Ronnie Merle Mcnutt
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they are both shit
Is Windows 11 worth it?
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To all the people suggesting me to either debloat 10 or get LTSC, I already debloated Windows 10. I also disabled the update center because I didn't want it to brick my computer. I will consider LTSC if I'm building a new gaming PC from scratch, so thanks for the suggestion.
Holy shit I'm going to get so much shit for it.
To all the people suggesting me Linux, I already have a dualboot, but I'm still going to stick with Windows. Linux is a convoluted shitstain that is so obtusely designed that I can't understand why would anyone use it on the daily basis. Everything on Linux is done via the Terminal and yes I said EVERYTHING, imagine if I had to change my computer's settings using command prompt or install literally anything via command prompt.
Every OS related to Linux suffers from an extreme unfriendly user experience because of that above and the dependencies, yes even the "user-friendly" OSes like Ubuntu. Although you can allegedly play Windows games on Linux I have never fucking figured out how to install Wine, it just won't work.
Also putting aside the stupid UX of Linux, it has its lots of problems, both internal and external:
And that's just on this website, on other sites I've seen plenty more of criticism against Linux.
https://medium.com/@ICTman1076/yeah-linux-sucks-but-the-alternatives-are-worse-fad3357908dc (The dude who wrote this literally hates Windows and he still agrees that Linux sucks)
Hell even the Macintosh is easier to deal with than Linux, it's obvious why so I won't get into that topic. Only problem is that Mac is overexpensive for no good reason, fuck Apple for their vanity garbage, I'd buy a SUPREME brick before I'd buy a Macintosh.
Though the operating system that is objectively superior in every way to Windows/Linux/Mac is Temple OS.
Holy shit I'm going to get so much shit for it.
To all the people suggesting me Linux, I already have a dualboot, but I'm still going to stick with Windows. Linux is a convoluted shitstain that is so obtusely designed that I can't understand why would anyone use it on the daily basis. Everything on Linux is done via the Terminal and yes I said EVERYTHING, imagine if I had to change my computer's settings using command prompt or install literally anything via command prompt.
Every OS related to Linux suffers from an extreme unfriendly user experience because of that above and the dependencies, yes even the "user-friendly" OSes like Ubuntu. Although you can allegedly play Windows games on Linux I have never fucking figured out how to install Wine, it just won't work.
Also putting aside the stupid UX of Linux, it has its lots of problems, both internal and external:
And that's just on this website, on other sites I've seen plenty more of criticism against Linux.
https://medium.com/@ICTman1076/yeah-linux-sucks-but-the-alternatives-are-worse-fad3357908dc (The dude who wrote this literally hates Windows and he still agrees that Linux sucks)
Hell even the Macintosh is easier to deal with than Linux, it's obvious why so I won't get into that topic. Only problem is that Mac is overexpensive for no good reason, fuck Apple for their vanity garbage, I'd buy a SUPREME brick before I'd buy a Macintosh.
Though the operating system that is objectively superior in every way to Windows/Linux/Mac is Temple OS.
Ronnie Merle Mcnutt
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i installed linux once on my old laptop just for normal use not even gaming and i have never used or seen a more shit OS and even shitter community in my life i tried manjaro which was decent mint which looked like ass but was once again alright and then the fucking worst of them all ubuntu never more have i seen a more shit distro of linux in my fucking life and for some reason people still use that dogshit distro
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When you've used Linux long enough, it does everything you want it to, and unlike windows; it's obedient.
Git gud.
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How I would setup Linux for windows normies:
1. Just install any distro with KDE Plasma and a good installer.
2. Get every package you want with the letter k in it from package manager. Don't fucking install anything with the word GNOME in it. Don't install things with a ton of dependencies.
3. Install your browser of choice
4. Install steam for vidya
5. Never touch the console
6. Comfy Linux daily driver from this point on.
7. (Optional) Rice it to your liking
I feel like Ubuntu gives Linux a bad first impression.
1. Just install any distro with KDE Plasma and a good installer.
2. Get every package you want with the letter k in it from package manager. Don't fucking install anything with the word GNOME in it. Don't install things with a ton of dependencies.
3. Install your browser of choice
4. Install steam for vidya
5. Never touch the console
6. Comfy Linux daily driver from this point on.
7. (Optional) Rice it to your liking
I feel like Ubuntu gives Linux a bad first impression.
