🐱 How T2 Destroyed the Terminator Franchise

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Terminator 2: Judgment Day remains one of the most popular movies of all time. When it was released in 1991, James Cameron's sequel to The Terminator was the most expensive movie ever made and was easily the highest-grossing film of that year, as well as the most rented movie after its release on VHS and LaserDisc. But its cultural impact lasted much longer than that single year, as Arnold Schwarzenegger immediately became the leading international movie star for more than a decade, and Cameron continued to dominate the box office with his next three blockbusters True Lies, Titanic and Avatar. This cultural behemoth seems like an incredible sequel to celebrate if it weren't for one thing: Terminator 2 is the reason the Terminator franchise failed and could never recover.

Coming out seven years after the first film, Terminator 2 at first seems like a worthy next step in the franchise. With its mix of returning characters and new faces, bigger action set pieces and an upgraded villain thanks to a super slick CGI, the sequel seems to check off all the right boxes. Yet, there are some truly embarrassing changes that not only undermine the effectiveness of the film itself but ultimately derail a franchise before it even had time to get started.

Brutal Horror Film Becomes a Confused Heist Movie in Terminator 2​

The most noticeable and overarching shift between the two films is the wild departure in tone and pacing. 1984's The Terminator is still a paragon of filmmaking, with its tight structure, memorable scenes and perfect performances, from Schwarzenegger's near-silent menace as the T-800 to Linda Hamilton's sincere desperation and courage as Sarah Connor. There's not a second of film to cut, with a deliberate pace that successfully ratchets up the tension all the way to the final scene, as even the interludes of calm are underscored by the T-800's invincible horror that's lurking on the periphery.

Terminator 2 abandons all of that, with a tone that's hard to pin down and a pace that messily flows in starts and stops. Especially with an opening that mirrors the first film -- a pair of time travelers from the future sent to either protect or destroy a person in the present -- Terminator 2sets up a sequel that appears to continue the energy from the first, only to give audiences something entirely different. That's not to say all sequels must stay true to the original, as there are many wonderful examples of follow-ups that undermine an audience's expectations, but the problem with Terminator 2 is that this departure from tone doesn't connect with the franchise as a whole, a change as jarring as it is ineffective.

The plot of Terminator 2 is simple enough to outline in a single sentence, yet its nearly two-and-a-half-hour runtime is loaded with unneeded voice-overs and a plot that can't decide who its main character is or whether it's a heist film, action movie, family drama or buddy comedy. The best element of Terminator 2 is the introduction of the T-1000, played with mild and indifferent creepiness by Robert Patrick, but even with actually exciting scenes with this new villain, he fails to deliver in any important way as his presence isn't maintained and his terror is forgotten once he's off-screen. Perhaps after realizing they created something way too powerful, the only option Cameron had was to just exclude him from the plot, as there are entire chunks of Terminator 2where he isn't in the movie at all.

Schwarzenegger Goes From Assassin to Daddy Way Too Fast in Terminator 2​

It's hard to know whether Schwarzenegger's performance in Terminator 2 is just another casualty of the tone and pacing issues or is actually the cause of them, but either way, his transformation from silent killer to goofy step-father is hard to ignore. According to interviews, Schwarzenegger and Cameron were determined to reform the titular character into one of the good guys, both as a response to Schwarzenegger's success as an action hero since the original Terminator movie was released, as well as an opportunity to take a stand on violence. But once again, due to a confused script and an overly violent set of main characters, the gunfights and explosions actually accomplish exactly the opposite, transforming the upsetting and terrifying violence from The Terminator into meaninglessly cool violence in Terminator 2.

Violence aside, the concept of T-800 turning good isn't even a problem. There are some great examples of villains exploring those better aspects of their humanity, as seen in Star Wars' Darth Vader and Avatar: The Last Airbender's Prince Zuko. The problem is that this entire transformation is done off-screen, mentioned only through dialogue and feels entirely unearned. Especially through a marketing campaign that spoiled the twist before audiences even saw the movie, the T-800 undergoes no metaphysical journey but simply appears in Terminator 2 as a lovable, brainless goofball ready to protect an annoying little boy he was previously hellbent on killing. This would be like if Vader was seen immediately onboard the Millennium Falcon at the beginning of The Empire Strikes Back, learning how to say "We're doomed" from C-3P0.

