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[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

I would of never guessed that to be honest. You post like a boomer lol.

Lol. That makes sense though. Over the past decade, I've really stopped caring about staying in-vogue with current styles and fashions that a lot of people my age and younger enjoy. I just don't think a lot of modern culture is that good outside of science technology and math and the past has a lot richer and generally spiritually and mentally satisfying media to not only consume but to inspire new creations and just generally shows off the human condition in a way that's more appealing. Kinda cheesy, but it's something where you feel the ersatz nature of a lot music, art, video games and media in general and see how it affects people to imitate that poor, low quality and just fake aura. I'd rather sound old than sound dead.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Lol. That makes sense though. Over the past decade, I've really stopped caring about staying in-vogue with current styles and fashions that a lot of people my age and younger enjoy. I just don't think a lot of modern culture is that good outside of science technology and math and the past has a lot richer and generally spiritually and mentally satisfying media to not only consume but to inspire new creations and just generally shows off the human condition in a way that's more appealing. Kinda cheesy, but it's something where you feel the ersatz nature of a lot music, art, video games and media in general and see how it affects people to imitate that poor, low quality and just fake aura. I'd rather sound old than sound dead.

It's not cheesy at all, it's the 100% goddamn truth. As yourself how recent ago the Last Great American Novel was. What do you think it was? It wasn't during your lifetime, that's for sure. There's not even a Hunter S. Thompson anymore. We are in peak Kali Yuga.

 

[AnOminous]

That's how i understood it. And we got a huge wild boar problem to boot, i see them even in the city in the more green areas.

That's insane. In Texas they'll fly over them with helicopters and take out feral hogs with full-auto weapons. In fact you're allowed to kill them at any time in any place and by any means (obviously with some limitations for clearly unreasonable and dangerous ways that present a hazard to others).

 

[dick brain]

We are in peak Kali Yuga.

I agree only in the sense that in the Kali Yuga time is said to speed up.

I don't think there's any less "good" culture than there was in the past, probably more just by the virtue of there being a literal order of magnitude more people alive today than just a couple hundred years ago, all of whom are generating culture of some sort. It's just that the "good" culture is harder to find because there's more "bad" to drown it out, faster. There are more people making more stuff, faster, so we have more to contend with, and shorter attention spans because of it, so the half-life of ideas is shortened in general, and the "good" things pass us by if we let them.

Not to mention survivorship bias; most old timers won't acknowledge it but the smart ones will tell you that the things we value today from bygone eras were themselves steeped in garbage, it's just that the garbage fades out of salience, and the things we remember are the things worth remembering.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

That's insane. In Texas they'll fly over them with helicopters and take out feral hogs with full-auto weapons. In fact you're allowed to kill them at any time in any place and by any means (obviously with some limitations for clearly unreasonable and dangerous ways that present a hazard to others).

I remember when there was some guy (using ButtFeed as a source due to its bias) that talked about needing an AR-15 in case of a stampede of wild hogs, and the usual people went nuts with laughter. They've never seen wild hog in the inner city, so obviously, the guy was a nut!

I agree only in the sense that in the Kali Yuga time is said to speed up.

I don't think there's any less "good" culture than there was in the past, probably more just by the virtue of there being a literal order of magnitude more people alive today than just a couple hundred years ago, all of whom are generating culture of some sort. It's just that the "good" culture is harder to find because there's more "bad" to drown it out, faster. There are more people making more stuff, faster, so we have more to contend with, and shorter attention spans because of it, so the half-life of ideas is shortened in general, and the "good" things pass us by if we let them.

Not to mention survivorship bias; most old timers won't acknowledge it but the smart ones will tell you that the things we value today from bygone eras were themselves steeped in garbage, it's just that the garbage fades out of salience, and the things we remember are the things worth remembering.

I've heard this before but the fact is, I can name countless bands in the 80s that are fantastic, 70s, 60s as well, and even the oldies has a lot of great stuff to listen to. I challenge you to find even close to that good of stuff in the past 20 years. I have a few bands in mind, but there's not many of them. More objectively, you cannot even find certain kinds of albums anymore, rock operas/concept albums now mostly exist within the metal and prog rock genres and whoever The Residents are now. It's definitely not the same and it's not just survivorship bias. Just look at what kind of shows go touring and what's playing--it does not look the same as the past. I'm lucky enough to just have seen Clan of Xymox and The Who in recent years.

