How our community handles death

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

I never actually met Mike. I had actually expressed a willingness to Julie- simply because I wanted to get a better gauge of the guy- But, nah. I have no real means of contact for her. I'm aware he's been here, however- and if he still has an account, and is following this topic, that he'll likely have gotten this conversation shuffled to his inbox. So, really, that's a win in and of itself.

And really, if the picture of Julie cutting herself was any indication, she never really had any compunction about being self destructive- and suicide is just a more severe form of that. *Shrugs* I wasn't even surprised, hence why I tried to alert people. It just made sense that this was what was coming next.

Yeah, Mike is a trip. Do you have anything to substantiate the whole "he gang raped her" thing? Where/how did you learn this took place? How did she react?
And yeah, she sent up a lot of warning flags, but I think the issue is that there were just zero people on earth who gave a fuck. The biggest surprise here was her chosen method of suicide. Hanging yourself with a belt is a slow, nasty way to go.
So, you said you had access to some of her last words? Any particular bits of interest, or just the usual "Can't go on, so sorry" shit?

 

[Effluence]

Yeah, Mike is a trip. Do you have anything to substantiate the whole "he gang raped her" thing? Where/how did you learn this took place? How did she react?
And yeah, she sent up a lot of warning flags, but I think the issue is that there were just zero people on earth who gave a fuck. The biggest surprise here was her chosen method of suicide. Hanging yourself with a belt is a slow, nasty way to go.
So, you said you had access to some of her last words? Any particular bits of interest, or just the usual "Can't go on, so sorry" shit?

Towards the dude above Boe, 'I get the same unreliable vibe from the gofundme'.

Towards Boe - I was basically Julie's confidant up until 2 days before her death. And, honestly, a lot of our talks and hang outs were just..her venting. So I got to hear a -lot- of fucked up shit. Apparently, her fetlife thing had mentioned a rape fantasy in her kinks- so.....in her first meeting with Mike, he basically just raped her with a friend. << And considering she outright described it as not fun, her not being wet, and it being painful to her ... 'But at least she was of some use to someone'. ...Yeah. She outright said it was rape and fucked up, and not what she had wanted. <<.
And there was a second incident. I got less details on that, just that it happened.

Her last words mostly just bordered on noone really caring, and a sort of existential despair that everything she had been building towards was falling apart. Nothing really atypical, honestly. She was just grievously depressed, and basically being treated like she was an object to serve others, and than being set adrift, did not do her any favours at all.

...And I sort of rejected her opening towards a one-off/potential latch-y rebound thing, because I figured that could go nowhere good. Especially since she had sort of been engaging in 'cray keylogging and destructive habits'. >> Hence, address risk factors, alert proper individuals- go make bacon, eggs, and tea. Wait to see if she dies, or is fine.

She died. I did my bit. It sucked, and I was mad, but honestly- I've outlived so many people, I'm not even salt. And frankly, her situation now, is less shitty than her being used as a 'devoted' vassal to Mike.

..You heard me, Mike. Better off dead than with you, Chummers :3

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

Towards the dude above Boe, 'I get the same unreliable vibe from the gofundme'.

Towards Boe - I was basically Julie's confidant up until 2 days before her death. And, honestly, a lot of our talks and hang outs were just..her venting. So I got to hear a -lot- of fucked up shit. Apparently, her fetlife thing had mentioned a rape fantasy in her kinks- so.....in her first meeting with Mike, he basically just raped her with a friend. << And considering she outright described it as not fun, her not being wet, and it being painful to her ... 'But at least she was of some use to someone'. ...Yeah. She outright said it was rape and fucked up, and not what she had wanted. <<.
And there was a second incident. I got less details on that, just that it happened.

Her last words mostly just bordered on noone really caring, and a sort of existential despair that everything she had been building towards was falling apart. Nothing really atypical, honestly. She was just grievously depressed, and basically being treated like she was an object to serve others, and than being set adrift, did not do her any favours at all.

...And I sort of rejected her opening towards a one-off/potential latch-y rebound thing, because I figured that could go nowhere good. Especially since she had sort of been engaging in 'cray keylogging and destructive habits'. >> Hence, address risk factors, alert proper individuals- go make bacon, eggs, and tea. Wait to see if she dies, or is fine.

