of it is a boring slog to get to the vampires, which then suck. It only received the praise it did because it's about blacks in the South. I do remember liking the cinematography but that's all the positives I can think of.
 
Sinners is such a mess of a movie and half of it is a boring slog to get to the vampires, which then suck. It only received the praise it did because it's about blacks in the South. I do remember liking the cinematography but that's all the positives I can think of.
even that is half-assed
like the bird that flies by near the start and NEVER COMES UP AGAIN
if that was supposed to be something it needed to be a thing
if that was an accident retake the shot without the fucking bird
 
even that is half-assed
like the bird that flies by near the start and NEVER COMES UP AGAIN
if that was supposed to be something it needed to be a thing
if that was an accident retake the shot without the fucking bird
I'm gonna be honest I don't remember any bird but your anger about it made me laugh
 
I kinda liked that one, nice low-key dad thriller style with some supernatural plastered over it.
See, I expected that the supernatural shit was all a hallucination from her husband drugging her.

Or at least they should have left some of it ambiguous.

First hour: Really good. Good atmosphere, good building of suspense, good seeding in of different clues.

Second hour: Meh. And I thought the first part of the ending where she's in the tub was genuinely freaky while everything that happened after that was anticlimactic.
 
See, I expected that the supernatural shit was all a hallucination from her husband drugging her.

Or at least they should have left some of it ambiguous.

First hour: Really good. Good atmosphere, good building of suspense, good seeding in of different clues.

Second hour: Meh. And I thought the first part of the ending where she's in the tub was genuinely freaky while everything that happened after that was anticlimactic.

I think I interpreted it through established disingenuous storytelling devices of thrillers like Presumed Innocent, where you're led to believe one thing to the point that a twist at the end can never fully satisfy due to the weight of "no, the story is totally going in this direction, look at all this evidence for that reading of it". I suspect I wasn't taking the film seriously and just enjoying the atmosphere. I assume they were trying to have their cake and eat it, with the did-he-or-didn't-he dynamic while trying to find a surprising way to wrap it up. That type of slack storytelling is very late 90s/early 00s and definitely requires just vibing through it (eg. Gothika, for a worse example).

You're right that some of it was scary as shit for the time, definitely up there with Ringu for the sustained tension in that scene.

If anybody is interested in it, I'd definitely recommend since that "normal crime thriller with supernatural bolted on" subgenre is a treasure of 90s American cinema.
 
I saw the cam rip of Return to silent hill last night after my local cinema dropped it from the line up. It was listed to show twice yesterday and then gone when I went to book tickets.

I understand why. It is without a doubt the worst game adaption of any movie ever. Street fighter 2 and the Mario movie are no longer the worst adaptions. This movie has some great visuals in the early part of the film but it misses every single point of the story. It includes things from the game just because they're in the game and then they vanish. They make James an extremely unlikable weed smoking alcoholic boy racer.. and that's the most accurate portrayal of any SH2 character.

I am not a big SH fan. I've played the games, I enjoyed the originals and hated the remake of 2. I found it boring and ham fisted. The remake looks better in light of this movie. I highly recommend you watch it for free as rage bait. The ending will have you burst out laughing because it's the biggest possible fumble and spit in the eye possible. There's moments before that which will make you laugh and go WTF were they thinking. But the "twist" is so fucking bad and fucks the story up so hard it's unbelievable. Revelations now looks better because it's not Return. Ascension looks better because it's not Return.

I don't understand how you fuck up this hard. It's not a difficult story to adapt.

Excuse the double post, here is the full Return to Silent Hill spoilers and my insane rantings.


The movie starts with James racing around in a modern sports car. He is drinking and smoking weed. He almost has a car crash and ends up meeting Mary, who is fleeing Silent Hill. He causes her to miss her bus and then they have a relationship. Her letter tells James to go to "their place".

James is now in Silent hill where a BLACK QUEEN shrink says he's having difficulty dealing with his dead GIRLFRIEND and needs to get a grip on his alcoholism.

James wanders into Silent Hill where he meets Angela. She has her face painted white and black circles around her eyes. They both put up sand bags to stop the lake water.

James meets a homeless man and a radio starts playing classical music. Monsters kill the man and james takes the radio, which starts to screech. Little monsters appear and James goes to the Apartment.

