US JD Vance attacks Europe over free speech and migration - Euroids are coping and seething

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US Vice-President JD Vance has launched a scalding attack on European democracies, saying the greatest threat facing the continent was not from Russia and China, but "from within".

It had been expected that Vance would use his speech at the Munich Security Conference to address possible talks to end the war in Ukraine.

Instead, he spent the majority accusing European governments - including the UK's - of retreating from their values, and ignoring voter concerns on migration and free speech.

The address was met by silence in the hall, and later denounced by several politicians at the conference. German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius said it was "not acceptable".

Vance repeated the Trump administration's line that Europe must "step up in a big way to provide for its own defence".

The Ukraine war was mentioned, with Vance saying he hoped a "reasonable settlement" could be reached, after US President Donald Trump's surprise announcement earlier this week that he and Russia's Vladimir Putin had agreed to begin peace talks.

But Vance's address otherwise focused on culture-war issues and key themes of Trump's campaign for the US presidency - a departure from the usual security and defence discussions at the annual conference.

He alleged European Union "commissars" were suppressing free speech, blamed the continent for mass migration, and accused its leaders of retreating from "some of its most fundamental values".

The EU's foreign policy chief, Kaja Kallas, characterised Vance as "trying to pick a fight" with Europe, home to some of the US's closest allies.
Michael McFaul, the former US ambassador to Russia, told Politico Vance's remarks were "insulting" and "just empirically not true".
Vance used his 20-minute speech to single out several European nations, including the UK.

He raised a legal case in which an army veteran who silently prayed outside an abortion clinic was convicted of breaching an 150-metre safe zone around the centre.

The safe zone, introduced in October 2022, bans activity in favour or against abortion services, including protests, harassment and vigils.

But Vance argued that the "basic liberties of religious Britons, in particular" were under threat.

Vance went on to criticise the use of laws enforcing buffer zones, saying that free speech was in retreat and alleging that the Scottish government had warned people against private prayer within their own homes.

In response, the Scottish government said Vance's claim was "incorrect" and the law was "carefully drafted to capture only intentional or reckless behaviour close to a small number of premises providing abortion services".

Nine days before a tense national election in Germany, he touched on a heated debate in the country around mainstream political parties maintaining a so-called "firewall" of non-cooperation with the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party.

In the decades since democracy was restored in Germany after the defeat of the Nazis, there has been a consensus among its main political parties not to work with far-right parties.

"Democracy rests on the sacred principle that the voice of the people matters," Vance said. "There's no room for firewalls. You either uphold the principle or you don't."

The AfD's candidate for chancellor, Alice Weidel, later shared parts of his speech on X, praising it as "excellent". The two reportedly met afterwards, according to German public broadcaster ZDF.

In his own speech, Pistorius directly addressed Vance, saying: "Democracy was called into question by the US vice-president for the whole of Europe.

"He speaks of the annihilation of democracy," Pistorius continued. "And if I have understood him correctly, he is comparing conditions in parts of Europe with those in authoritarian regimes... that is not acceptable."

Vance also made reference to the presidential election in Romania, which was annulled in December after declassified documents suggested it had been targeted by Russian state interference.

Vance told the conference: "If your democracy can be destroyed with a few $100,000 of digital advertising from a foreign country, then it wasn't very strong to begin with."

Romanian Prime Minister Marcel Ciolacu said his country remains "a defender of the democratic values that Europe shares with the USA".

"All RO [Romanian] authorities are committed to organising free and fair elections by empowering citizens and guaranteeing the freedom to vote," he wrote on X.

Vance later met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on the sidelines of the conference, which has otherwise mainly focussed on Russia's full-scale invasion.

Zelensky said during the meeting that more work was needed on planning to end the fighting, while Vance said the pair shared a "fruitful" conversation.

Trump had said US, Russian and Ukrainian officials would meet in Munich, but Moscow has said it is not sending a delegation to the summit.
 
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No, they weren't eligible pre-invasion because of the dispute over Crimea being occupied.

And they certainly aren't eligible now with even more territory in dispute on top of an ongoing hot war.

Ukraine will never meet the prerequisites to join of having a stable and undisputed border and not being at war at the same time.

NATO is a defensive alliance, it can't be joined as a means to retroactively get reinforcements in an already-shooting situation. Its fire insurance, not the fire department.

Correct. These are among the reasons why I specifically referred to a pre-invasion joint military exercise. Once the Russian 'special military operation' kicked off, that went out the window.

It was ignorant and downright evil for our own government officials to have, on multiple occasions? Openly promised them membership. Somehow. They had to have known the rules did not allow it and simply didn't care or just thought "the right side of history" would somehow iron it all it for them.

Agreed, and we should've either not made those promises in the first place or made good on them.
 
