Business Logitech has an idea for a “forever mouse” that requires a subscription - Exec says mouse that requires a regular fee for software updates is possible.

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Logitech CEO Hanneke Faber recently discussed the possibility of one day selling a mouse that customers can use "forever." The executive said such a mouse isn't "necessarily super far away" and will rely on software updates, likely delivered through a subscription model.

Speaking on a July 29 episode of The Verge's Decoder podcast, Faber, who Logitech appointed as CEO in October, said that members of a "Logitech innovation center" showed her "a forever mouse" and compared it to a nice but not "super expensive" watch. She said:
... I’m not planning to throw that watch away ever. So why would I be throwing my mouse or my keyboard away if it’s a fantastic-quality, well-designed, software-enabled mouse? The forever mouse is one of the things that we’d like to get to.

The concept mouse that Faber examined was "a little heavier" than the typical mouse. But what drives its longevity potential for Logitech is the idea of constantly updated software and services.

To be clear, Logitech hasn't announced concrete plans to release such a product. But Faber seemed optimistic about the idea of a mouse that people never need to replace. The challenge, she admitted, is finding a business model that supports that idea without requiring an exorbitant hardware price. "Our stuff will have to change, but does the hardware have to change?" she asked. "I’m not so sure. We’ll have to obviously fix it and figure out what that business model is. We’re not at the forever mouse today, but I’m intrigued by the thought."

The price of a “forever mouse”​

Speaking with Faber, Decoder host and Verge Editor-in-Chief Nilay Patel suggested that a "forever mouse" could cost $200. While that would be expensive compared to the typical mouse, such a product wouldn't be the first software-heavy, three-figure-price computer mouse. Still, a price tag of around $200 would limit the audience to professionals or enthusiasts.

Faber also said the average price of a mouse or keyboard is $26, though she didn't cite her source. Logitech is seeking growth by appealing to the many people who don't own both a mouse and keyboard and by selling more expensive devices. A "forever mouse" could fall under the latter. Alternatively, the price of the mouse's hardware could be subsidized by subscription payments.

In any case, pushing out software updates would require Logitech to convince its customers to use an app to control their mouse. Such software can offer a lot of programmability and macro support, but the need to constantly run peripheral software could be a nuisance that eats up computer resources. Earlier this year, users complained when Logitech added a ChatGPT launcher to its peripherals.

Mouse subscription​

Subscription models have been gaining popularity among business-to-business (B2B) and business-to-consumer (B2C) tech companies because they offer a more reliable, recurring revenue source than hardware sales. When Patel asked Faber if she could "envision a subscription mouse," she responded, "possibly."

Faber said subscription software updates would mean that people wouldn't need to worry about their mouse. The business model is similar to what Logitech already does with video conferencing services (Logitech's B2B business includes Logitech Select, a subscription service offering things like apps, 24/7 support, and advanced RMA).

Having to pay a regular fee for full use of a peripheral could deter customers, though. HP is trying a similar idea with rentable printers that require a monthly fee. The printers differ from the idea of the forever mouse in that the HP hardware belongs to HP, not the user. However, concerns around tracking and the addition of ongoing expenses are similar.

What about hardware durability?​

Logitech's CEO didn't discuss what durability features a long-lasting mouse might incorporate. But enabling easier self-repairs and upgrades would be a different approach to a longer-lasting computer mouse that could more directly appeal to users.

Logitech already sells parts for self-repairs of some of its mice and other gadgets through iFixit. This shop could be expanded to feature more parts, offer more guides, and support more products.

A "forever mouse" would also benefit from a design with self-repairability in mind. Features like hot-swappability for mouse button switches for upgrades/repairs; easily replaceable shells, wheels, and feet; detachable cables; and customization options—all accompanied by readily available parts and guides—could go a long way toward making a mouse that fits users' long-term needs.

During the interview, Faber also discussed Logitech's goals of doubling its business and cutting its carbon footprint by 50 percent by 2031.

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Faber also said the average price of a mouse or keyboard is $26
There are tons of cheapo mice that cost $4 or less. They might break after a year or so but so what?

Once upon a time, under the false belief of environmental friendliness I bought brand name mice (cheaping offerings from Microsoft and Logitech that have side buttons). Yes, they last slightly longer but the extra life did not justify the price. Now I'm still using a Chinky "gaming" mouse that I bought in a fire sale before covid for $3. I only bought two of these and I wish I had got more.
 
During the interview, Faber also discussed Logitech's goals of doubling its business and cutting its carbon footprint by 50 percent by 2031
Those are diametrically opposite goals.

What software updates could there possibly be for a mouse to make it more long lived. Unless they do something retarded like make setting the DPI an always online SAAS bullshit to keep you paying for features that are built in today.