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Ronnie Merle Mcnutt
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At least windows and Mac OS actually work lmao. I used Linux for 1 year and trust me it doesn't get better its just a false coping mechanism to lock Linux people into a false sense of thinking their OS is the best and nothing can compare. I'm not saying windows is the best but Linux is overrated as fuck windows spys on you and mac is overpriced but they all are unique and have ups and downs.
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You mean install Arch from a guide as your first distro because your mom was shocked at your ability to search Googles in the 2000s, so you must be good at computering, then complain that Linux doesn't work and it's in fact a lie that everyone that uses it spreads because they're poor and contrarian?
Ronnie Merle Mcnutt
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I mean steam is kinda take it or leave it on Linux sure proton exists but it still is Buggy. for normal use Linux is semi decent depending on the distro though
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Linux is to OS' what Blender is to 3D modelling. Every time a shitty version of Windows comes out, all the Linux fanboys rush in to proclaim that Linux is good now and all the difficulties using it have been fixed, only for people to find that not to be the case once you scratch the new shiny surface of whatever distro is popular right now.
Ronnie Merle Mcnutt
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never claimed i was good at computing once and i never said all of linux is shit just specific distros and also thats the other thing is the so called "linux masterrace" can't take criticisms to their "god tier" OS so heres some reasons why some distros are shit
Not all distros have wi-fi drivers that work out of the box and wi-fi drivers that do work out of the box don't always work well
PulseAudio is still broken
Not all websites/software will support it this is really bad if you use it for office/school work because your "OS isn't supported"
Proprietary software doesn't work on Linux and no i am not going to spend 3 hours to configure wine just to use fucking office or photoshop
Almost all of the free software Linux uses can run in Windows without having to use an emulator
Every attempt at shipping Linux laptops has failed because the drivers are still fucking ass
Most distros are irrelevant and most of the ones that everyone simps for suck ass like ubuntu
and the community is probably the most fucking cancer shit i have ever seen
and even if your WIFI does work ive noticed that it is alot slower than on windows on windows i get about 60mbps a second and on linux its more around 20 to 15 ish
and linux was always meant to be for servers not for home pcs
and debian distros ever since they were launched have had a bug where your monitor is locked to 1024x768 and if you don't know how to fix that then you are fucked because chances are you wont have wifi support to look up the fix if you have a phone your fine but if its your only electronic enjoy low res and no wifi
notice all this could be avoided by using windows or macos (not saying they are still good)
ubuntu has been in development for 20 years and still doesn't have basic drivers that any modern OS has out of box let that sink in.
so for the love of god PLEASE use TempleOS
TL;DR windows has better out of box drivers and support and they still don't have proper WIFI drivers that actually work or give you good speeds IN 2022
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I'm willing to take criticisms, but note how tinged with frustration everyone that complains about Linux is, claiming it's "shit and broken" and then acting like people are just compromising when they use it. It has issues, but far, far less than Windows. This idea that things "just work" on Windows only stands for current releases. They're breaking 32bit support as we speak and people are hacking together workarounds... just like with Linux, except it's easier on Linux at this point. Windows is on the backslide. Within the decade, it's going to be a completely different, proprietary monster with even less control than it already offers.
Acting like Linux just doesn't work is literally always a user problem. Even Arch is so heavily documented anyone with basic skills in following directions could use it if they really, really wanted to.
I was put off of Linux for 15 years after my first use back around 2005~ or so, and kept on just listening to everyone spout how shitty and broken it is. Then I actually tried it out and found out how wrong everyone is. I don't care if people want to use Windows forever, but it's an inferior experience in almost every way at this point for my day to day use, and honestly, the only games that I haven't gotten to work quickly are insanely specific and can easily be dual booted for. Elden Ring worked day 1, and within 12 hours of launch it had online. I know, Marvin's Mittens is still borked, but we'll get there one day.
The pure vitriol people have towards it just tells me it's not for them, because they didn't like learning it. That's fine, but don't bitch about Windows and try to hack together some "debloated" version when it literally already exists. I don't see how people could even fuck up something like Manjaro Stable. If Windows is good enough, there's no reason Manjaro+KDE wouldn't be. That's what I started on and my soundcard worked without hassle, something that I couldn't even say for Windows.
tl;dr just stick with Windows but expect Windows with Windows because you can't fix what Windows is and always will be.