I'm glad you sniveling faggots are angry. We're crushed under our own taxes footing the bill for YOUR defense so you can implement the luxuries of your botched, rotted NHS and anti-failure dole; so we're perfectly aware that this self righteous tantrum is an agonized, impotent scream because you know the free lunch is coming up to the chopping block. For you AND for the indignant Neo-Nobility that run the broken remains of your empires. Keep bearing teeth at the hand feeding you and see what happens.
 
Agreed, and we should've either not made those promises in the first place or made good on them.
The fact these were, IIRC, actual members of the State Department and Military advisors saying there was an imminent path to membership AFTER war broke out? Not just your typical stupid and senile old Senator who could be ultimately forgiven for not knowing NATO bylaws? Was what made it really noxious.

They were clearly telling Ukrainians to die harder for a promise they KNEW they couldn't keep.
 
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The fact these were, IIRC, actual members of the State Department and Military advisors saying there was an imminent path to membership AFTER war broke out? Not just your typical stupid and senile old Senator who could be ultimately forgiven for not knowing NATO bylaws? Was made it really noxious.

The only good thing that came out of it was Sweden and Finland basically giving Russia the finger and joining. That was its own clusterfuck, but it tightened control over the Baltic Sea significantly.

They were clearly telling Ukrainians to die harder for a promise they KNEW they couldn't keep.

That is 100% par for the course as relates to the previous administration's approach to all military and defence matters. "We know we fucked you over before the shooting started, but we'll totally not fuck you over again in the future! Pinky swear!"
 
The EU (meaning the political body, not the continent of Europe) was also aware of the emerging threat, but did bugger-fuck-all about it because Ukraine wasn't an EU member state.
There’s a few other reasons:
1. They really really want ‘an EU army.’ This was going to be the rallying cry for it, except of course no one wants to be drafted to fight for Ukraine. So that has failed. For now. The USA pulling troops out may reignited that push.
2. There was ‘dodgy stuff’ going on in Ukraine - many rumours of labs where unqualified bio weapons type work was going on, some running weapons both hard and chemical through the Black Sea, the usual laundering and corruption, and a lot of human trafficking (see that article this week about a human egg farm in Georgia? That kind of thing.) a lot of powerful people made a lot of money out of Ukraine being chaotic.
 
All the yerps are capable of anymore is pissing into the wind, so that's what they did in response to Vance

They're militarily weak, economically weak, socially weak, all they're good at is importing shitskins and repressing their native populations, and they expect to be treated like they're the opposite of all that. For all the bullshit Murica has put itself through since 1989 it still has a huge stockpile of strength and respect for liberty that Yerp does not, although if the establishment keeps on its course the populists over there will eventually grow strong enough to at least have the chance to change that
 
Criticizing European "freedom of speech" on one hand and actively siccing college students for exercising Wrong Opinions on the other
Vance is still a massive shill for censorship when it goes against Neoliberal Americanism, he will not hesitate to deport Palestine supporters for being "un-American" because they'd rather not be sent to die for a Jewish colony. He hates Europe because Europe is turning on Israel in real time, never forget that
They're militarily weak, economically weak, socially weak, all they're good at is importing shitskins and repressing their native populations, and they expect to be treated like they're the opposite of all that
Yes because it's the saintly Anglo and European races that are importing the "shitskins" to conveniently make way for instability and more space in the Mid East, no one else wants this surely!
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Also Vance is a faggot LOL
 
There’s a few other reasons:
1. They really really want ‘an EU army.’ This was going to be the rallying cry for it, except of course no one wants to be drafted to fight for Ukraine. So that has failed. For now. The USA pulling troops out may reignited that push.

Agreed. The B-side of that: the EU can only really accomplish that effectively if NATO member countries leave and join the European Defence Agency (or whatever ends up replacing it in this situation). The EU has been pushing for this for at least 20 years at this point and it's a truly fucking awful idea.

2. There was ‘dodgy stuff’ going on in Ukraine - many rumours of labs where unqualified bio weapons type work was going on, some running weapons both hard and chemical through the Black Sea, the usual laundering and corruption, and a lot of human trafficking (see that article this week about a human egg farm in Georgia? That kind of thing.) a lot of powerful people made a lot of money out of Ukraine being chaotic.

Oh, definitely, and I'm pretty far from believing that Ukraine was an innocent little angel before it was invaded. But Putin's trying to put the band back together in terms of recreating the USSR (or something at least close to it) and being remembered as the Peter the Great of this millennium after he's gone. The EU will never stand up to him in any sort of meaningful way, and he knows it.
 
I would 100% be in support of air dropping guns over certain parts of Europe just to give them reasonable shot at resisting some of their officials. I mean 99.99% of them would hand them in and post on social media about how scary they were and how evil the Americans were for giving them guns and I look forward to those human cattle being turned into sausage and sold to me.