The T-800 asks those childish questions about pain and tears that lazy filmmakers like to include as a stand-in for an actual investigation into what it means to be human, so by the end of Terminator 2, Schwarzenegger's character hasn't completed some existential breakthrough or any actual growth, but simply remains the same heartless machine who now knows how to say "Hasta la vista, baby" and give out high-fives.

Sarah Conner Regresses to a Powerless Mother Archetype in Terminator 2​

One of the strangest phenomena to emerge in the wake of Terminator 2's release was to continue to define this new version of Sarah Connor as a feminist icon. If someone were to superficially glance at the character, the confusion is understandable: in an era of musclebound, gun-toting male heroes, this '90s version of Connor does seem to be a similarly tough woman warrior. However, the story Terminator 2 tells ultimately strips her of that power, a role she thoroughly earned during her first run-in with the T-800 in the '80s.

The Terminator is a perfect horror movie that uses its unsettling mix of practical gore effects and unpleasant violence to explore modern America through a feminist lens. The film's use of casual sexism, even before Sarah confronts the Terminator, displays a world where the T-800 isn't some new expression of violence but rather a more extreme version of the misogyny that already exists. Even the men who are there to protect her are threatening and dismissive toward her, hardly the heroes anyone would expect. By the end of The Terminator, all the men die, failing to protect her and allowing Sarah to learn that she can save herself.

The Sarah that emerges in Terminator 2 is entirely removed from the strong woman that ended the original film. Yes, she's ripped, shoots guns and even does pull-ups, but the story Cameron tells this time is overwhelmingly regressive. In one of her rare moments of action after teaming up with her son and the recoded T-800, she is unable to go through with the plan and breaks down sobbing while consoled and directed by her teenage son. And at the very end, taking place in a factory that is eerily similar to the ending location of the first film, Sarah Connor is powerless against the T-1000 and must be saved by the men in her life while all she can do is meekly protect her son.

Terminator 2 Left the Franchise Trapped With Nowhere to Go​

Terminator 2 is a confused movie, supposedly a condemnation of male violence that makes that very thing cool and fun, and supposedly about the creative power of women with a main female character who is powerless on her own requiring an entourage of men to save her. But since Terminator 2 was wildly successful, the trajectory of the franchise was redirected to its themes and characters, making all the subsequent Terminatormovies judged on those grounds. Both Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines and Terminator Salvationexplore these similar ideas of machines with human feelings and underprepared heroes with a nuance absent from Terminator 2, yet both films are overly criticized and underappreciated simply because they are not Terminator 2.

People often have fond memories of the movies they watched as kids, and Terminator 2 certainly holds a special place in the minds of gen x and millennials, those born amidst the burgeoning heyday of home video, as well as the dawn of a new era of CGI-focused special effects. But in the 30 years since its release -- especially after the MCU, Star Wars and other franchises brought the concept of worldbuilding to the mainstream as a legitimate way to tell a story -- Terminator 2 now feels truly tragic when juxtaposed against everything that worked in The Terminator.
 
I don't think this person ever watched the movie, or only saw parts of it. The first scene with Sarah Conner is her doing pull-ups in her room, she then says hi to the doctor and asks him about his knee, which he goes on to explain she atracked him; in fact she has a bit of a reputation of being combative with the staff. In fact about a third of the movie's runtime is her in the mental ward; where she fights the orderlies and damn near escapes on her own, till she sees Arnold, freaks out and runs back to her captors. Other parts have her being shot at, stabbed, and otherwise doing badass action stuff. Meanwhile all she did in the first movie was run for her life and let everyone around her commit violence.

The only crime of T2 is being such a good movie; it peaked, it can only go downhill from there. If it was a videogame, the next one would be in space, because that's the natural progression to up the stakes.
 
Then make a new fucking sci-fi story. I know it's a hard concept to grasp, considering you lack any sort of creativity or imagination, but even a monkey has the power to think.

I like how the idea of a woman actually make something successful all on her own doesn't even factor into the question; the only possibility is to take over something men made in the first place, even some moldy old IP like Ghostbusters.
 
If a movie being a box-office hit, a staple of pop culture, and all around loved is a failure, then I'd like to see what this "person" thinks is a success.
Journos want every movie to be some sundance bait schlock about fat lesbian women of ambiguous ethnicity going on a trip to Europe and "finding their true selves", and other such boring pretentious shit.
 
