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I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that the number of Americans with Irish, African, Hispanic, and Eastern European ancestry, when combined, vastly outnumbers those with British ancestry; especially those with pure Anglo-Saxon ancestry.

And even if we take mixed blood into account, why should someone who's, say, 1/4 Spanish, 1/4 Slavic, 1/4 Irish and 1/4 Anglo-Saxon value the Anglo-Saxon bit beyond the other 4?
Because America is also culturally Anglo Saxon. English is the official language, America's laws are based off of English Common Law, and the Constitution is based off of the Magna Carta.

Not even the English have English ancestry. It's just a cesspool of slimey eastern europeans and muslims at this point.
Restoring the true monarchy will save England's English population because the true monarchy will have better immigration control.
 
Christ, I can't believe I've nothing better to do than this.

The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception of Mary and the Assumption of Mary used to be theological opinions that were generally accepted long before they were infallibly proclaimed as dogma, so I and many Catholic believe that Limbo is the destination for the souls of unbaptized infants. But some other Catholics think that they go to heaven. Either way, the sins that cause damnation are mortal sins so infants and young children are too young to be able to commit those kinds of sins.

The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception has a claim of being part of the deposit of faith prior to the dogmatic statement within Ineffabilis Deus because Christians believed it during the early centuries of the faith. There are strong arguments against it being a dogma such as the Orthodox claim, but for the sake of brevity, I'll assume it's correct.

The doctrine of Limbo is contrary to earlier statements within the Church such as the writings of Saint Cyprian of Carthage who state otherwise. Several popes, perhaps most famously within Unam Sanctam but also repeated by the Council of Florence state strongly otherwise.

Feenyism is condemned, that an unbaptised martyr cannot know God. But the Church cannot state definitively that Infants who die before baptism (including miscarriages who in Catholic thought do have souls) are saved.

If anything, infant damnation is historically the more popular opinion. You've only to crack open something like Dante's Inferno and note that the first circle of hell is specifically for "Virtuous Pagans and unbaptized Infants". It's not a nice place, but I suppose they're only suffering a little rather than being boiled upside down in a barrel.

They were originally pagan conquerors but they were made valid when they converted to Christianity and were recognized by the Byzantine Emperors and Popes. The Byzantine Emperors as successors to the Roman Emperors had the authority to recognize them as valid.

The Byzantine Emperor's were not Catholic, all of them practised Caesaropapism. You're relying upon an authority that humiliated several popes and tortured one to death for legitimacy in the Catholic faith. This is a bit of a stretch.

Interestingly, the Byzantine Emperor's never accepted the Western Rulers as true Kings. They acknowledged them as warlords, but only addressed themselves with royal titles because they believed they had the rightful claim to the west. Irene got the closest when she briefly toyed with the idea of marriage to Charlemagne, but she ultimately turned from it because "He was a pretender".

According to the Byzantine Emperor Irene (Female Emperors always used male titles), the Holy Roman Emperor (Charlemagne) was an illegitimate ruler.

Making it so that it would not happen would be interfering with the free will of his creation. Satan chose to rebel against God, inventing sin and then Adam and Eve chose to eat the forbidden fruit. It was the choices of Satan, Adam, and Eve that made the world the way it is today.

Presuming your father murdered someone, would it be just if the state executed you for his crime?

According to Yahweh's logic, massacring all his descendants is perfectly just.

No, Yahweh created Satan, knowing he would rebel and giving him the resources to do so. He could also have stopped Satan at any time, knowing his creation who hadn't obtained knowledge of Good or Evil would do as he suggests.

Divine Command theory is more compelling on this front, but it does make Justice and morality purely whimsical.

As I said, while those religions were older, they were from BEFORE England was established as a nation in 927 AD. Catholicism is not the traditional religion of the region of England but it is the traditional religion of the nation of England.

Either way, Protestantism has been the State Religion of England for far longer than Catholicism was at this point. Even the Church of England has a better claim to authority by age than the Catholic Church.
 
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Restoring the true monarchy will save England's English population because the true monarchy will have better immigration control.

How is immigration control going to help you when there are already a huge number of people already there? Are you planning on doing something to the existing muslims who already live there and are citizens? Some sort of solution to the problem?
 
"Monarchist" this guy just wants the chintz and importance of being a King without the fact he'd probably wind up working harder than most people actually do in their daily lives.

No no, you see, he doesn't want to be the king. He just knows how Britain should be run. He's an American and would choose to remain one even if the British did all this shit. He just "has British ancestry" and his dad likes British cars (Christ my goddamned sides)

He's just sticking his nose in other countries' business and talking about how they should govern themselves, like a stereotypical American.