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She has no technology background

Hanneke Faber​

Chief Executive Officer


Hanneke Faber joined Logitech as CEO on December 1, 2023.

Hanneke has more than 30 years of experience in global business leadership across a variety of consumer, B2B and e-commerce businesses. In that time, she drove growth and significant transformation across multi-billion dollar businesses at three of the world’s leading product companies: Unilever, Ahold Delhaize and Procter & Gamble. Throughout her career, she has focused on innovation across diverse portfolios, fostering a deep connection with end-users in both mature and emerging markets, and she is a world-class sustainability leader.

Hanneke joins Logitech from Unilever where she led their $14 billion Nutrition business as group president. Her responsibility spanned more than 150 countries, and included global brands like Knorr and Hellmann’s, research & development, the B2B Unilever Food Solutions business and a supply chain of about 60 factories and contract manufacturers around the world. Last month, Unilever was elected #1 in the World Benchmarking Alliance’s rating of 350 Food and Agriculture brands for responsible/sustainable business. Hanneke joined Unilever in January 2018 as President Unilever Europe.

Prior to joining Unilever, Hanneke was the chief commercial officer of global retailer Ahold Delhaize, where she drove omnichannel retail operations and built the company’s e-commerce business into a global top 50 e-commerce player. Prior to Ahold Delhaize, she held various international leadership roles at Procter & Gamble, including vice president and general manager of global Pantene, Head & Shoulders and Herbal Essences; and vice president and general manager of Beauty Care, where she launched the Max Factor brand in China.

Hanneke is a member of the board of directors and audit committee of Tapestry Inc, the parent company of luxury brands Coach, Kate Spade New York, and Stuart Weitzman. Prior to joining Tapestry in 2021, Hanneke served a five-year term on the supervisory board of Bayer AG, the life sciences company.

Hanneke holds a Master’s degree in Business Administration and a Bachelor’s degree in Journalism from the University of Houston, which she attended on a full athletic scholarship in diving. She was a seven-time Dutch National Champion and an Honorable Mention All-American.

Hanneke was recognized by Fortune magazine as one of the most influential international women in business, as #23 in the latest ranking issued in 2021
 
There are tons of cheapo mice that cost $4 or less. They might break after a year or so but so what?

Once upon a time, under the false belief of environmental friendliness I bought brand name mice (cheaping offerings from Microsoft and Logitech that have side buttons). Yes, they last slightly longer but the extra life did not justify the price. Now I'm still using a Chinky "gaming" mouse that I bought in a fire sale before covid for $3. I only bought two of these and I wish I had got more.

Eh, I have 8 + years of office use on a Logitech G502 and G710+.

Obviously you don't have to spend that much, but it is nice.

Logitech has a really good warranty on most of its stuff, they'll usually send you a replacement no questions asked for most mice. I have a pair of old G5 mice of which one was sent as a warranty replacement for the other because the side buttons failed. I picked up some buttons from DigiKey and fixed the failed button and its been fine ever since.

Edit: I'm a Logitech simp through and through, but if they start making me subscribe to their dumb ass software to run this mouse and keyboard I will absolutely buy a different brand to replace it, mostly likely something no-name or custom that needs no bullshit software.
 
The only thing that dies on mice are the mechanisms underneath the buttons. I imagine you could make really, really good ones that last 10+ years, but you'd have a hard time convincing me that they would last that long or be worth the price. I almost feel bad for this woman putting her foot in her mouth. Almost.
 
Logitech CEO Hanneke Faber recently discussed the possibility of one day selling a mouse that customers can use "forever." The executive said such a mouse isn't "necessarily super far away" and will rely on software updates, likely delivered through a subscription model.

Speaking on a July 29 episode of The Verge's Decoder podcast, Faber, who Logitech appointed as CEO in October, said that members of a "Logitech innovation center" showed her "a forever mouse" and compared it to a nice but not "super expensive" watch.
Looked at Faber's LinkedIn page out of curiosity.

Judging by her work experience and history there is perhaps a chance she may not entirely understand how the computer mouse market works:
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Then somebody will make a longer-lasting mouse that doesn't require a subscription (lol) and you're fucked.
My 5+ year old Basilisk Hyperspeed was like $30, with adjustable DPI & scroll, Blueteef, Wifi, and like 8 months of battery life on a single AA. I bet it would be trivial to drop the $10 sensor/button package into any number of simple ergonomic shells:

Wood for $50, aluminum for $75, billet steel for $120. You'd have a half pound, cool to the touch, indestructible mouse..."forever" to the extent you don't lose the thing, and could drop in a new $10 electronics package in a decade.
 
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