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What's bad knees? Is there a specific illness? Rheumatism? Past surgeries? Obesity? Or just pain, which is inherent after a few decades of sedentarism and chronic inflammation.
You should never force things and you should always start very slow. Don't set goals. Just go out and walk fast, and then run a bit, see how you feel.
Why do you wanna run? Just to prove something? Or you wanna keep in shape? Lose weight? If it's just a short term thing, the training for a mile is rather insignificant, even really out of shape people are able to do it. If it's something like the keep in shape/lose weight long term goals, it's very important to keep comfy and not burn yourself out or get yourself discouraged by trying too much too soon, and just plan on having fun.
Man you runners are intense. haha
It's someone with worn meniscus (meniscuses? meniscea?) in both knees from lots of hiking when they were younger. They want to try running more for lung strengthening. I also want to know and the reason I asked is because I never see the pretty old lady at my gym running, I think she only swims, so I was wondering if higher-impact exercises just aren't something you can start at that age.
 
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i had almost forgotten about this thread!

i recently logged my 320th run with one of my two running clubs. with the 80 runs that i wasn't able to sign in for because the facility that hosts the club was closed due to covid, i've now run 400 weekly 10k's, which just kinda makes me happy. i didn't start running with the other club until after covid, and i still run by myself, too, but there's just something satisfying about seeing that number increase every time i log in at the club.

@NoReturn, it's menisci when you're referring to the anatomy in general (the menisci), and meniscuses when you're referring to or comparing the left and right meniscus of an individual (his or her meniscuses).

as far as taking up running for someone who is older, it can certainly be done, but there are some considerations. first, women tend to have more ankle, knee, and hip issues from running due to the discrepancy between the width of their stance/stride and the width of their hips, which creates torque on the lateral and medial aspects of those joints. think of the lower body as a chain, with each joint being a link. men tend to run with their feet directly under their hips, keeping all of the links in a nice straight line, where the force of the exertion on the joints can be distributed more evenly. women, however, tend to run (and hike, and walk) with their feet closer together, which pulls each link in towards the center from the hips down. over time, the force that is exerted on those misaligned links creates damage to the bones and connective tissues, with the knees usually being the weakest links. when menesci are damaged in this manner, it's usually not uniform damage, and it typically requires surgical intervention to correct. if a woman with this kind of damage wants to run, i would highly suggest that it be a moderate distance, at low intensity, and on a level and forgiving surface, such as a track field or gravel path. asphalt is acceptable, but avoid running on concrete.

running for women can help with bone density (and consequentially, joint health) but it's kind of a use-it-or-lose-it proposition. if they begin running when they are younger, the weight-bearing impact can help their bones create a more dense matrix (osteogenesis), which is then filled with minerals supplied by their diet. as they age, the matrix is still there, but it becomes more difficult for their bodies to absorb and maintain the mineral density for that matrix. this is why it becomes so important to continue weight-bearing activities, to maintain the bone density and connective tissue strength and resilience that has already been created. this is why you'll see older women lifting light to moderate weight and swimming, instead of taking up running or high-impact, high-intensity activities. for most women of an older age, the goal is maintenance.

unfortunately, if women do not have a solid foundation by the time that nutritional and hormonal changes begin to happen, it is very difficult to alter those deficits, and the result is conditions such as osteoporosis.

i know that this is the running thread, but if it's lung capacity and resilience, along with physical activity that an older woman is interested in, i would highly suggest swimming. not only will in help with cardiovascular fitness, strength, endurance, and flexibility, but there is a special kind of breathing rhythm that happens with swimming. when you're running, your breathing changes to accommodate all sorts of variables (intensity, heat, fatigue). you can breathe as fast or as deep as you feel like you need to, and it takes some time and effort to become disciplined in breath control. but when you swim, you can only breathe by turning your head when one arm is lifted, so your breathing is primarily dictated by your stroke. there are fewer variables, and, at least in my experience, finding a deep breathing rhythm is almost intrinsic. and, water is nice to knees.
 
Man you runners are intense. haha
It's someone with worn meniscus (meniscuses? meniscea?) in both knees from lots of hiking when they were younger. They want to try running more for lung strengthening. I also want to know and the reason I asked is because I never see the pretty old lady at my gym running, I think she only swims, so I was wondering if higher-impact exercises just aren't something you can start at that age.
Medical issues require qualified medical advice, which is impossible to give in forums, we don't want to complicate things and aggravate a medical condition, so these questions are required.
There are (some) studies suggesting that getting knee injuries/knee getting "worn down" running are myths, and in fact the opposite is true, but I'm not fully convinced, everything in the body can be overused from personal experience.
If we are dealing with somebody at a respectable age, like 55+, maybe overweight, maybe with the afferent cardiopulmonary issues of that age, walking is definitely the preferable start. A spinning bike is also very useful for cardio and protects frail joints from impact, which you cannot avoid in running. You will get knee pain, muscle pain, DOMS, torn muscles, even microfractures. Most older women have osteoporosis due to the menopause and hormones evaporating. So a medic needs to check the patient and decide what exercise is fitting. Biking outside is also OK, but the issue is that it is very risky, especially when older and with diminished vision, and accidents are common and result in serious bone fractures. To make use of outside biking, you need to push it, and that means high speed--->increased risk. Spinning stationary bikes are safe.
So walking and spinning, swimming, until a medical check. Running can be started, cautiously, as slow jogging, for a small distance. Stop and evaluate after 200-500m. Running will be more efficient when it comes to increasing cardiopulmonary performance, but yeah, it's riskier too, and it will likely discourage older people new to it due to the unavoidable pain that's basically a constant with this sport. Knees, muscles, joints, you'll always suffer some pain as a regular runner. You break them muscles down, eat like mad, sleep like mad, and rebuild stronger.
 