The apartment is where James and Mary lived. They lived together and the Silent Hill cult was run by Mary's father who kept coming round with 20 friends to do weird shit with Mary.

James meets Eddie. He looks like Jack Black and is vomiting. They find Laura and Eddie punches James in the head and disappears from the movie. Laura hides in a cupboard while Pyramid tries to get James. James ends up meeting a spider monster and hides in the cupboard for the rape scene. But the rape is now just pyramid head punching the spider monster in the belly a few times.

James wakes up when Pyramid head is face to face with him. He's in a hospital strapped to a bed when the BLACK QUEEN is saying he's losing his grip on reality and none of it is real. He imagines himself back in silent hill again and meets Maria. She is a bit stand offish but none of the jealousy of the original. She is frankly the right choice to make here. They go to the hospital and Maria ends up being stabbed in the belly by a swarm of nurses. James puts her on a bed and leaves here to.. bleed out? He searches the hospital for Mary some more but they've already found out she's ill and dying from.. something.

At some point James ends up in a stone wall maze where all the walls look the same. He gets sick of Maria following him so he. SUMMONS PYRAMID HEAD. Who appears behind Maria and stabs her through the chest. James literally kills Maria by summoning Pyramid head like he's a pokemon.

James back story is revealed where he dumped Mary. After six months Mary's dad poisoned her and she was about to die. She asks James to cover her mouth and help her die. It's assisted suicide, not questionable at all. She wants it and asks for it.

Laura is actually a monster. She has a monster teddy bear and is aggressive towards James. She is an active problem and not just a silly kid.

James ends up at the Hotel which is on fire and is never changed. There is no Mary's letter to finish the story. It's just CGI fire and a big Daddy scene. Where Angela is absorbed into a bed and then the bed explodes into flames and is gone.

James ends up going to a bed with a body in it. The big finale is coming and it's Mary as a moth (there's a moth theme throughout the movie). She shoves her hand down James throat and his eyes roll back into his head. The final story element is revealed.

Mary's full name is Mary, Angela, Laura Carry (maybe wrong on Carry, I forgot the surname, it is not Sutherland as they didn't marry). All of the female characters except Maria, are Mary. They are all versions of his girlfriend (not wife). This is so fucking stupid it made me laugh.

James takes the body and puts it in the front seat of his car. He drives into the lake and drowns with Mary next to him. Saying he would rather be dead than live without her.

Movies not over yet! James has traveled back in time to when he first met Mary and she missed her bus. He meets her for the first time again with his full Silent hill 2 knowledge. They drive off together and in the background you see silent hill blow up with a mystical event which likely starts the other world stuff.

James is also a painter. It's not relevant to the story but he is.

So James is unlikable. Mary isn't his wife. Eddie appears for 1 scene and disappears. Angela is just Mary's rape history. Laura is just.. Mary pretending to be a child? Maria is actually a woman and James should have left with her. Mary's father is the cult leader and started the other world bullshit. And a black woman is very loud and important so white man better listen or else.

It was laugh out loud bad. I probably have some of the events out of order but does it matter? James can summon Pyramid head. You can see inside the helmet and he has James' face. They drop references like James sitting in the chair you find the tape in and even show a box of tapes. None of the references mean anything. Everything has a new context and none of it makes any sense. As a stand alone movie there is nothing here to enjoy. You can't understand what is going on without game knowledge. Eddie just punches James and never appears again. Why does Eddie exist? Because he's in the game. But he has no story, no purpose. He's just a remember berry. But if you do know the game, remake or original nothing in this makes any sense because it's all wrong. The visuals match the remake pretty closely and some of the scenes use the same game camera angles and locations. But everything else is an unwatchable mess. James isn't some average man in a desperate situation. He's a playboy artist who you have no reason to like. Even the lying figures now vomit from their chest instead of their mouth. The new monsters are interesting but barely appear. The old ones have nothing to work with or are pokemon now. Even the iconic siren noise is put in a new context where they play news reports about an incoming foreign attack. It doesn't match the original 2 movies or the games.

