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I have fallen out of love with lifting for some reason - maybe because it doesn't offer enough of a distraction the way running does. Both require focus, but running is particularly meditative. Anyway, I've upped my running volume substantially in recent weeks and feel very good. I'm having fun. Thirty, fourty mile weeks. Hill sprints. The whole thing. I used to be, like, 210lbs and completely retarded, supine at all times; now look at me. Running around. Thank fuck.
 
I started C25K month ago after not doing cardio for a decade and was struggling with joint pain and muscle pain from being fatter and older. I was suggested to do a foam roller routine and it made a huge difference, it's like a massage that only takes a few minutes. I wish I found out about years ago.
I also switched to surplus German military trail runners, cheapest running shoe I ever had and easily the best.
 
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Kiwi frens, how long would you recommend training for a half marathon? I've just started my running journey with an aim to run a half-marathon next year and not die.
Needs way more details. You could be a 40 yrs old couch potato that's at 30BMI+ and spikes to almost max HR from just fast walking or slow jogging. Or you could be a 25 yrs old 22 BMI volleyball player that trains 5 times/week, eats healthily and has a very active life.
The differences would be huge between these 2 cases.
Running HMs is not that hard, but you have to still get your body in a good enough shape for your bones and articulations to handle it, you have to understand the pace that you can sustain and for how long, have to understand how well you can deal with lactic acid accumulation, how to control your breathing and HR and more.
 
Needs way more details. You could be a 40 yrs old couch potato that's at 30BMI+ and spikes to almost max HR from just fast walking or slow jogging. Or you could be a 25 yrs old 22 BMI volleyball player that trains 5 times/week, eats healthily and has a very active life.
The differences would be huge between these 2 cases.
Running HMs is not that hard, but you have to still get your body in a good enough shape for your bones and articulations to handle it, you have to understand the pace that you can sustain and for how long, have to understand how well you can deal with lactic acid accumulation, how to control your breathing and HR and more.
I'm early 30s, 20 BMI, gym a couple times a week, walk everywhere, but have never been much of a runner. I've been trying to get my fitness/capacity up on a treadmill, but I know that running outside is quite a different beast!
 