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i know that this is the running thread, but if it's lung capacity and resilience, along with physical activity that an older woman is interested in, i would highly suggest swimming. not only will in help with cardiovascular fitness, strength, endurance, and flexibility, but there is a special kind of breathing rhythm that happens with swimming. when you're running, your breathing changes to accommodate all sorts of variables (intensity, heat, fatigue). you can breathe as fast or as deep as you feel like you need to, and it takes some time and effort to become disciplined in breath control. but when you swim, you can only breathe by turning your head when one arm is lifted, so your breathing is primarily dictated by your stroke. there are fewer variables, and, at least in my experience, finding a deep breathing rhythm is almost intrinsic. and, water is nice to knees.
If we are dealing with somebody at a respectable age, like 55+, maybe overweight, maybe with the afferent cardiopulmonary issues of that age, walking is definitely the preferable start. A spinning bike is also very useful for cardio and protects frail joints from impact, which you cannot avoid in running. You will get knee pain, muscle pain, DOMS, torn muscles, even microfractures. Most older women have osteoporosis due to the menopause and hormones evaporating. So a medic needs to check the patient and decide what exercise is fitting. Biking outside is also OK, but the issue is that it is very risky, especially when older and with diminished vision, and accidents are common and result in serious bone fractures. To make use of outside biking, you need to push it, and that means high speed--->increased risk. Spinning stationary bikes are safe.
Thank you to both, I'll pass all this along next time I talk to her. Looks like I'll let her know the "internet people" recommend sticking with pool and stationary bike, rather than taking up running. All this also explains why old ladies do so much powerwalking, too.
 
Runnings for fags, lift weights.
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Honestly, I think walking but on a high incline is the best. Works out your legs and gives you a hell of a heartrate. It's been working for me.
Doing hills is one of the most hated yet efficient running activities that is guaranteed to fuck you up real good. Recommended for max HR tests for athletes that would otherwise have difficulties reaching their max HR on flat terrain. It also works more muscle groups than flat terrain running. This is why it's really good to do some track running whenever you can through the woods etc. adds lots of variety
 
Anyone got any recommendations for making treadmill workouts bearable? The smoke's got me cooped up inside and running my lsd on a treadmil today sucked ass.
 
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Anyone got any recommendations for making treadmill workouts bearable? The smoke's got me cooped up inside and running my lsd on a treadmil today sucked ass.
Headphones, podcast, monitor/TV in front.
Wildfires? What's lsd though? Are you really running while on hallucinogens?
 
Yup, Air quality index of almost 600 on Saturday for my area.

Long slow distance :story: I'm training for a half-marathon in October. Even without the acid, it's the highlight of my weekend.
That means that you should be like beginning of a HM plan or mid if you extended it over many months. Wildfires and summer with likely high temps are quite the hostile environment for training, but on the positive if the fires stop by the time the race time comes in Oct your performance will be way up from the summer heatwave runs.
Put a fan in front of the treadmill if you have. Put 3 if you have them and it's hot.
And that's about it, just try to fight the boredom off with something you like to watch or listen to, not much choice.
Also lol my mind is on drugs in the running thread
 
Nothing mad to report, no point making a couple target brag posts and not following up.
3 runs/ 1 weights so far this week. 5k track max hr, 3k treadmill low hr, 8k trail run max hr.
I'm going to gradually increase to 10k before xmas. Then marathon training starts.
I can see and feel my target pace is possible. My diet is steady and planned out now and weirdly enough short trainer socks have made a huge difference, I can't believe how much normal socks were cutting circulation in my calves before.

Next change I think will be a struggle, adding in 1 or 2 k as soon as I wake up. I've been waking with heavy legs but changing sock height has started to reduce that.
 
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@AgendaPoster I am posting here from the weightloss thread.

So I think I have all of that except for the running watch. I do have an old Timex with a heartrate monitor. Will that work? Also, do those fancy scales work? I have a basic digital scale.
 
@AgendaPoster I am posting here from the weightloss thread.

So I think I have all of that except for the running watch. I do have an old Timex with a heartrate monitor. Will that work? Also, do those fancy scales work? I have a basic digital scale.
You don't need fancy scale, just one that you can use to track trends, it's not important if you're 15% body fat or 13%. It's important that the trend is towards more muscle, less fat. That means daily weighing at the same time, like after waking up and bathroom.
Old Timex is too ambiguous. You can post some pics/model. What's the HR monitor? A cheststrap? That's ideal. If it still works. Optical sensor from watch also OK, just less accurate. Each has issues and can derp at times, but you have time to care later about it. For now you can just go out and do some test run see how it goes, when you feel like it. Don't push hard, no point, there's gonna be a time for speed too.
 
