Business Logitech has an idea for a “forever mouse” that requires a subscription - Exec says mouse that requires a regular fee for software updates is possible.

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Logitech CEO Hanneke Faber recently discussed the possibility of one day selling a mouse that customers can use "forever." The executive said such a mouse isn't "necessarily super far away" and will rely on software updates, likely delivered through a subscription model.

Speaking on a July 29 episode of The Verge's Decoder podcast, Faber, who Logitech appointed as CEO in October, said that members of a "Logitech innovation center" showed her "a forever mouse" and compared it to a nice but not "super expensive" watch. She said:
... I’m not planning to throw that watch away ever. So why would I be throwing my mouse or my keyboard away if it’s a fantastic-quality, well-designed, software-enabled mouse? The forever mouse is one of the things that we’d like to get to.

The concept mouse that Faber examined was "a little heavier" than the typical mouse. But what drives its longevity potential for Logitech is the idea of constantly updated software and services.

To be clear, Logitech hasn't announced concrete plans to release such a product. But Faber seemed optimistic about the idea of a mouse that people never need to replace. The challenge, she admitted, is finding a business model that supports that idea without requiring an exorbitant hardware price. "Our stuff will have to change, but does the hardware have to change?" she asked. "I’m not so sure. We’ll have to obviously fix it and figure out what that business model is. We’re not at the forever mouse today, but I’m intrigued by the thought."

The price of a “forever mouse”​

Speaking with Faber, Decoder host and Verge Editor-in-Chief Nilay Patel suggested that a "forever mouse" could cost $200. While that would be expensive compared to the typical mouse, such a product wouldn't be the first software-heavy, three-figure-price computer mouse. Still, a price tag of around $200 would limit the audience to professionals or enthusiasts.

Faber also said the average price of a mouse or keyboard is $26, though she didn't cite her source. Logitech is seeking growth by appealing to the many people who don't own both a mouse and keyboard and by selling more expensive devices. A "forever mouse" could fall under the latter. Alternatively, the price of the mouse's hardware could be subsidized by subscription payments.

In any case, pushing out software updates would require Logitech to convince its customers to use an app to control their mouse. Such software can offer a lot of programmability and macro support, but the need to constantly run peripheral software could be a nuisance that eats up computer resources. Earlier this year, users complained when Logitech added a ChatGPT launcher to its peripherals.

Mouse subscription​

Subscription models have been gaining popularity among business-to-business (B2B) and business-to-consumer (B2C) tech companies because they offer a more reliable, recurring revenue source than hardware sales. When Patel asked Faber if she could "envision a subscription mouse," she responded, "possibly."

Faber said subscription software updates would mean that people wouldn't need to worry about their mouse. The business model is similar to what Logitech already does with video conferencing services (Logitech's B2B business includes Logitech Select, a subscription service offering things like apps, 24/7 support, and advanced RMA).

Having to pay a regular fee for full use of a peripheral could deter customers, though. HP is trying a similar idea with rentable printers that require a monthly fee. The printers differ from the idea of the forever mouse in that the HP hardware belongs to HP, not the user. However, concerns around tracking and the addition of ongoing expenses are similar.

What about hardware durability?​

Logitech's CEO didn't discuss what durability features a long-lasting mouse might incorporate. But enabling easier self-repairs and upgrades would be a different approach to a longer-lasting computer mouse that could more directly appeal to users.

Logitech already sells parts for self-repairs of some of its mice and other gadgets through iFixit. This shop could be expanded to feature more parts, offer more guides, and support more products.

A "forever mouse" would also benefit from a design with self-repairability in mind. Features like hot-swappability for mouse button switches for upgrades/repairs; easily replaceable shells, wheels, and feet; detachable cables; and customization options—all accompanied by readily available parts and guides—could go a long way toward making a mouse that fits users' long-term needs.

During the interview, Faber also discussed Logitech's goals of doubling its business and cutting its carbon footprint by 50 percent by 2031.

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wired mice already last forever. whatever wireless mice i had to replace was because i threw it against a wall or spilled water on it or lost the dongle.
Plug any 90s/early 2000s hardwired beige bad boy with the ball into any modern computer (if your desktop still has a port for it) and I promise you that thing will still work.
 
There are tons of cheapo mice that cost $4 or less. They might break after a year or so but so what?

Once upon a time, under the false belief of environmental friendliness I bought brand name mice (cheaping offerings from Microsoft and Logitech that have side buttons). Yes, they last slightly longer but the extra life did not justify the price. Now I'm still using a Chinky "gaming" mouse that I bought in a fire sale before covid for $3. I only bought two of these and I wish I had got more.
I've been using a bog standard cheap logitech mouse for years at this point, and it works very well. Barely ever need to replace the batteries on it too.
 
The concept mouse that Faber examined was "a little heavier" than the typical mouse. But what drives its longevity potential for Logitech is the idea of constantly updated software and services.