Has it ever occurred to these soy bug men that not every franchise needs to go on for limitless iterations? Sometimes one or two and done is fine. Much like their sex lives.
This is one of the things that scares me when I hear about the possibility of a new Legacy of Kain game, The Dark Prophecy was supposed to be the final game in the series, but these days I think the last game I saw with an ending was Dragons Dogma, and even that now has an MMO and possibly a DD2 making zero sense given the story.

The fuckers need to remember that one of the most important parts of a story is the ending. I'm still salty Bungie ended Halo 3 legendary with the planet in the background, ruining an otherwise self contained trilogy with a nod they wanted to make more games, now we have Halo 4, 5 and infinite. I wish more writers knew when to stop.
 
I've literally never seen three paragraphs be so wrong before. It would take me an hour to go over everything wrong with this.
Pretty much my sentiment. She's anything but "powerless" and this is clearly written by someone who a priori considers motherhood to be a lesser role for a woman. Sarah Connor is the single most badass, archetypal symbols of motherhood there is. Utterly fierce in protecting her child, utterly determined to make him grow up into a strong and capable man. The only immediate rival in cinema I can think of is Ripley who is thematically very much the archetype of the protective mother in the second Aliens movie. But in this specific context, Sarah Connor takes the crown.

About the only thing I agree with this article on is the T-800's humanising. Like the article I don't disagree that it was done but tonally it's one of the weakest parts of the movie for me. "Stand on one leg", "I know now why you cry," etc. It's not awful and we do get "they'll live" when he shoots them all in the knees which every kid who watched the movie laughed at. But if you're going to pick holes in the movie, that's it. Everything else in this article is wrong.

I'll even disagree with the premise. Unlike a lot of people I don't think T3 was awful. I actually liked the themes explored in it, how the brute force of Arnie's Terminator was being outmoded by the more subtle, more controlling Kristanna Loken's T-X. He crashed through walls and got stabbed by punks without blinking. She weaponised machines and the Internet. As a motif it well-reflected shifts in what really scared us and what made sense to us. We were older - an indestructible cyborg walking around in the dawning age of Internet surveillance and acting like a crude one-man army no longer felt quite as believable. You could see how he was obsolete. Of course, being told your childhood anti-hero was now obsolete went down with original fans as well as you would expect. I liked it though - I agreed.

Finally, the author of this article seems entirely unaware of the TV spin off: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Aside from starring the incomparable Lena Heady (about the only person you could credibly re-cast from Linda Hamilton's version), it did exactly what this article says couldn't be done. It picks up after the end of T2, and it takes the story in MANY interesting directions. The origins of Skynet, a very clever interpretation of time travel (see below), themes of the humanising of the cyborgs... It went a bit screwy in the middle of the second season due to a writer's strike but it finished very strong. It even had Shirley Manson in it. I really enjoyed it and it had zero problem moving the story forward.

So one thing that totally blew my mind in this show was in the second season when Derek's team-mate / girlfriend travels back and in a conversation at one point suddenly realise that not everything is the same for them. I.e. the future she travelled back from is not quite the same as the one he came from. He's essentially an orphan from a timeline he himself helped destroy. The open question of how significant the differences are between their shared history is only resolved in time. Imagine you were dating someone and suddenly one day their past was a little different to yours. To her, you went to the movies that night. For you, it was a restaurant. Does it matter? How much?

Another thing that really got me in the series was the ambiguity of just how manipulative Summer Glau's Terminator actually was. We see hints on multiple occasions that she is trying to gain influence with John or control him. But it's almost never explicit and there are other occasions when her limitations come to the fore. What her actual goal is we have to work out for ourselves. There's also the wonderful episode where we find out what she does when the others sleep given that she does not. I'm talking about the Library episode. I was mesmerised at the time by her interactions with the guy who works there and helps her solve a mystery. "No wonder you don't have any friends" was a really heartfelt line in the context of what she'd just done, inadvertently. A strange mixture of self-awareness and an attempt to build a connection with another human being - faltering though it is. He has cancer, has already had it once before and now faces a relapse. She is damaged. She tries to explain they are the same. She does not do this well. It's a hundred times more effective than Shwazenneger's "I know now why you cry". Just how 'conscious' is she? We don't know but we have this moment that you can almost see is a struggling attempt to empathise in a circumstance when there's no gain in it for her. Summer Glau is very effective in the role. Bar a little uncertainty in the pilot where they initially were going in a different direction.

