James Cameron's Avatar to get four sequels - The message will still be the same

[TVB]

It is boring and unnecessary, the plot just treads water with a few set ups for a potentially more interesting sequel next year. Positives is that Lang is still really good as Quaritch and it is a great experience in a decent theater but I'm not sure if that's worth the price of admission for most.

Still going to watch it to see how boring it really is. Again, I'm all up for a dare.

 

[Radola Gajda]

So far I heard one guy talk about it and he was pretty positive, but he is perfect consumer, he watched every capeshit that came out in last ten years. And loved it.

 

[TVB]

So far I heard one guy talk about it and he was pretty positive, but he is perfect consumer, he watched every capeshit that came out in last ten years. And loved it.

A typical Disney shill. Is he going to react in a negative way to find out the rumors of Apple buying Disney?

 

[Raging Capybara]

This is a gross oversimplification of Aliens. I have to wonder if you are deliberately trolling.

The bad human guys from Aliens and Avatar behave in the exact same manner, some lines of dialogue are almost a copy and paste.

You can't see it because of nostalgia or fanboyism. Cameron was always terrible at making bad guys, they're all awful or irrational monsters/robots.

 

[BrunoMattei]

The bad human guys from Aliens and Avatar behave in the exact same manner, some lines of dialogue are almost a copy and paste.

You can't see it because of nostalgia or fanboyism. Cameron was always terrible at making bad guys, they're all awful or irrational monsters/robots.

Sir, there will be no shit talking Aliens.

 

[TVB]

Sir, there will be no shit talking Aliens.

I did not care for Aliens. It INSISTS upon itself.

 

[BrunoMattei]

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I did not care for Aliens. It INSISTS upon itself.

I'm going to grab my Kenner Flying Alien Queen toy and throw it at your stupid ass.

 

[Ishtar]

The clear environmental message of these film is a bit too on the nose of me but whatever but I really can't stand how the message is betrayed by the story. The problem for me is that the Navi live in a environment without any real worry because the stupid planet supercomputer makes sure that the biosphere remains in balance. Humans don't have something so convent but it's even worse than that. We developed civilization as a way to survive in a harsh world where death is around every corner, overconsumption is just an unintended consequence of successes.

You can contrast the Navi with Humanity but presenting the Navi's way of life as superior is completely retarded unless Cameron thinks we should go back to living like savages. Someone should remind him that we don't a planet god or USB hair if he thinks that's a good idea. What Avatar needed was more balanced, not everything about our way of life is bad. Sure, we may have driven the mammoth to extinction and are addicted to oil but those infant mortality rates are looking pretty good, people don't die because of a cut and we can feed millions of people.

I read some spoilers for the franchise that may or may not be true. The Navi aren't savages, they are actually super advanced and the whole planet is their creation. They've just been larping as stone age hunter gatherers. Fantastic, the message now is that science can solve all your problems but science doesn't exist in a vacuum. Civilization and infrastructure are vital to progresses and the film straight up tell us how important the mining is the the future of Humanity.

Pandora clearly is meant to evoke Gaia as a concept. But you are correct, humans did not build civilization on a world with some sort of collective conscious that would both protect them and also prevent ecological devastation.

Perhaps an unintended message is for you to exist in harmony with the earth-not only must you live a stone age existence, but a super computer or deity is necessary to actually keep the system at peak harmony. While there are Gaia proponents in real life that argue this-no one actually thinks there is a sapient will that defends the earth's ecology and keeps it in a state of healthy growth and stability.

Ecological "balance" is not some new agey magic where everything is hunky dory-what that really means is none of the component parts devour the rest, predators die of sickness and competition, prey get eaten, natural cycles occur at such frequencies as to not disrupt the entire system, and so forth, organized chaos. Any of these countervailing elements could in certain circumstances overcome the others-but the system keeps itself by the multiple elements in constant competition at certain tempos and conditions.

Watch any nature documentary-"natural" life is ruthless and pitiless. You must either be the fastest gazelle or you get eaten, or the fastest lion or you starve. Either way you die and decompose, and the circle of life continues.

No wonder then that humanity built civilization to strive against and overcome the eternal battle royale that nature really is. We just ended up devastating the planet in the process. On Pandora-the struggle of life is mediated, its savagery tempered by a god that cares.

TLDR: Pandora's ecology is much gentler and less savage than what the RL "struggle of life" really entails. Humans have to deal with nature that cares not-where a mistake is not forgiven, where prey and predator must constantly outrun the other, where sometimes all you have to do to go extinct is just be a little slower, a little dumber, a little weaker. We overcame this, the Na'vi do not.

 

[ZehnBoat]

TLDR: Pandora's ecology is much gentler and less savage than what the RL "struggle of life" really entails. Humans have to deal with nature that cares not-where a mistake is not forgiven, where prey and predator must constantly outrun the other, where sometimes all you have to do to go extinct is just be a little slower, a little dumber, a little weaker. We overcame this, the Na'vi do not.

i would love a story where a one with nature creature like a na'vi has to live on another planet where you have to actually fight to survive

 

[74164978231]

I never really understood why humanity in the movie is in trouble, if they have the technology to do FTL space transit, can reach other systems in the galaxy, able to create organic copies of alien species and remote mindcontrol them.