She died. I did my bit. It sucked, and I was mad, but honestly- I've outlived so many people, I'm not even salt. And frankly, her situation now, is less shitty than her being used as a 'devoted' vassal to Mike.

..You heard me, Mike. Better off dead than with you, Chummers :3

Ehh, I can understand the sentiment. Her life was going nowhere fast, and she was constantly fucking miserable. Best thing for her, really. It was also probably wise of you to distance yourself from that shit. Who knows what she could have pulled you into.
How did you come to meet her, and do you ever recall a time where she wasn't.. ya know, Julie?

 

[Effluence]

I first met her approximately a year prior to her knowing Mike. We chatted online on a dating site (Where she -totally- lied about her age, btw, haha). I never met her until -after- she was with mike, however. I found her interesting due to the whole, does not necessarily mesh with the rest of society thing, and I've generally found eccentric people somewhat interesting to a degree. I like knowing what makes people tick. And people in general. So, she was neat to talk to.

We mostly just talked about games, though I'd occasionally dip into things concerning her drawings, and also address things like her self harming. It's not my jam, y'know?

When I initially talked to her, she wasn't quite as volatile, and seemed to have a much closer relationship with her family and father. (As I recall, he sort of punted her out of the house -due- to the relationships she was involved in, which in turn made her far more vulnerable to mikes depredations).

She always had that sort of odd entitled streak, though. And I think that had been partly reinforced by her family, at one point. It's the impression I got, anyways.

Like, if I actually had to place it- she was a spoiled daddys girl, until she went off the rails, became a black sheep, and they felt it necessary to cut ties.

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

I first met her approximately a year prior to her knowing Mike. We chatted online on a dating site (Where she -totally- lied about her age, btw, haha). I never met her until -after- she was with mike, however. I found her interesting due to the whole, does not necessarily mesh with the rest of society thing, and I've generally found eccentric people somewhat interesting to a degree. I like knowing what makes people tick. And people in general. So, she was neat to talk to.

We mostly just talked about games, though I'd occasionally dip into things concerning her drawings, and also address things like her self harming. It's not my jam, y'know?

When I initially talked to her, she wasn't quite as volatile, and seemed to have a much closer relationship with her family and father. (As I recall, he sort of punted her out of the house -due- to the relationships she was involved in, which in turn made her far more vulnerable to mikes depredations).

She always had that sort of odd entitled streak, though. And I think that had been partly reinforced by her family, at one point. It's the impression I got, anyways.

Like, if I actually had to place it- she was a spoiled daddys girl, until she went off the rails, became a black sheep, and they felt it necessary to cut ties.

That follows. What were the biggest changes you saw once Mike entered the picture?

 

[AA 102]

Besides depression, did Julie suffer from any other mental illnesses? Also do you know how her home life was growing up?

 

[Effluence]

Like, holy shit. Man. Just- Yandere levels of devotion. Man. Not quite Yuno Gasai, but. Just. Fuck. She basically talked and breathed him, and being useful to him, and it was...sort of distressing. Her like..whole purpose and drive was him.

Mind you -I- am a reclusive anti-social jackass. So, I had actually vanished from the picture for like long enough for her to meet the dirtbag before mike, and the start of her and Mike. I just played super long several page e-mail tag with her back and forth for many an evening when I came back, because I'm a meddler.

If my face claim, and my current antics hadn't tipped you off. Well, I don't know what would.

 

[Effluence]

My awareness of what her home life was like pre-mike is mentioned above. She seemed content, however. That doesn't necessarily have an impact on the depression, however, it seemed fairly pervasive. Otherwise, she definitely had indications of some social deficits, considering she just...lacked social tact, and certain mores. On one hand, it was refreshing to deal with someone who just, ...had no time for bullshit, Dr.Jones. On the other hand, it made her somewhat frustrating to deal with at times, especially with her lack of common sense, and forethought. I sort of had to carefully talk stuff out with her at times, and help her evaluate and bounce off current develops, and sort of..try and take in the whole picture. ...It was a lot of work, really.