Finally, there is the theme of Replacement in the TV series. In T1/T2 the horror is that the machines will destroy us. Again, showing just how little this author knows, the show moves the themes forward into the horror being that the machines will replace us. In one episode Cameron passes herself off as a ballet student. Summer Glau is actually a trained dancer. At the end, we see her still practising the ballet in her room at night. Derek sees it and starts crying. Why? Because these machines are not just killing us, but learning to replace us, to do something beautiful.

The series did SO many original things with the premise of the first two movies. And this article author doesn't know anything.
 
This is one of the things that scares me when I hear about the possibility of a new Legacy of Kain game, The Dark Prophecy was supposed to be the final game in the series, but these days I think the last game I saw with an ending was Dragons Dogma, and even that now has an MMO and possibly a DD2 making zero sense given the story.

The fuckers need to remember that one of the most important parts of a story is the ending. I'm still salty Bungie ended Halo 3 legendary with the planet in the background, ruining an otherwise self contained trilogy with a nod they wanted to make more games, now we have Halo 4, 5 and infinite. I wish more writers knew when to stop.
This is one thing I'll give the Japanese, they will actually end things. Sure, some things are serialized and go on forever, but they were meant to. In America, you can't do that, because we have to wring all possible value out of a property before it gracelessly expires. How many TV series have a good 3-4 seasons, but get double that and suffer for it?

Reach would have been a great place for Halo to end, instead idiots have run it into the ground. Although I would accept a Halo that involved the surviving Spartan-IIs and IIIs beating the shit out of the fratboys and bitches they gave us in 4.
 
fuck this guy.

read his bio:

Charles is a podcaster and film writer from Massachusetts with a degree in creative writing and literature from Hampshire College. His podcast When Will It End? explores cinematic universes, as he and his cohost watch film franchises from start to finish and learn such lessons that Jaws 4 is actually pretty good. You can see his MCU rankings and general film journey by following nfrsbmschmck on Letterboxd.


he also looks like an insufferable cunt
To quote Quint, "It proves that you wealthy college boys don't have the education enough to admit when you're wrong."
 
i wonder if this idiot will write up alien franchise next, and say Ripley is a bad female hero
Probably. And I think I know what they'll hate about it, though they may not be smart enough to articulate it.

Ripley is a great heroine. And every bit a woman. Here's the thing though - she fits in with people. It's in the first movie too but lets take our example from the second. When she goes up to Apone and Hicks and asks if there's anything she can do, Apone quickfires back: "I don't know - is there anything you can do." There's like a moment's recovery time she takes and she smiles because she recognizes she's being challenged. And she says: "Well I can drive that loader. I have a class 2 rating." Apone tells her to "be my guest." But it's that momentary smile that encapsulates the exchange. She approaches the guys, they challenge her and she accepts that you get challenged and then engages with it and wins on their own terms. THAT is why guys respect and like Ripley. She doesn't come in taking things for granted or expecting the men to all adapt their ways to her. She says: "I can do this" and is willing to prove it. She's original feminist, not modern feminist. That's the difference between her and a lot of modern "female empowerment" movies where the guys challenging her are Bad People for doing so, that have to be punished for their misogyny. This is how guys are. How we are with each other. We challenge, we jostle, we weed out the week. Ripley, Sarah Connor, all those ones, they're not coming in and saying we're wrong, they're saying they make the cut. Modern heroines are very often saying: "I shouldn't be challenged, your way of social interaction is wrong'. And that's why they come across as insufferably smug because who are they to say that everyone else suddenly needs to change for them.

It's acceptance vs. dominance. Modern feminism isn't about acceptance.
 
This is one thing I'll give the Japanese, they will actually end things. Sure, some things are serialized and go on forever, but they were meant to. In America, you can't do that, because we have to wring all possible value out of a property before it gracelessly expires. How many TV series have a good 3-4 seasons, but get double that and suffer for it?

Reach would have been a great place for Halo to end, instead idiots have run it into the ground. Although I would accept a Halo that involved the surviving Spartan-IIs and IIIs beating the shit out of the fratboys and bitches they gave us in 4.
Silent Hill is now a pachinko game. Japan is just as bad.
 
The northeastern faggot hipster writer of this shit drivel

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Historical revisionism, the best one is now the worst one because they say so.
 
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