Yeah thats one of the blaring logical blackholes of Avatar's world(and pretty much all sci fi in the past 20-30 years). The amount of energy it takes to travel at high fractions of the speed of light(let alone something as massive as the ship in Avatar) are insanely immense. Like the entire energy output of 2022 Earth levels. And thats just a single starship.

If you have the ability to harness that level of energy there is absolutely zero reason your society should be facing problems like lack of access to basic medical care(Oh you can clone sentient aliens thats are spliced with my dna that Im able to mind control but cant fix my spine? ok.jpg), pollution, climate issues etc.

 

[BrunoMattei]

Cam copy is out. That is all.

 

[Kel1 shi1]

Cam copy is out. That is all.

I noticed.

 

[mlanguishi]

Not even going to watch it for free, and I'm not even that impressed by the FX I saw skipping around. I frankly wasn't all that blown away by the first one's FX either.

 

[Kulee Baba]

Not even going to watch it for free, and I'm not even that impressed by the FX I saw skipping around. I frankly wasn't all that blown away by the first one's FX either.

As a little kid my parents would take me to the movies at least twice a month if not more. One of the strongest memories I have of that would be waking up Mom or Dad by shaking them because in my naive mind they wanted to be up to enjoy insipid kid movies like Flubber. They never minded it but man I wish today I had let them nap.

I bring this up because growing up I was determined to never sleep in a theater. I don't know why I had this mentality but I did, I'd willingly give myself a Brainfreeze via the theater Icee before dozing off. I'd stay up during the dullest political thriller to avoid sleep.

Avatar broke me, I found myself so fucking bored by all the long winded shots of Pandora I dozed off until one of the battle scenes woke me up.

I cannot muster up a single shit for Avatar 2, I recognize the technology Cameron employs is top notch but I can't emotionally empathize with any of these Blue Aliens. I'd be more interested in watching the making of and seeing how all the artists worked countless hours to animate a single hair strand.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

As a little kid my parents would take me to the movies at least twice a month if not more. One of the strongest memories I have of that would be waking up Mom or Dad by shaking them because in my naive mind they wanted to be up to enjoy insipid kid movies like Flubber. They never minded it but man I wish today I had let them nap.

I bring this up because growing up I was determined to never sleep in a theater. I don't know why I had this mentality but I did, I'd willingly give myself a Brainfreeze via the theater Icee before dozing off. I'd stay up during the dullest political thriller to avoid sleep.

Avatar broke me, I found myself so fucking bored by all the long winded shots of Pandora I dozed off until one of the battle scenes woke me up.

I cannot muster up a single shit for Avatar 2, I recognize the technology Cameron employs is top notch but I can't emotionally empathize with any of these Blue Aliens. I'd be more interested in watching the making of and seeing how all the artists worked countless hours to animate a single hair strand.

I miss the times where there were two worthwhile movies in a month. I don't think there were two movies I wanted to see the entire year.

 

[Kulee Baba]

I miss the times where there were two worthwhile movies in a month. I don't think there were two movies I wanted to see the entire year.

It's especially hard to muster up the interest in going to the theater when it feels like movies come out to Streaming a month or two after release.

Last film I saw in a movie theater was Once Upon A Time in Hollywood, and that's pre-covid. Not to mention I have a big 4K TV and while a massive film theater is still the best way to watch a classic it's not like the old days when we were watching shit on a 480p TV set.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

i heard they turned my nigga Quaritch into a furry as well. sad

Quaritch: "tell me James, how dose it feel to betray your own race?" how ironic.

RIP coffee Colnel

 

[Syaoran Li]

Anyone who thought a sequel to Avatar was a good idea needs to get their ass kicked. The first one wasn't that great IMHO, but I get why it got as big as it did back in 2009-2010, it was one of those "lightning in a bottle" things that was at the right place in the right time.

Cameron's trying to catch lightning in a bottle a second time, which is a fool's errand.

 

[WhiskeyJack]

Not even going to watch it for free, and I'm not even that impressed by the FX I saw skipping around. I frankly wasn't all that blown away by the first one's FX either.

I remember watching it and thinking the planet had way too little life on it. It's all jungle and about ten species that they bothered designing. Jackson's King Kong felt much more fleshed out, like a real ecology with bugs everywhere and not just a handful of animals they could be bothered rendering. Avatar has all this money put into it, but it feels extremely shallow, and not just because the story is crap. And visually, most of the FX just felt like one of those video games where they up the color saturation to max to hide how flat most of the textures are. Pandora is all neon glowing colors that just looks like a collage of DeviantArt landscape pics.

The only film to ever truly impress me with CGI FX was Jurassic Park, which I saw about 10 times in theaters back in '93. It looked real, and a huge departure from the decades of super-imposed lizards with shit glued to their heads I was used to. And even then, half the FX were animatronics or men in Raptor suits.

 

[Raging Capybara]

They are predicting 135kk for its opening weekend, it's kinda bad, I guess?

These projections even call for the sequel to make $475M domestically by the conclusion of its theatrical run, which is lower than earlier reports and about half of what Avatar made domestically.

There's no way to spin it as not a flop.