 

[dick brain]

I've heard this before but the fact is, I can name countless bands in the 80s that are fantastic, 70s, 60s as well, and even the oldies has a lot of great stuff to listen to. I challenge you to find even close to that good of stuff in the past 20 years.

Unfalsifiable. Suffice to say I disagree.

More objectively, you cannot even find certain kinds of albums anymore, rock operas/concept albums now mostly exist within the metal and prog rock genres and whoever The Residents are now. It's definitely not the same and it's not just survivorship bias.

The Hazards Of Love, The Protomen, many Mountain Goats albums all come to mind just off the top of my head.

 

[eatler]

rock operas/concept albums

Well with those I think that people who are passionate about that don’t have the money to fund that. The main reason they got that money in the first place is because CEOs would sign record deals with kids who looked like they got with the times, now a days the times are “your somewhat brown, work for my company as a diversity hire!” If you attempted to make these albums in the 10s-20s you would have a very cheap sounding album due to having to use electronics. there’s also plenty of alike bands i don’t know if you look at the “what are you listening now page” but people do post some good things.

The Hazards Of Love, The Protomen, many Mountain Goats albums all come to mind just off the top of my head.

I was just about to mention these guys. I think kail yaga should start a page in the music section asking for music suggestions. It would be fun, you never know what people would recommend.

Just be sure to leave examples of what you like.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Unfalsifiable. Suffice to say I disagree.

The Hazards Of Love, The Protomen, many Mountain Goats albums all come to mind just off the top of my head.

The Mountains Goats are pretty good, everyone knows that, I'd take recommendations as long as it's not faggy punk rock or sounds like Imagine Dragons. I have to disagree there is as much stuff as from the 80s though. I keep plumbing the depths of that decade and keep finding gold. You seem to like folk rock, and that's been in an okay place too, Amigo the Devil and Harley Poe are two other bands you may be into.

Well with those I think that people who are passionate about that don’t have the money to fund that. The main reason they got that money in the first place is because CEOs would sign record deals with kids who looked like they got with the times, now a days the times are “your somewhat brown, work for my company as a diversity hire!” If you attempted to make these albums in the 10s-20s you would have a very cheap sounding album due to having to use electronics. there’s also plenty of alike bands i don’t know if you look at the “what are you listening now page” but people do post some good things.

I was just about to mention these guys. I think kail yaga should start a page in the music section asking for music suggestions. It would be fun, you never know what people would recommend.

I'll do that later, I don't want to derail this anymore with my music talk. Thanks!

 

[dick brain]

I don't want to derail this anymore with my music talk.

I'll do it.

Well with those I think that people who are passionate about that don’t have the money to fund that. The main reason they got that money in the first place is because CEOs would sign record deals with kids who looked like they got with the times

It's so much worse than this. Basically, in the 70s and 80s, the revenue split looked like this: the profits come in, the label takes their cut, then from the remainder the accrued expenses of producing the album get recouped, THEN if there's anything left it goes to the actual artist. Quickly the music industry realized that they could basically pay/bribe their colleagues by driving up the cost of production as much as possible with bombastic bullshit, at the expense of the artists. That's the real reason the 70s and 80s are viewed as the hayday of rock and roll: 1. record companies were willing to dump infinite money into a production because they knew they wouldn't be the ones paying for it, and 2. the consequence of that system means many artists are still pushing their old shit from that era just to recoup those expenses.

Steve Albini does a great rundown of it but I couldn't tell you where. He's always worth listening to anyway.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

I'll do it.


It's so much worse than this. Basically, in the 70s and 80s, the revenue split looked like this: the profits come in, the label takes their cut, then from the remainder the accrued expenses of producing the album get recouped, THEN if there's anything left it goes to the actual artist. Quickly the music industry realized that they could basically pay/bribe their colleagues by driving up the cost of production as much as possible with bombastic bullshit, at the expense of the artists. That's the real reason the 70s and 80s are viewed as the hayday of rock and roll: 1. record companies were willing to dump infinite money into a production because they knew they wouldn't be the ones paying for it, and 2. the consequence of that system means many artists are still pushing their old shit from that era just to recoup those expenses.

Steve Albini does a great rundown of it but I couldn't tell you where. He's always worth listening to anyway.

But you also had labels like Some Bizarre, Wax Trax, etc.