I get the most pissed about Britain and Australia and Canada when it comes to foreign countries being self destructive and pathetic, I think it's half a "there but for the grace of God" thing and half a " I am forced to comprehend them because they speak the same language as me" thing. Like when Germany is being verminous and self flagellating I only see it if I want to, unless I'm looking for translated German news updates it just looks like silly scribbles and I don't have to hear about the latest news of hans and Karl getting stabbed to death by a muzzy at a gay club while they were at looking for dick.

I would vote and walk door to door advocating for our government to air drop guns over the U.K in particular. Especially after their next case of little girls being ground into kebab meat.
 
I'm not sure anyone really stopped trying for negotiations, Russia had just typically been against the idea as they wanted to treat Ukraine as unnecessary for such talks. It's why some people were seriously concerned that the peace talks Trump has been talking about may 'not' involve one of the countries actually involved in the war, since that's honestly what Russia had been arguing for.
Ukraine ain't paying no bills around here, they don't have a say
 
A month ago, I would have said "JD can go fuck himself, keep your yank politics out of Europe", just like when Elon was spouting off.
lol Why though? Europe has been a fucked up shithole for more than a month. Vance didnt even talk about what a dangerous shithole Sweden has turned into with its gang shootings and grenade attacks. Or that autistic girl that was harassed and terrified by the police for saying a dyke looks like a dyke. As long as you guys continue to be welfare niggers with our money you are in no position to tell us to keep our politics at home.
 
lol Why though? Europe has been a fucked up shithole for more than a month. Vance didnt even talk about what a dangerous shithole Sweden has turned into with its gang shootings and grenade attacks. Or that autistic girl that was harassed and terrified by the police for saying a dyke looks like a dyke. As long as you guys continue to be welfare niggers with our money you are in no position to tell us to keep our politics at home.
Because if your friend is a retard, you can call him a mong, fuckwad and spastic. But if another person comes along and insults your friend, you defend them. That is, until you find out your retarded friend is Keyser Soze and he's been robbing you blind, feeding your kids to paki rape gangs and wants you dead.

Seeing what was once all theory and conjecture, written down, in real time, acknowledged by one of the biggest heads of state in the world, changes ones perspective.
 
No, they weren't eligible pre-invasion because of the dispute over Crimea being occupied.

And they certainly aren't eligible now with even more territory in dispute on top of an ongoing hot war.

Ukraine will never meet the prerequisites to join of having a stable and undisputed border and not being at war at the same time.

NATO is a defensive alliance, it can't be joined as a means to retroactively get reinforcements in an already-shooting situation. Its fire insurance, not the fire department.

It was ignorant and downright evil for our own government officials to have, on multiple occasions? Openly promised them membership. Somehow. They had to have known the rules did not allow it and simply didn't care or just thought "the right side of history" would somehow iron it all it for them.
They thought Russia wouldn't call their bluff.

They were wrong.
 
I would 100% be in support of air dropping guns over certain parts of Europe just to give them reasonable shot at resisting some of their officials. I mean 99.99% of them would hand them in and post on social media about how scary they were and how evil the Americans were for giving them guns and I look forward to those human cattle being turned into sausage and sold to me.

I get the most pissed about Britain and Australia and Canada when it comes to foreign countries being self destructive and pathetic, I think it's half a "there but for the grace of God" thing and half a " I am forced to comprehend them because they speak the same language as me" thing. Like when Germany is being verminous and self flagellating I only see it if I want to, unless I'm looking for translated German news updates it just looks like silly scribbles and I don't have to hear about the latest news of hans and Karl getting stabbed to death by a muzzy at a gay club while they were at looking for dick.

I would vote and walk door to door advocating for our government to air drop guns over the U.K in particular. Especially after their next case of little girls being ground into kebab meat.
It would depend on where you dropped them. The cities would need to be avoided, for a start, since they are mostly bughives full of shitskins and faggots, as they are in most Western nations.
 
I would 100% be in support of air dropping guns over certain parts of Europe just to give them reasonable shot at resisting some of their officials. I mean 99.99% of them would hand them in and post on social media about how scary they were and how evil the Americans were for giving them guns and I look forward to those human cattle being turned into sausage and sold to me.

I get the most pissed about Britain and Australia and Canada when it comes to foreign countries being self destructive and pathetic, I think it's half a "there but for the grace of God" thing and half a " I am forced to comprehend them because they speak the same language as me" thing. Like when Germany is being verminous and self flagellating I only see it if I want to, unless I'm looking for translated German news updates it just looks like silly scribbles and I don't have to hear about the latest news of hans and Karl getting stabbed to death by a muzzy at a gay club while they were at looking for dick.

I would vote and walk door to door advocating for our government to air drop guns over the U.K in particular. Especially after their next case of little girls being ground into kebab meat.
One condition: we airdrop L85's into the England. And no, not the upgraded "fixed" versions that might feel generous and actually work.
 
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