Business Logitech has an idea for a “forever mouse” that requires a subscription - Exec says mouse that requires a regular fee for software updates is possible.

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Logitech CEO Hanneke Faber recently discussed the possibility of one day selling a mouse that customers can use "forever." The executive said such a mouse isn't "necessarily super far away" and will rely on software updates, likely delivered through a subscription model.

Speaking on a July 29 episode of The Verge's Decoder podcast, Faber, who Logitech appointed as CEO in October, said that members of a "Logitech innovation center" showed her "a forever mouse" and compared it to a nice but not "super expensive" watch. She said:
... I’m not planning to throw that watch away ever. So why would I be throwing my mouse or my keyboard away if it’s a fantastic-quality, well-designed, software-enabled mouse? The forever mouse is one of the things that we’d like to get to.

The concept mouse that Faber examined was "a little heavier" than the typical mouse. But what drives its longevity potential for Logitech is the idea of constantly updated software and services.

To be clear, Logitech hasn't announced concrete plans to release such a product. But Faber seemed optimistic about the idea of a mouse that people never need to replace. The challenge, she admitted, is finding a business model that supports that idea without requiring an exorbitant hardware price. "Our stuff will have to change, but does the hardware have to change?" she asked. "I’m not so sure. We’ll have to obviously fix it and figure out what that business model is. We’re not at the forever mouse today, but I’m intrigued by the thought."

The price of a “forever mouse”​

Speaking with Faber, Decoder host and Verge Editor-in-Chief Nilay Patel suggested that a "forever mouse" could cost $200. While that would be expensive compared to the typical mouse, such a product wouldn't be the first software-heavy, three-figure-price computer mouse. Still, a price tag of around $200 would limit the audience to professionals or enthusiasts.

Faber also said the average price of a mouse or keyboard is $26, though she didn't cite her source. Logitech is seeking growth by appealing to the many people who don't own both a mouse and keyboard and by selling more expensive devices. A "forever mouse" could fall under the latter. Alternatively, the price of the mouse's hardware could be subsidized by subscription payments.

In any case, pushing out software updates would require Logitech to convince its customers to use an app to control their mouse. Such software can offer a lot of programmability and macro support, but the need to constantly run peripheral software could be a nuisance that eats up computer resources. Earlier this year, users complained when Logitech added a ChatGPT launcher to its peripherals.

Mouse subscription​

Subscription models have been gaining popularity among business-to-business (B2B) and business-to-consumer (B2C) tech companies because they offer a more reliable, recurring revenue source than hardware sales. When Patel asked Faber if she could "envision a subscription mouse," she responded, "possibly."

Faber said subscription software updates would mean that people wouldn't need to worry about their mouse. The business model is similar to what Logitech already does with video conferencing services (Logitech's B2B business includes Logitech Select, a subscription service offering things like apps, 24/7 support, and advanced RMA).

Having to pay a regular fee for full use of a peripheral could deter customers, though. HP is trying a similar idea with rentable printers that require a monthly fee. The printers differ from the idea of the forever mouse in that the HP hardware belongs to HP, not the user. However, concerns around tracking and the addition of ongoing expenses are similar.

What about hardware durability?​

Logitech's CEO didn't discuss what durability features a long-lasting mouse might incorporate. But enabling easier self-repairs and upgrades would be a different approach to a longer-lasting computer mouse that could more directly appeal to users.

Logitech already sells parts for self-repairs of some of its mice and other gadgets through iFixit. This shop could be expanded to feature more parts, offer more guides, and support more products.

A "forever mouse" would also benefit from a design with self-repairability in mind. Features like hot-swappability for mouse button switches for upgrades/repairs; easily replaceable shells, wheels, and feet; detachable cables; and customization options—all accompanied by readily available parts and guides—could go a long way toward making a mouse that fits users' long-term needs.

During the interview, Faber also discussed Logitech's goals of doubling its business and cutting its carbon footprint by 50 percent by 2031.

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They'd make just as much money making a "modular" mouse (i.e making the repair manual the marketing brochure and letting you replace the three parts that could ever wear out on the mouse). Throw in a variety of colorful shells and boom, you sell a $30-40 mouse and can at least tempt customers to buy a $10 replacement mechanism instead of tossing the mouse.
You were never getting the "buy a bag full of $3 Chinesium mice" crowd anyway. Marketing easy replacement parts can at least keep your product in commission (and more importantly, your competition from being purchased) a few years longer.
 
I’ve never had a mice fail on me ever. If anything, people just throw away a perfectly good mouse whenever they buy a new computer or need more DPI.
 
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They'd make just as much money making a "modular" mouse (i.e making the repair manual the marketing brochure and letting you replace the three parts that could ever wear out on the mouse). Throw in a variety of colorful shells and boom, you sell a $30-40 mouse and can at least tempt customers to buy a $10 replacement mechanism instead of tossing the mouse.
You were never getting the "buy a bag full of $3 Chinesium mice" crowd anyway. Marketing easy replacement parts can at least keep your product in commission (and more importantly, your competition from being purchased) a few years longer.
That's a great idea. Lean into that whole 'make it yours' marketing and have famous artists and designers make shell designs and get influencers to do videos about how they change their mouse shell to match their mood and other things everyone would like to imagine they'd do if they could ever be bothered. Have a line of 'mechanical' mice with a sturdier design and 5 billion click switches (but still under power them so they fail in a year) and you can probably grab the gaming market too.
 