EDIT: Oh and Americans should give a fuck about England because we're culturally and historically related, never mind the fact that we gave them the boot about 243 years ago
 
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your plan to take over seems convoluted and seems dependent on things going exactly one way.
1. you and the society finding proof of the illegitimacy of Henry VII
2. many people being outraged by the discovery, the "illegitimate line" has reigned since the late 15th century.
3. People will not completely uproot pretty much the entire monarchy based on something that happened hundreds of years ago
4. I don't know English law, but even if illegitimacy was discovered there probably will be several legal mechanisms that keep the line as it is.
5. your plan to train future child heirs will, you're assuming the Richard III society will go along with your plan. You're assuming that the parents will go along with the plans to take over England, they might be possibly Protestant or Agnostic, or merely disagree with your beliefs in some way. The kids might not go along with the plans even if you somehow raise them.
6. Your mass infiltration plan seems to depend on no one spilling the beans on the plot, everyone in the plot following orders 100% of the time, and enough people wanting to join the plot.
7. You're assuming that they will manage to infiltrate the govt in the first place, and that the opponents won't be able to counter the plot.
8. You're assuming that the monarch will be super competent
9. The Church of England will not just rejoin the Catholic Church because they're ordered to.
10. You're assuming the people will just accept your reign, the people won't be able to overthrow the system.
11. You managing to infiltrate and takeover France, Israel and Turkey.
12. I have a vague feeling quite a large number of middle east residents won't look kindly on someone doing their own little crusade there.
13. Other countries probably would not be happy with your new order.
14. You're assuming, even if everything goes to plan, that it will work.
 
Yeah even if somehow these spergs successfully overthrow the UK government and somehow declare war on fucking Israel or Turkey or France, the US and UN will slap sanctions on them faster than you can say "North Korean Famine". Yeah, the UK sparking a war that will raise the ire of the US is a great idea. If you think the US will go along with this insane plan just because of "muh Anglo-Saxon culture" you probably ought to wear a helmet and be put in a group home


EDIT: Seriously, is this some elaborate, high-effort troll here?
 
Christ, I can't believe I've nothing better to do than this.



The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception has a claim of being part of the deposit of faith prior to the dogmatic statement within Ineffabilis Deus because Christians believed it during the early centuries of the faith. There are strong arguments against it being a dogma such as the Orthodox claim, but for the sake of brevity, I'll assume it's correct.

The doctrine of Limbo is contrary to earlier statements within the Church such as the writings of Saint Cyprian of Carthage who state otherwise. Several popes, perhaps most famously within Unam Sanctam but also repeated by the Council of Florence state strongly otherwise.

Feenyism is condemned, that an unbaptised martyr cannot know God. But the Church cannot state definitively that Infants who die before baptism (including miscarriages who in Catholic thought do have souls) are saved.

If anything, infant damnation is historically the more popular opinion. You've only to crack open something like Dante's Inferno and note that the first circle of hell is specifically for "Virtuous Pagans and unbaptized Infants". It's not a nice place, but I suppose they're only suffering a little rather than being boiled upside down in a barrel.
Exactly. The First Circle “shares many characteristics with the Asphodel Meadows; thus, the guiltless damned are punished by living in a deficient form of Heaven. Without baptism ("the portal of the faith that you embrace"[25]) they lacked the hope for something greater than rational minds can conceive.” So even if unbaptized infants are damned, their punishment is not that bad.
The Byzantine Emperor's were not Catholic, all of them practised Caesaropapism. You're relying upon an authority that humiliated several popes and tortured one to death for legitimacy in the Catholic faith. This is a bit of a stretch.

Interestingly, the Byzantine Emperor's never accepted the Western Rulers as true Kings. They acknowledged them as warlords, but only addressed themselves with royal titles because they believed they had the rightful claim to the west. Irene got the closest when she briefly toyed with the idea of marriage to Charlemagne, but she ultimately turned from it because "He was a pretender".

According to the Byzantine Emperor Irene (Female Emperors always used male titles), the Holy Roman Emperor (Charlemagne) was an illegitimate ruler.
I am also relying on the Papal Authority. When the pagan conquerors converted to Christianity, the Popes recognized them as valid. And Emperor Michael I recognized Charlemagne’s title Emperor of the Romans.
Presuming your father murdered someone, would it be just if the state executed you for his crime?

According to Yahweh's logic, massacring all his descendants is perfectly just.

No, Yahweh created Satan, knowing he would rebel and giving him the resources to do so. He could also have stopped Satan at any time, knowing his creation who hadn't obtained knowledge of Good or Evil would do as he suggests.

Divine Command theory is more compelling on this front, but it does make Justice and morality purely whimsical.
It would not be just, but people are damned for the sins they themselves willfully commited in their life. We just have a tendency to commit sins because we have knowledge of good and evil. As stated before the only punishment for original sin is either Limbo for the infants, or the First Circle of Hell.

As for why got hasn’t stopped Satan before the Garden of Eden incident, that beats me but God acts in mysterious ways. Our finite minds cannot grasp all the reasons for everything he does.

How is immigration control going to help you when there are already a huge number of people already there? Are you planning on doing something to the existing muslims who already live there and are citizens? Some sort of solution to the problem?
The existing Muslims will have to either assimilate or get deported.
 