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I'm early 30s, 20 BMI, gym a couple times a week, walk everywhere, but have never been much of a runner. I've been trying to get my fitness/capacity up on a treadmill, but I know that running outside is quite a different beast!
Large wall-o-text incoming.
Most runners will have some strong preference for either outside or inside running, outside can be harder since you don't have the band going by itself underneath you, but if you do some incline fast pace running on a treadmill you'll get to the point where it's just as hard. I prefer outside because it's less constant and forces some adaptations due to various surfaces and weathers.
If you want to just gauge your fitness levels, you'll first need a HR monitor of sorts and to determine your HR max, which can be difficult, but for you as a beginner you should be able to spike it to max in an all out effort. Most sportswatches will give you a VO2max figure; various brands have their own tests too, Polar for example has a Fitness Test that you can do at rest (might not map well on running VO2max), Running Test and more. HRV should give you an estimation of cardiovascular health/fitness too, something like a cheststrap works best for that.
As for your HM, early 30s with that BMI you should have a relatively easy time. How much you weigh is very important for running, as the heavier you are the more work your heart and muscles must perform to push you ahead, and 20 BMI is pretty light. If you haven't run yet it'll still be (very) hard for a week or two, and will slowly get more and more pleasant as your body adapts - you'll notice that in your lowered HR during runs at the same pace and plenty of other adaptations.
Basically all brands that have running watches have plans you can follow, from Garmin to Coros to Polar and more. Many of these plans are well done but might be difficult to follow for beginners, because they'll ask that you run long runs and easy runs inside your lower HR zones, and for beginners that's just not gonna be possible, you'll have to either walk or just accept that for months (depends on your levels of couch potato) your runs, even slow ones, will be in the higher HR zones and even a jog will get your legs heavy with lactic.
You can just follow one of those plans, there should be apps you can download that do it even without a wearable, but it's better if you can see your HR to more accurately estimate effort.
Another option is to just go by ear, and instead of delaying "until the proper time", just start running. Get some proper shoes. And go out and go. Increase mileage slowly by 10%-ish per week. Control your pace, don't go all out, your hard runs should be rare and rather short, 20% of your training. Most runs you should be able to maintain for an hour and speak through it, even if your breathing is deep and labored. Conserve energy, your goal is to last long enough, increase resistance to fatigue, adapt body at dealing better with lactic acid.
Running form and efficiency are very important too. You'll slowly learn a lot of tricks, you'll learn to land on the ball of your feet, not on the heel, you'll learn to not overstride, to increase cadence, to stay tall, proper hips and arms movement. All contributes to your form, and bad form leads to injuries and less efficiency. With fatigue, form decreases, so it gets hard to maintain over longer runs.
Don't go fast. Just go chill even if it looks stupid and other runners whizz past you. Give yourself a few good months to adapt to 20km runs. 2-3 months in you should be able to run HMs alone so you can understand what it takes. You have to understand the pace you can sustain, or you'll hit a wall if you go too fast in the race, and either give up or walk to the end like a zombie.
Oh, and most running problems can be solved by more running, that's most important I think. 5 days/week is OK. As you get more experienced you'll be able to run 6 days, and if you get good, you'll be able to run each day, and recover through lighter, short runs, instead of not running. Keep in mind that detraining is quite fast, especially in beginners. So if you run for 1 month and make good progress, and take a week off, you will have a few worse runs for sure.
Eat and sleep well. Running is very taxing for the body. You have to give your muscles and cardio system time to recover. You'll be able to measure fatigue through HRV.
There are a million things to say about running, but for your HM, simply get shoes and start going out to run.
Be careful with the shoes you choose, if you can visit running store, do so. They have to be a bit bigger in size, if you get them with a very tight fit your fingers and nails will suffer. Badly - loss of fingernails and eternal black nails and blisters are common. Other injuries like shin splints are also common with beginners.
Best of luck and let us know what you chose to do
 
Why are so few people liking running these days?
When most people think of running they think of boring treadmill runs or doing sprints as punishment while playing a different sport. Unfortunately people judge running based on this and don't realize how nice a log moderately-paced run can be, especially if you go to a park or somewhere pretty. I've recently come around from being a "running sucks and I hate it" person to someone who craves a good long run to clear my head.

Protip for beginners: start slow. Like, REALLY slow. So slow you that it feels absurd. Focus on distance rather than speed. Then work on speeding up later. Your joints, tendons, and ligaments will thank you.
 
Then work on speeding up later.
How? I can walk faster than my club's star (male) athlete and keep the pace for 20 km, cycle 400 km (farther than that and my ass aches, legs are still ok), row or ski a marathon. But running fast more than 100 m or jogging for more than 20 minutes kills me. I can train to jog 3 km; I'm still hopping almost in place like a retarded rabbit and it's no fun at all.
 