You don't need fancy scale, just one that you can use to track trends, it's not important if you're 15% body fat or 13%. It's important that the trend is towards more muscle, less fat. That means daily weighing at the same time, like after waking up and bathroom.
Old Timex is too ambiguous. You can post some pics/model. What's the HR monitor? A cheststrap? That's ideal. If it still works. Optical sensor from watch also OK, just less accurate. Each has issues and can derp at times, but you have time to care later about it. For now you can just go out and do some test run see how it goes, when you feel like it. Don't push hard, no point, there's gonna be a time for speed too.
Could you recommend a scale? the timex is a timex T5G951 heart rate monitor
 
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That's positively ancient. There should be a cheststrap for it. Almost no data online for the combo, but since it's 2010s, there is no app or anything for the device so you'll have to keep things manual. Alternatively, you could try to pair the cheststrap with your phone, for example with Strava. There's a chance it might have ANT+, but your phone will have to have it too. Overall, it might not be worth your time if you're not into fiddling with electronics for little gain. There's also a chance the electrodes from the strap are dead, as these straps are like consumables, sweat and humidity eventually kill them. Also, probably batteries are dead so you will have to replace.
As for a scale, almost anything can work. Just get some budget Chinese thing if you wanna save, again,. no point investing for now, just start running and you'll see later.
I have some cheap Huawei thing at home and it's in 1% of a DEXA scan (medically accurate thing) for body fat and for weight it's 99% accurate. If money is not an issue and you wanna stay within the ecosystem of some brand, Garmin has some stuff too, but it's like 200usd vs 50 or something. Not really an expert in scales.
Eventually, you'll want a running watch that's reliable and can actually help you track your progress and fitness. Sadly the low end segment is pretty unrepresented, so things start around 250USD, with watches like Coros Pace 3 and Huawei GT Runner.
But first, just run
 
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That's positively ancient. There should be a cheststrap for it. Almost no data online for the combo, but since it's 2010s, there is no app or anything for the device so you'll have to keep things manual. Alternatively, you could try to pair the cheststrap with your phone, for example with Strava. There's a chance it might have ANT+, but your phone will have to have it too. Overall, it might not be worth your time if you're not into fiddling with electronics for little gain. There's also a chance the electrodes from the strap are dead, as these straps are like consumables, sweat and humidity eventually kill them. Also, probably batteries are dead so you will have to replace.
As for a scale, almost anything can work. Just get some budget Chinese thing if you wanna save, again,. no point investing for now, just start running and you'll see later.
I have some cheap Huawei thing at home and it's in 1% of a DEXA scan (medically accurate thing) for body fat and for weight it's 99% accurate. If money is not an issue and you wanna stay within the ecosystem of some brand, Garmin has some stuff too, but it's like 200usd vs 50 or something. Not really an expert in scales.
Eventually, you'll want a running watch that's reliable and can actually help you track your progress and fitness. Sadly the low end segment is pretty unrepresented, so things start around 250USD, with watches like Coros Pace 3 and Huawei GT Runner.
But first, just run
Got the watch for free. Do you by chance recommend or can link any watches or anything?
 
Got the watch for free. Do you by chance recommend or can link any watches or anything?
There is no beating the new Pace 3 from Coros I think, not at its price. Likely the other brands will have to lower prices because of it.
I wouldn't rush into it. There are MANY things that go into your sportswatch choice. Let's say you have an Apple iPhone. It's quite likely that you would be best served by an Apple Watch, evn though it locks you in their ecosystem. Most common ecosystems are Garmin, and at a big distance Polar, Suunto, Coros, and nowadays Huawei too, who have come very strong from nowhere with great sensors and a decent ecosystem too. There are more health focused devices too, like Oura and Fitbit and Whoop. Wouldn't recommend them for running and actual sports. The Apple Watch is a mix, and it has the best HR optical sensor and algorithms on the market, so yeah, have an iPhone, likely consider the watch too.
Above the 250$ mark there's a lot of bigger, more complex watches, with big batteries, but they do not offer good value for the average runner IMO.
If you wanna be "mainstream" and put your data in a safe, long lasting ecosystem, Garmin is the way. Forerunner series has some cheaper watches too, IMO not really worth it though, cause Coros exists.
Polar is an OG Finnish corporation from the 70s, with plenty of tradition. Has a very sports focused ecosystem in Polar Flow, less so in health. It also has the most accurate cheststraps, it seems. Sadly it has some financial troubles and cannot really keep up with Garmin. If money's not an issue, a watch like a Vantage V2 offers some unique pro training features, like ability to measure muscle recovery after hard workouts etc. Just hard to recommend, unless you already have tons of data in Flow and want to keep it there.
The features these watches offer can be overwhelming at first. They'll track cadence, stride, your balance, ground contact times, power and much more. It's fun to see them evolve in time.
 
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