What software and services does a mouse need? You use it to point at things and click them. That's all it does. The simplest computer device ever and they're so greedy they went ahead and thought "How do we make even more money off of this?"

Anyone who buys this and pays a subscription for it is a retard.
 
Pile of shit, the metal scroll wheel somehow rusted after a year.

Edit: Looks like I wasn't the only ones, looked up the prices now out of curiosity and discovered they redesigned the mouse and added a rubber coating over the metal. Thats actually a more expensive one, the cheaper one is still metal and terrible.
 
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They never do, people who are familiar with the tech can give you a laundry list of why things can be good or bad. Business people are just sheckel chasing goblins who don't believe in quality, confidence, or anything that businesses are built on. The first thing on this retards list of bullshit is that mice rarely suffer from software issues, it's physical wear and tear that makes them degrade over time. Just what the fuck is a software update going to do for my mouse? Oh, let me guess, you have retarded pajeets messing around with the generic USB Mouse Driver that's been around for 20+ fucking years; and so you'll need to be fixing their fuckups and just label them as updates, like there's some sort of value added proposition in your bullshit. While it's not really covered in the article, if this shit goes through, it's gonna mainly be for businesses; but they're gonna have to cut their knees off to push this shit through. HP, Xerox, and others have had rental/support contracts for businesses for years, complete with dispatching technicians to solve anything more complicated than unjamming a printer. There's literally no way in hell to make this shit work in any sane metric without completely ruining the entire ecosystem.

As for mice that last forever; I have about a lifetime supply of mice, because those basic $5 mice that come pre-packaged with everything last a surprisingly long time. Granted I don't do shit like need superior skill for headshots or shit like that; my gaming is fine with a basic two button + scroll wheel mouse that came with a Dell Optiplex that was outdated a decade ago.

It's people like this that make me at least understand where the kill billionares and millionaires rhetoric comes in. Even if I despise communists when I see women like this I wonder if I can feed her to an angry crowd of commies.
Most of those retards want to kill millionaires and billionaires because their bank accounts are unequal. People like us want to kill them, because they are literally trying to make the world a worse place. Our two groups are not the same.
 
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Nigger what?
Computer mice literally have not changed for 20 years. What makes these retards think they need "software-enablement" rather than good ol "hardware repair" to futureproof their shit? When I need to replace a mouse, it's because I've had it for 5+ years and wore out a button, certainly not because I'm just really really craving a software update. This must be just the most fucking insane thing from the unholy underworld of IT news I've heard in weeks, holy fuck.
 
This sounds entirely retarded. An ONN wireless mouse is like $5, and will last years. There's nothing to update on a mouse that would ever require software updates anyway.

What I will pay money for is a keyboard that has metal tabs on the F and J keys that won't wear smooth after a few months of typing. I have a pile of perfectly functional keyboards I've had to discard because those nubs have worn down and all the keys are too smooth now. My current keyboard is some gawdy looking RGB gamer keyboard that has a solid aluminum back that makes it heavy and sturdy as hell. Cost $12, came with a wireless mouse. I bought five, cause it's better quality than some $100+ boards I've used.

But the buttons still wear down too quickly (granted, I write 50k words or more a month, so I'm probably a bit hard on them, but still).

The best thing I ever invested in was a Hall effect X-Box controller (it's 100% worth the extra thirty bucks) that has already lasted three times longer than any other controller, with no signs of stick drift at all. Surely there's a way to make an affordable keyboard that has some metal buttons that can last more than a few months. Doesn't have to be some fancy mechanical keyboard either, or covered with obnoxious RGB.
 
She has no technology background
amazing
Hanneke holds a Master’s degree in Business Administration and a Bachelor’s degree in Journalism from the University of Houston,
She has not background in ANYTHING.
which she attended on a full athletic scholarship in diving.
She wasn't even forced to do retarded busywork in "Business Administration" and "Journalism".
 
They never do, people who are familiar with the tech can give you a laundry list of why things can be good or bad. Business people are just sheckel chasing goblins who don't believe in quality, confidence, or anything that businesses are built on.
I loathe them. They come into my line of work and change stuff. My last company I had NINE critical systems replaced and fucked with over a few months. Not a single one was an improvement on what was before. Most were a huge extra drain requiring multiple hours of input, rolled out instantly with no training, and sold to management as the second coming.
 
Hopefully this isnt a sign that their quality will not go down, had one of these last like 7+ years and a g(whatever the fuck) another 5
 

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But the buttons still wear down too quickly (granted, I write 50k words or more a month, so I'm probably a bit hard on them, but still).
Invest in double-shot or dye-sub PBT keycaps, or a keyboard that comes with them preinstalled. Sturdier material that doesn't get that slippery feeling over time, and the legends are physically part of the keycap material so they won't wear off.
 
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