If you can’t back it up by force, your claims to any throne mean nothing. The ultimate rule in global politics is that might makes right.
 
your plan to take over seems convoluted and seems dependent on things going exactly one way.
1. you and the society finding proof of the illegitimacy of Henry VII
2. many people being outraged by the discovery, the "illegitimate line" has reigned since the late 15th century.
3. People will not completely uproot pretty much the entire monarchy based on something that happened hundreds of years ago
4. I don't know English law, but even if illegitimacy was discovered there probably will be several legal mechanisms that keep the line as it is.
5. your plan to train future child heirs will, you're assuming the Richard III society will go along with your plan. You're assuming that the parents will go along with the plans to take over England, they might be possibly Protestant or Agnostic, or merely disagree with your beliefs in some way. The kids might not go along with the plans even if you somehow raise them.
6. Your mass infiltration plan seems to depend on no one spilling the beans on the plot, everyone in the plot following orders 100% of the time, and enough people wanting to join the plot.
7. You're assuming that they will manage to infiltrate the govt in the first place, and that the opponents won't be able to counter the plot.
8. You're assuming that the monarch will be super competent
9. The Church of England will not just rejoin the Catholic Church because they're ordered to.
10. You're assuming the people will just accept your reign, the people won't be able to overthrow the system.
11. You managing to infiltrate and takeover France, Israel and Turkey.
12. I have a vague feeling quite a large number of middle east residents won't look kindly on someone doing their own little crusade there.
13. Other countries probably would not be happy with your new order.
14. You're assuming, even if everything goes to plan, that it will work.
Every plan has it’s flaws but this plan is an improvement over my previous plans and by infiltrating the governments of the UK, Ireland, and France to get them to pass amendments making the true monarch the King the easiest and most legal way to put him on the throne, and infiltrating Turkey and Israel will cause Constantinople and the Holy Land to be liberated in an easy way that might prevent war.

If I have children, they can help me with my master plan. Does any woman here want to marry me? A requirement is that the children must be raised Catholic.
 
I can't sleep, and this isn't half as amusing as I thought it would be.

Exactly. The First Circle “shares many characteristics with the Asphodel Meadows; thus, the guiltless damned are punished by living in a deficient form of Heaven. Without baptism ("the portal of the faith that you embrace"[25]) they lacked the hope for something greater than rational minds can conceive.” So even if unbaptized infants are damned, their punishment is not that bad.

But you still think it's just and right that a miscarried baby should be tortured for all eternity. Even if it's only a "little" bit of punishment, it's still an infinite punishment for something the fetus had no power influence.

But Gawd is wuv tho.


I am also relying on the Papal Authority. When the pagan conquerors converted to Christianity, the Popes recognized them as valid. And Emperor Michael I recognized Charlemagne’s title Emperor of the Romans.

No, he didn't.

n 812 Michael I reopened negotiations with the Franks, and recognized Charlemagne as basileus (King) (but not as Emperor of the Romans).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_I_Rangabe

Michael, I was on the throne for less than two years, and his successor revoked this as well.

Basileus does translate(ish) to King, but it doesn't carry the same gravitas as Augustus (Emperor) did to the Byzantines. Augustus' and Caesar were the imperial titles for the highest authority and his chosen heir, a Basileus was a foreign war lord.

You're also forgetting the Pope's own temporal authority is illegitimate. While he used the Donation of Constantine to justify being able to crown a Roman Emperor and award fiefdoms such as Ireland to various monarchs, the Donation itself is a forgery.

As the Vatican is so fond of explaining it's misdeeds today, it's only infalliable on matters of faith. Administering land is not a matter of faith. Which is good really, because it was so bloody awful when it tried doing it. The history of the Papal States is a lesson on what not to do in government.

It would not be just, but people are damned for the sins they themselves willfully committed in their life. We just have a tendency to commit sins because we have knowledge of good and evil. As stated before the only punishment for original sin is either Limbo for the infants, or the First Circle of Hell.

Limbo is a theological opinion with no backing. Some Popes like Pius IX and Boniface VII have even condemned the notion.

It's hard to really guess what God would consider a sin anyway. Rape is fine so long as you marry your victim, but Satan help you if you wear fabric woven of two different threads!

Maybe he'll change his mind on that again, just like when Ursury was a sin until it wasn't because of bling bling.

As for why got hasn’t stopped Satan before the Garden of Eden incident, that beats me but God acts in mysterious ways. Our finite minds cannot grasp all the reasons for everything he does.

"If it doesn't make sense, it isn't true" - Judge Judy

If I watched a child being raped and didn't do anything, I'd be arrested (rightly) as a criminal. Yahweh does it every single day, and according to this logic that is "good".
 
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Every plan has it’s flaws but this plan is an improvement over my previous plans and by infiltrating the governments of the UK, Ireland, and France to get them to pass amendments making the true monarch the King the easiest and most legal way to put him on the throne, and infiltrating Turkey and Israel will cause Constantinople and the Holy Land to be liberated in an easy way that might prevent war.
Amendments to the constitution of Ireland require the populace to ratify them. You'd have to convince a majority of the people they want a king again. You'd have a hard time infiltrating the French government. It's not real popular so the people watch it like a hawk. The idea that you can convert the governments of Israel and Turkey to Catholicism is so stupid I think you might be living in a group home.
 
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