 

[AnOminous]

I was just about to mention these guys. I think kail yaga should start a page in the music section asking for music suggestions. It would be fun, you never know what people would recommend.

A "current music that doesn't completely suck" thread would make sense. There might already be one, I haven't added one of those threads to watched for a while though.

Steve Albini does a great rundown of it but I couldn't tell you where. He's always worth listening to anyway.

And so far as I know, he wasn't one of those evil fuckers who fucked artists in that way. Even if he did go full TDS gibberer. He still did some great tunes and produced some great albums more or less ethically.

The Hazards Of Love, The Protomen, many Mountain Goats albums all come to mind just off the top of my head.

Surfjam Stevens. Illinois is a classic.

 

[Yamamura]

Work is stressing me out due to management and understaffing. I'm starting to unironically yearn for my unemployed days where I could go for long walks every day, just read in a park for hours ect.

I feel your situation entirely. Some days I fantasize about going back, but then I realize I was also looking for a change in my life back then after the walks got old and I pretty much ran out of things to think deeply about on my walks. I've come to the conclusion that any job that feels fulfilling, probably isn't going to pay very well.

Good is I never used to have any money and I checked my checking account and saw 100k in there so that's fucking cool. I have no idea what to do with it though. I'm a minimalist who has cheap hobbies and doesn't give a fuck about clothes, cars, status symbols.

Same here, I never really had much of a desire for wealth. It sounds cliché, but it's because I felt like I already had everything I needed. When I started working saving money came relatively easy because of that. Then I realized money is about what it enables you to do. In a way buying status symbols are spending money on the behalf of other people to conform to their expectations of what they think you should be.

 

[eatler]

A "current music that doesn't completely suck" thread would make sense. There might already be one, I haven't added one of those threads to watched for a while though.

I think the closest we got is “what are you listening to right now” but nothing like that. Half of the issue is I think music is so wildly subjective that it would have to be done on an individual basis instead of just a general thread for best results. We still have people among us who still enjoy speed up EDM like the weird anime ones (I forget the name of that genera right now). But I would be game to see what people think is good music past 2000.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

This is kind of weird. I know the Golden age of rock came and went but there's tons of current music to listen to and every decade has had its vibe since. Here's something I could recommend for something really recent. You might like it.

 

[Humbert Humbert]

A lot of things happened that in hindsight probably should not have happened between me and Lolita. Yes, the former Lolita. Every time we would try to end it, we’d get involved again. But this time it may be different or at least less painful, because at last I see it her way. It is unhealthy. I do not regret any of it for a second though. I do not know how to feel except that I am relieved.

 

[AnOminous]

I think the closest we got is “what are you listening to right now” but nothing like that.

But I sometimes listen to music that I know utterly sucks.

 

[The Feline Solution]

That's insane. In Texas they'll fly over them with helicopters and take out feral hogs with full-auto weapons. In fact you're allowed to kill them at any time in any place and by any means (obviously with some limitations for clearly unreasonable and dangerous ways that present a hazard to others).

You are allowed or rather obligated to do this here too if you got a hunting license. In highschool i was sleeping over at a friend's house once who lived in the outskirts of the city. We were smoking in his parents garden and saw his hunter next-door neighbour running out of the house, rifle/shotgun in hand, hearing a bang and after seeing basically the whole neighborhood coming out of their houses we also went out to check what happened.
Dude got one big mutha of a hog that came out of the woods on its lonesome. I learned that this is a regular occurence there, they knock over the trash cans to look for food.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

Been taking care of my grandma some more, she is recovering from her cataract surgery. Glad to see most people here are doing well, tho.

A remote job would be great, however.

 

[Digital Thunder]

Quoting from an entirely unrelated thread because it resonated with me:

You don't have to be on T to be poor, lonely, and lack direction (That was everyone's 20s, right, it wasn't just me?)

When does it fucking end?

Really not helping that I spent nearly a year being too perpetually ill to work just to learn it was severe adult-onset asthma the entire time. I could've been making money.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

Quoting from an entirely unrelated thread because it resonated with me:

When does it fucking end?

Really not helping that I spent nearly a year being too perpetually ill to work just to learn it was severe adult-onset asthma the entire time. I could've been making money.

It doesn't really. Even if you make it big you'll still have issues to deal with and the only option is to get stronger and be patient.