That's a great idea. Lean into that whole 'make it yours' marketing and have famous artists and designers make shell designs and get influencers to do videos about how they change their mouse shell to match their mood and other things everyone would like to imagine they'd do if they could ever be bothered. Have a line of 'mechanical' mice with a sturdier design and 5 billion click switches (but still under power them so they fail in a year) and you can probably grab the gaming market too.
Yeah I'm going to just start invoicing consulting fees to companies
 
They'd make just as much money making a "modular" mouse (i.e making the repair manual the marketing brochure and letting you replace the three parts that could ever wear out on the mouse). Throw in a variety of colorful shells and boom, you sell a $30-40 mouse and can at least tempt customers to buy a $10 replacement mechanism instead of tossing the mouse.
You were never getting the "buy a bag full of $3 Chinesium mice" crowd anyway. Marketing easy replacement parts can at least keep your product in commission (and more importantly, your competition from being purchased) a few years longer.
They already have the perfect platform for it too in the current G305. Simple, wireless, cheap as chips and runs for fucking ever on a AA or AAA (with an adapter) battery.
 
Folks saying "I've had this for this long, I've used this mouse for that long" etc., apparently underestimate Microsoft and Apple's desire to do what this woman is saying. Windows 16 no longer acknowledges your USB 1.0 mouse you bought in 1995 that you've lovingly cared for over decades. "I'll use Linux!" you cry, and then I bust out laughing. Bitch have you seen the Linux environment? What trannydistro will you use? Which of 666 of them? What repo will you get your driver from? So three years later you can feverishly check back to find out if Y axis movement has finally been implemented, only to discover the dev got in a fight with a discord troon and the entire git repository was deleted in bathtub estrogen fueled rage?

Fuck this bitch and her fucking suicide booth level approach to mice, and double fuck her for even creating the idea.
 
tl;dr: tech illiterate marketing executive thinks they're clever.

Total marketer death cannot come soon enough. You just know the internal IT staff at Logitech would lynch this woman in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it.
Product Designer: "Our research suggests that for tactile items, there's demand for high quality rather than the cheapest commodity. What about a Forever Mouse?"

Former Unilever #GirlBoss: "Go on..."

Product Engineer: "We'll make it modular, so critical parts can be replaced. Offer wood, aluminum, or steel for the body. You don't mind paying extra because you'll enjoy it for years, and it'll still feel like a bargain."

Hand-rubbing She-E-O: "Wow, great idea guys. But what if instead of buying it for life, you got to pay for your Forever Mouse over and over every month? And what if it offered helpful weekly reminders to update to the latest patch, so that our Select Ad Choices partners could send you valuable offers after each Click Session (upgrade now and first 500 clicks are free!!)? And if our new MouseCheck(TM) technology ensured your safety by continuously submitting LogiMatch data and entering LogiProtect mode if any unauthorized LogiBatteries are detected?"
 
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Technically they are already making you rent your printer anyway by making wireless connection mandatory and banning all aftermarket ink cartridges.

Mouse thing might happen too, if windows xxx bans unauthorized mouse from connecting to the windows.

We are all fucked in the end.
 
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Lets face facts. It's no longer a good idea to make a solid high quality product that lasts a long time. No it's best to make a cheap ass piece of shit that breaks every month or so and needs to be repurchased. Then toss on a monthly user fee for something like heated seats or key fob use as it's far more money in the corpo pockets and fuck the consumer. It's their duty to feed the economy after after
Market monopolization incentivizes the companies in power to do less innovating and instead find new ways to nickel and dime consumers with products not made to last. It starts with one company leading in the reigns of enshittifying their own products before the other companies follow suit and the old products become more difficult to find and may eventually just be completely incompatible with modern hardware/software.

I fucking hate planned obsolescence and the greedy cunts that collude on this shit. I would laugh at a proposal this ridiculous but knowing our modern tech overlords they’re going to implement more subscriptions on the most basic pieces of hardware and force you to download their shitty software that I’m sure won’t be used to scalp data.
 
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That's cool Logitech, I'll just continue using the same mouse I've been using for 8+ years, replacing the mouse buttons when they fail.

Cool products you've made in the past, it would be a shame if nearly every single part in your dogshit simple products could be reproduced via 3D printing/bought wholesale from one of your external parts providers. A real shame.
 
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Bitch have you seen the Linux environment? What trannydistro will you use? Which of 666 of them? What repo will you get your driver from?

Linux mint. It just werks.

Seriously. installed, updated and no issues since. If you are having this much of an issue, then maybe it's a skill problem?

Edit: wife laptop died. She's only used windows her entire life but I installed mint on her new laptop and has been literally no issues.
 
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