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Never claimed it was shit and broken, I said it had an awful UX and that's an undeniable fact, period. Name me a single thing you can't do on Windows without the command prompt. I can say already that I can name you 5 things you need the terminal for on Ubuntu or Debian.
- Installing and uninstalling software, particularly if you're missing out on the package manager, if you do have a package manager, anything not included in it will still have to require the terminal for. Wine for example requires the terminal.
- Running certain programs. You can't double click JAVA as far as I know, you need to run it through the terminal to run a JAVA program, same story goes for Python. Not only that, but some programs can also only be opened by the terminal because for some reason they have a GUI, but not a program icon accessible from the GUI itself. Lastly there are programs that somehow require parameters fed from the terminal to run properly. The only software with this archaic behaviour on Windows that I know of was Tupitube, but the folder included a batch file.
- Doing certain tasks depending on permissions. Anything on ROOT needs the terminal for it, I would use the GUI, but apparently it simply doesn't exist.
- Package files (.TAR.GZ/.DEB) require the terminal while all it takes to install package files on windows (.MSI) is to double click them.
- Changing certain parameters of the OS related to its BIOS, internal settings (E.G: GRUB) and whatnot also require the terminal and with ROOT permission more often than not.
How about you don't upgrade to shittier versions of Windows? Win 7 was peak Windows and I wish I could just go back there.
It does work, but it eats away at my life just trying to figure out how to use it more than it did with Windows the first time around and I was like fucking 6 or 7 on my parents' Windows XP.
I don't understand the insistence that Linux fanboys have to keep the Linux kernel as complicated as it is and when they try to untangle the mess they created they do so with a shitty bandaid in the form of 5 overlapping package managers that are not compatible with each other, horrendous.
It probably was, old OSes are always broken in a way or another, don't you remember of the scandal with Windows Vista or Windows ME?
Nowadays it certainly isn't broken, just stupid.
LOL "inferior", Linux can't even keep up with newer technology. If Windows is inferior then Linux is archaic, thus they are both shit, but I'd still go for an OS that's easier to use than otherwise.
I can't play Elden Ring on Linux even if I wanted to, like I said I can't figure out how to install Wine despite my best efforts. Two weeks it took for me to give up.
Linux may not be as bloated as current Windows, but it certainly isn't as convenient. Debloating Windows takes a single day or 2 minutes if you're going to go the easy way out and use a script you stole somewhere. As for Linux, it took me wasted weeks just to try to do anything out of the box and eventually I just said "aye fuck it" and like 4/5 times I boot up in Windows to do my usual stuff, only sometimes I boot up Linux for specialised stuff like software modifications and game development when I want to test out if a game runs fine on Linux, even then I believe that all this stuff could be done on Windows.
If nobody can bitch about Windows 11 because Linux exists then I'll dedicate this thread to bitch about Linux, that's perfectly fine by me, you already made a good conversation starter.
Drivers are an ass regardless of OS, but I'm going to trust that proprietary software from the makers of the hardware in question should always work better than the open source counterpart. I've heard horror stories about AMD and NVIDIA not running properly on Linux, the general consensus is that only Intel computers seem to work optimally on Linux in 2022.
Manjaro suffers from the same issues I highlighted previously, shitty UX. All the Linux distros do to some extent. Linux nerds hate accessibility and simplicity, but my god do they adore the fucking terminal.
Run Windows 7, there I fixed Windows for you.
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Got the reply glitch, so I can't direct reply, but literally all 5 of the things you listed can be done on Manjaro+KDE without the terminal, 4 of them being without even downloading a new package, and the GRUB updating being done with a GUI option you can download in seconds.
Wine is the simplest shit in the world, too. If you can't get that working, which is mostly automated, I really don't know what to tell you. In Manjaro, which you seem to think you know about, all you have to do is right click to run something in Wine and you can change prefixes, again, with a GUI since the terminal seems beyond you.
You can install everything via a GUI, Pamac, in Manjaro too. It's really foolproof.
Windows 7 is dead and is never coming back. Either deal with Netflix: The OS, or learn.
Wine is the simplest shit in the world, too. If you can't get that working, which is mostly automated, I really don't know what to tell you. In Manjaro, which you seem to think you know about, all you have to do is right click to run something in Wine and you can change prefixes, again, with a GUI since the terminal seems beyond you.
You can install everything via a GUI, Pamac, in Manjaro too. It's really foolproof.