I do not understand how this movie exists. When you watch the 90's Mario movie you get the same feeling. It's called Silent Hill, it has the Silent hill names on it but it's remixed in such a way you cannot see any of the original story. It's such a weird decision.
 
Although I still found it boring, upon further reflection I can acquiesce that it is an interesting premise for a movie. I would have preferred a more... creative adaptation, rather than what is basically gameplay portrayed in film.
I actually think the opposite. When you have a video game adaptation like this, you either lean completely your own way or you lean very hard into the gameplay. He should've leaned harder into the game since he didn't have the budget to really do his own thing. It could've been scarier. He's just using black and white static images which are very easy to make. If he does another movie, he should hire an editor.

This inspired me to read actual spoilers for the movie. If I had gone to see this in the theater, I would have been fucking livid. Maybe that was Raimi's goal?
Do you guys not remember Drag Me To Hell? It's Sam Raimi. He does not give a shit. His one goal and his only goal, is to entertain and hyuck it up every chance he gets. He will happily do anything to troll if he thinks it's funny. The movies don't matter, just entertain.

How the fuck do you ripoff from Dusk Till Dawn so obviously yet manage to make something so dull and unfun?
Oh I can tell you why you hated it. You didn't see it theaters. What made Sinners great was the cinematography. It's an absolutely beautiful movie, and if you look back through this thread I say several times that once it's off the big screen, it would lose something. You just confirmed that's the case. It ain't a small screen movie. You either saw it in theaters and could see past its flaws and loved it, or you saw it on a small screen and thought it was goofy as all hell.
 
He should've leaned harder into the game since he didn't have the budget to really do his own thing.
Isn't the gameplay just clicking around, looking at the map to navigate and take pictures? Deal with the occasional fire? All of that is represented in the movie.
 
Isn't the gameplay just clicking around, looking at the map to navigate and take pictures? Deal with the occasional fire? All of that is represented in the movie.
The world outside in the blood ocean is a bit more lively in the game. There's more weird stuff down there than just that one monster.
 
You either saw it in theaters and could see past its flaws and loved it, or you saw it on a small screen and thought it was goofy as all hell.
The cinematography and lighting was the only good thing about it! I don't disagree it probably would have popped nicely on the silver screen but if I wanted to just see pretty pictures I'd go to an art gallery. I just cannot understand why people are saying they loved it so much when I think that everything aside from the mise-en-scene was really not impressive in the least.
 
I just cannot understand why people are saying they loved it so much when I think that everything aside from the mise-en-scene was really not impressive in the least.
Again, for some movies the experience really just is THAT different. There's something about the big screen, surround sound that make things seem more epic than they ever could in a home viewing. Sinners just happens to be an excellent example of this phenomenon.
 
Seeing it in a theater isn't going to make the plot be not retarded or the characters be actual characters or have any charisma.

If the narrative is stupid and un- of dis-engaging, no amount of pretty scenery or effects can save it.

It's the Avatar test. I'd rather just drop acid and watch Teletubbies. It's cheaper and more wholesome.
 
I think I interpreted it through established disingenuous storytelling devices of thrillers like Presumed Innocent, where you're led to believe one thing to the point that a twist at the end can never fully satisfy due to the weight of "no, the story is totally going in this direction, look at all this evidence for that reading of it". I suspect I wasn't taking the film seriously and just enjoying the atmosphere. I assume they were trying to have their cake and eat it, with the did-he-or-didn't-he dynamic while trying to find a surprising way to wrap it up. That type of slack storytelling is very late 90s/early 00s and definitely requires just vibing through it (eg. Gothika, for a worse example).
I saw Presumed Innocent again a couple months ago and it was SO GOOD, like I remembered it being good but I didn't remember it being GREAT. Holds up so well.

And at one point last night I said to my SO, "You want to turn this off and watch that again instead?"

There was a moment in WLB where I thought it was going to be like Sixth Sense or The Others, which were around the same time. To the point where I almost wonder if that was part of the original plot idea and then Z was like "Oops, this is going to be one of three movies with this premise in three years."

The original Gaslight and the movie Rebecca (which is annoyingly not available to stream) seemed like obvious inspirations.

I think the most annoying part about WLB was that they set up the neighbors to be a major plot point and then they just vanished.

It was disappointingly mid.
 
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