My actual advice towards her whole introduction with this site was just to drop her internet presence, and not engage with you guys. But, well, she at least retained that degree of willfullness. #Rip.

You'd have to contact her family on a more indepth understanding of her mental illness, however. I would not have been surprised, however, for y'know, matters of potential OCD- The aspy bit and ADHD bit just seemed obvious.

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

Like, holy shit. Man. Just- Yandere levels of devotion. Man. Not quite Yuno Gasai, but. Just. Fuck. She basically talked and breathed him, and being useful to him, and it was...sort of distressing. Her like..whole purpose and drive was him.

Mind you -I- am a reclusive anti-social jackass. So, I had actually vanished from the picture for like long enough for her to meet the dirtbag before mike, and the start of her and Mike. I just played super long several page e-mail tag with her back and forth for many an evening when I came back, because I'm a meddler.

If my face claim, and my current antics hadn't tipped you off. Well, I don't know what would.

Jesus...
So how old was she when you first met, how old did she say she was, and what was the nature of your relationship at first?

 

[Effluence]

Our relationship was strictly online friends at first. There was awkward flirtings, and she liked me- but a lot of our conversations were centric around gaming, and just figuring each other out. And I was nowhere near motivated to actually like << go out and meet people, haha.

And she said she was like...18 or 19 And she was like, a year or two younger at the time? Honestly, didn't really register as all that important to me, in truth. I wasn't actively pursuing, and at first, she wasn't a giant mess of drama and turbulence that required like...'upkeep' I suppose.

 

[Effluence]

Any other questions, or does this effectively answer everything?

 

[AnOminous]

Yeah, Mike is a trip. Do you have anything to substantiate the whole "he gang raped her" thing? Where/how did you learn this took place? How did she react?
And yeah, she sent up a lot of warning flags, but I think the issue is that there were just zero people on earth who gave a fuck. The biggest surprise here was her chosen method of suicide. Hanging yourself with a belt is a slow, nasty way to go.

Not to get into too much off-topic suicide sperging, but it's actually pretty quick if done right. Obviously, most people don't have gallows in their homes so can't do the six foot drop method that snaps your spine, but so-called "soft" hanging works rather quickly if tight enough to cut off the blood flow to the brain. Unconsciousness occurs within seconds and death within minutes. It's a matter of applying weight properly to cut blood flow.

Slowly strangling is an entirely different matter, though, and that is painful and most people will back off that.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mike "helpfully" explained this as he seemed to have quite an interest in the subject.

 

[Effluence]

Her weight, in tandem with a tight belt loop, would have plausibly been enough to provide said tightness. And considering she was researching means to kill herself on and off for a while, i'd not be surprised if she figured the means to do it. But, really, that's neither here nor there. I find it unlikely the family would answer anyways macabre fixations in regards to this matter.

So, in the end, this is all simply conjecture.

 

[Melkor]

Insert overused Lolcow Deadpool joke here.

 

[RI 360]

@Effluence do you have any email chains between you two that you're willing to share here, specifically about Mike?

 

[Effluence]

You have to understand that her habit of 'Wall of Text' could apply to both texts, and also facebook messages, so I tended to clear these things out. And a lot of the more sensitive topics were things she had talked about in person, since she was aware that it was some pretty fucked up and damning stuff, and if I had decided to do some form of intervention, she would have been providing someone with the ammunition to do so.

She went to some rather great lengths to protect him, ironically.

 

[RI 360]

I possibly found Mike's backpage ad? Archived copy.

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[MW 002]

I possibly found Mike's backpage ad? Archived copy.

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Well that didn't take long for him to move on from mourning over his life partner

 

[Melkor]

Alright so I read through some of this thread, after @Effluence showed up.

It'd be stupid of me to say that her death didn't affect me even a tiny bit. But I realized that there wasn't much that I could've done for her in the first place. If I had intervened like Jay did, would I have made a difference? Probably not, considering that, from what I have read, her parents did jack until 2 days later. Plus, it would've made me responsible for her.
Her death was a waste. It's disappointing. I think it just serves as a lesson to us that things like this can happen--albeit rarely.

 

[FramerGirl420]

I possibly found Mike's backpage ad? Archived copy.

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Ahh. Life goes on...
Except for Julie, that is.