Windows 7 is dead and is never coming back. Either deal with Netflix: The OS, or learn.
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Kiwi & Cow said:
gdebi is what you're looking for on Debian-based systems, though nobody will tell you this. It's not perfect, but close enough to "Click this package to install, and you know what I mean by install".
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It's almost unbelievable that people are still being filtered by the terminal in 2022.
You will read the targeted ads on explorer and you will be happy.
You will read the targeted ads on explorer and you will be happy.
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1) Windows 11 is not worth it, it's a glorified update for Windows 10 and it suffers from the same issues as Windows 10 did in it's infancy. It's riddled with bugs and it will take a few years for it to become somewhat stable.
2) Windows 10 LTSC still spies on you and you only benefit by it being as basic as Windows 7 while having all the advantages of Windows 10. I started off with LTSC but ended up moving onto standard Win10 Pro because I wanted to make use of the new features, and frankly I do not give a shit about spying.
3) Speaking of, if you're super anal about not wanting to be spied on, you will have to sacrifice all the conveniences of modern computing and stay on Linux and deal with all it's bullshit. Neve listen to people that say Linux is just like Windows and that it works out of the box, because it doesn't and it never will. Using Linux means you will have to become a masochist willing to torture himself for hours trying to fix something that just works on Windows.
4) Seriously, do not listen to people convincing you of how easy Linux is because it's not. Those people are deranged GNUtards who will do their best to convince you to use nothing but free and open source software, even if it means it's gonna be absolute dogshit garbage, as long as it's FOSS it's better. It's either keeping your privacy or beating yourself repeatedly to just have your shit work. Those people can go fuck themselves with barbed wire because not every single human being on the planet has the ability or the willpower to deal with Linux and it's flaws.
That being said, here you can find all kinds of ISO's, including LTSC ones. Link comes from MyDigitalLife Forums, which is the place for all things Windows hacking related: https://isofiles.bd581e55.workers.dev/Windows 10/
And here you can find an activator for Windows 10. Yes, it's even capable of activating the OS illegitimately on Microsoft's servers and MS doesn't give two shits about it. I mean hell, it's hosted on GitHub of all places: https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts
2) Windows 10 LTSC still spies on you and you only benefit by it being as basic as Windows 7 while having all the advantages of Windows 10. I started off with LTSC but ended up moving onto standard Win10 Pro because I wanted to make use of the new features, and frankly I do not give a shit about spying.
3) Speaking of, if you're super anal about not wanting to be spied on, you will have to sacrifice all the conveniences of modern computing and stay on Linux and deal with all it's bullshit. Neve listen to people that say Linux is just like Windows and that it works out of the box, because it doesn't and it never will. Using Linux means you will have to become a masochist willing to torture himself for hours trying to fix something that just works on Windows.
4) Seriously, do not listen to people convincing you of how easy Linux is because it's not. Those people are deranged GNUtards who will do their best to convince you to use nothing but free and open source software, even if it means it's gonna be absolute dogshit garbage, as long as it's FOSS it's better. It's either keeping your privacy or beating yourself repeatedly to just have your shit work. Those people can go fuck themselves with barbed wire because not every single human being on the planet has the ability or the willpower to deal with Linux and it's flaws.
That being said, here you can find all kinds of ISO's, including LTSC ones. Link comes from MyDigitalLife Forums, which is the place for all things Windows hacking related: https://isofiles.bd581e55.workers.dev/Windows 10/
And here you can find an activator for Windows 10. Yes, it's even capable of activating the OS illegitimately on Microsoft's servers and MS doesn't give two shits about it. I mean hell, it's hosted on GitHub of all places: https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts
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Just got a new computer that has Windows 11 on it. Best I can say right now is that taskbar autohide works now and the notification sounds are pleasant.
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Linux sounds homosexual but it might be preferable over Windows at this point since I quit gaming some time ago anyway.
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I got filtered late last year when I built out a new desktop and installed Linux Mint, and then burned 5 hours of the last, precious bits of my ever-fleeting youth on trying to figure out why Grub just won't work, only to eventually discover that it's because my monitor is connected to an Nvidia card over Displayport and it's just a known issue with no solution, and there's nothing I can do
so then I sighed and wiped my drive and installed Windows 10 with a local account, immediately ran anti-telemetry software before taking it online, and it's worked well enough for me
still liked Mint better than MacOS though
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