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Large wall-o-text incoming.
Most runners will have some strong preference for either outside or inside running, outside can be harder since you don't have the band going by itself underneath you, but if you do some incline fast pace running on a treadmill you'll get to the point where it's just as hard. I prefer outside because it's less constant and forces some adaptations due to various surfaces and weathers.
If you want to just gauge your fitness levels, you'll first need a HR monitor of sorts and to determine your HR max, which can be difficult, but for you as a beginner you should be able to spike it to max in an all out effort. Most sportswatches will give you a VO2max figure; various brands have their own tests too, Polar for example has a Fitness Test that you can do at rest (might not map well on running VO2max), Running Test and more. HRV should give you an estimation of cardiovascular health/fitness too, something like a cheststrap works best for that.
As for your HM, early 30s with that BMI you should have a relatively easy time. How much you weigh is very important for running, as the heavier you are the more work your heart and muscles must perform to push you ahead, and 20 BMI is pretty light. If you haven't run yet it'll still be (very) hard for a week or two, and will slowly get more and more pleasant as your body adapts - you'll notice that in your lowered HR during runs at the same pace and plenty of other adaptations.
Basically all brands that have running watches have plans you can follow, from Garmin to Coros to Polar and more. Many of these plans are well done but might be difficult to follow for beginners, because they'll ask that you run long runs and easy runs inside your lower HR zones, and for beginners that's just not gonna be possible, you'll have to either walk or just accept that for months (depends on your levels of couch potato) your runs, even slow ones, will be in the higher HR zones and even a jog will get your legs heavy with lactic.
You can just follow one of those plans, there should be apps you can download that do it even without a wearable, but it's better if you can see your HR to more accurately estimate effort.
Another option is to just go by ear, and instead of delaying "until the proper time", just start running. Get some proper shoes. And go out and go. Increase mileage slowly by 10%-ish per week. Control your pace, don't go all out, your hard runs should be rare and rather short, 20% of your training. Most runs you should be able to maintain for an hour and speak through it, even if your breathing is deep and labored. Conserve energy, your goal is to last long enough, increase resistance to fatigue, adapt body at dealing better with lactic acid.
Running form and efficiency are very important too. You'll slowly learn a lot of tricks, you'll learn to land on the ball of your feet, not on the heel, you'll learn to not overstride, to increase cadence, to stay tall, proper hips and arms movement. All contributes to your form, and bad form leads to injuries and less efficiency. With fatigue, form decreases, so it gets hard to maintain over longer runs.
Don't go fast. Just go chill even if it looks stupid and other runners whizz past you. Give yourself a few good months to adapt to 20km runs. 2-3 months in you should be able to run HMs alone so you can understand what it takes. You have to understand the pace you can sustain, or you'll hit a wall if you go too fast in the race, and either give up or walk to the end like a zombie.
Oh, and most running problems can be solved by more running, that's most important I think. 5 days/week is OK. As you get more experienced you'll be able to run 6 days, and if you get good, you'll be able to run each day, and recover through lighter, short runs, instead of not running. Keep in mind that detraining is quite fast, especially in beginners. So if you run for 1 month and make good progress, and take a week off, you will have a few worse runs for sure.
Eat and sleep well. Running is very taxing for the body. You have to give your muscles and cardio system time to recover. You'll be able to measure fatigue through HRV.
There are a million things to say about running, but for your HM, simply get shoes and start going out to run.
Be careful with the shoes you choose, if you can visit running store, do so. They have to be a bit bigger in size, if you get them with a very tight fit your fingers and nails will suffer. Badly - loss of fingernails and eternal black nails and blisters are common. Other injuries like shin splints are also common with beginners.
Best of luck and let us know what you chose to do
This is amazing, thank you so much for the detail, I really appreciate it!

I've started out on the tread just running at a slow and steady pace for as long as I can. Once spring's over I'll start running outside, but I think some kind of heartrate monitor would be useful (as you say), since I can definitely feel myself just wanting to run faster and faster even on the tread. I think keeping within my limits outside would be tricky without some way to gauge my exertion. Also, I'm pretty sure there are a lot of things wrong with my form currently (I definitely don't run on the ball of my feet naturally) so I'll definitely need to put some work in there too!
 
@Sienna Fuegonasus Small tip, if the weather is cold-ish, you will run better than in the Spring-Summer when it gets hotter. Running is most pleasant when you don't have to deal with the sun, dehydration and heat above 20C or so, as your heart will need to pump faster to increase perspiration and keep your insides from getting too warm. It also tends to work harder when it's really cold. If you're a beginner, it's also better to get in a bit of shape in the winter, especially if you will run inside a city, as the "bad" weather means the roads and tracks will be mostly empty. In the summer you'll either have to run nights/morning, or you'll probably deal with families with children and agglomeration. It's also not pleasant to look like you're a boiled crab, all red in the face and huffing, many beginner runners get discouraged because of idiots looking at them the wrong way (and they will).
 
@Sienna Fuegonasus Small tip, if the weather is cold-ish, you will run better than in the Spring-Summer when it gets hotter. Running is most pleasant when you don't have to deal with the sun, dehydration and heat above 20C or so, as your heart will need to pump faster to increase perspiration and keep your insides from getting too warm. It also tends to work harder when it's really cold. If you're a beginner, it's also better to get in a bit of shape in the winter, especially if you will run inside a city, as the "bad" weather means the roads and tracks will be mostly empty. In the summer you'll either have to run nights/morning, or you'll probably deal with families with children and agglomeration. It's also not pleasant to look like you're a boiled crab, all red in the face and huffing, many beginner runners get discouraged because of idiots looking at them the wrong way (and they will).
Excellent advice. I live in kangaroo land, so we're done with cold weather for the next five or so months, but I'm pretty good at getting up early and should be able to sneak an outdoor jog in every now and then at dawn on the cooler summer days. Unfortunately, my skin is very fair, so most anything that really gets my heart rate up brings on the boiled crab aesthetic, regardless of heat or sun. Can't win them all!
 
Running on a treadmill for 5-10k while listening to music is a fun way to zone out. I recently tried using an assault treadmill, and now I think I prefer them. They just seem to do less damage to your feet somehow. Also you can change your speed drastically in only a handful of steps, so if you want to sprint out the chorus of a song and realise your about to cook yourself it's no drama. On a regular treadmill you simply won't even try to hit the same speeds.

What I'm saying is if your feet muscles get sore on long runs then it's worth trying out for a change sometime.
 
I'm not a great runner but I try to do at least a mile on the treadmill before hitting the machines / weights at the gym. I do a program on the treadmill that varies the incline so I feel like I'm getting a little more of a challenge. I've also been able to bump up the speed a half a mile an hour which I was happy with. Last night I was having some knee issues (I've had knee issues since I was seventeen since I have garbage joints) but they're gone today. Gotta stretch a little more I think.

Is there a good way to tell if your shoes are causing issues, versus other factors? I've had the same running shoes for a couple of years now (so they're due for a replacement) and in the past I've just bought whatever felt comfortable on the store machine, but there are so many options for shoes anymore it makes my head spin.
 
I'm not a great runner but I try to do at least a mile on the treadmill before hitting the machines / weights at the gym. I do a program on the treadmill that varies the incline so I feel like I'm getting a little more of a challenge. I've also been able to bump up the speed a half a mile an hour which I was happy with. Last night I was having some knee issues (I've had knee issues since I was seventeen since I have garbage joints) but they're gone today. Gotta stretch a little more I think.

Is there a good way to tell if your shoes are causing issues, versus other factors? I've had the same running shoes for a couple of years now (so they're due for a replacement) and in the past I've just bought whatever felt comfortable on the store machine, but there are so many options for shoes anymore it makes my head spin.

I'd say it depends what kind of shoe you currently have. If they're run of the mill, generic running shoes (let's pretend they're $50 Skechers off a dept store rack) there's a good chance that you would be able to go back to a similar pair and avoid pain/discomfort. If you're looking for a different brand or if you're just getting caught up in the categories they have for running shoes now, I'd say just grab a shoe that's categorized as "neutral", since it's simple and won't impact the way you run in a significant way. Go with the best fit and if you're set on using the next pair for the next couple of years grab the pair that looks/sounds the best structurally, otherwise you'll be disappointed when they start to fall apart a couple of months down the road. If you're looking to keep it cheap definitely avoid the newer models, especially ones rated for racing. They tend to be far lighter and pretty sensitive to repeated use in training.

As a poorfag kid that ran for fun a whole lot I was able to stretch shoes out for probably hundreds of miles over any recommended use, while staying comfortable, but eventually it'll catch up to you. In your case with knee issues it could be the worn shoes aggravating your joints, it could be the lack of stretching, could be the treadmill running itself (knees are a bitch). Definitely start with the shoes and keep stretching, but if it keeps coming up after that then you'll know it's a bigger problem.
 
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