Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[doodoocaca]

It doesn't need to be buried if people collectively decide that they just don't want to remember. You can, to this day, look up information about Castrati singers in your local library or Internet webzone, but how many people remember them?

This really is a better way to put it. Almost Everyone chooses to forget when not reminded to remember.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

This really is a better way to put it. Almost Everyone chooses to forget when not reminded to remember.

Remember the word 'wigger'? I remember being inundated with that word somewhere around 2000-2008 if you were a white guy who at all listened to hip-hop or rap, and there was no real social acknowledgement of the portmanteau. It just quietly stopped being used, and its most profligate users went on to whatever the next bit of socialite lingo was.

You're mostly going to get the stuff detailed in these tweets (sorry, xeets). The 'blowback' will be both detransitioners and transitioners becoming effective pariahs, because they remind socialites of the fact that they're stupid, gullible retards who run cover for abuse and always have been. Pharma companies have taken ages to get any blowback for the opioid epidemic, and even then it seems like most people are content to let them off with a little flick on the wrist and a finger waggle.

 

[Shiversblood]

It's more likely that he just hates himself, and he projects that onto men as a class. I've seen discussion on this board about how pooners all have internalised misogyny, well I guess this is the male version of that.

Actually, I think that he was raped when he was a child, and that’s why they thinks all of this, and is not really gay but just thinks he is because of the childhood rape.

 

[Big Bobs Beepers]

You know how they say that HRT is devastating the nerd community? The other night it reminded me of a story of a guy I knew who trooned out from a few years back. I haven't seen him since I left my really faggy college hometown, but the last encounter I did have with him was back in like 2017 or so. I wouldn't really call myself his friend, but the last thing I heard him say is what makes this story thread worthy

For some background, let's call him Trev.; Trev wasn't a bad dude in the slightest, but to say he was really fucking weird and autistic even back then was an understatement. He was the founder of our high school's brony club, and he was really, really fucking into that fandom when it was first really picking up steam. I didn't talk to him too much, but I'd speak to him in passing if he approached me and a friend of mine out of random in the common room or at lunch. Trev also tried to do a DJ set at the school talent show with some really shitty equipment you'd find at a Goodwill, and he was really into making dubstep music that nobody had the heart to tell him was really awful. Trev also never had a filter or an off switch to speak of, and he had a tendency to overshare shit you really shouldn't be open about. I think most people just talked to him and hung out with him out of pity, because the only other friends he had were other autists. He was also never one with the ladies, because I can't recall him ever having a girlfriend back then

Anyway, I graduate high school, and since he was behind me, I didn't see him for a while

So one night in the spring of 2017, I'm at this house party and we run out of beer. And since I had a really convincing fake ID, I was sent out to get some more, and a couple of my friends went with me. I had also had plenty to drink beforehand, so we had to walk since I didn't want to drive drunk. Anyhow, we go to the nearest gas station and head straight to the beer section, and while we're on our way there, we hear someone call out to us. At first I can't tell who it is at first, as it's clearly a man wearing some really dumpy sundress, but when I get a look at this person, I recognize the face and quickly realize that it's Trev. Me and my friends were definitely weirded out, but we were as polite as we could realistically be. Trev then tells us that he's now a girl, and was going by Trinity now, and we all just kinda look at each other for a sec before we say it was cool catching up, but we gotta get back to the party. But Trev then asks us if we need a ride back, and we figure it couldn't hurt cuz it would cut the time of the trip in half. So we grab a 24 pack, pay for it, and head back outside with him

Big, fucking, mistake

As he's driving us back to the party, my friend asks him what he's been up to. And Trev, again not one to have a filter or an off switch, tells us that he's been fucking a middle aged troon. Now keep in mind that around this time, he had likely just turned 18. He then starts to go into really graphic detail about this really gross shit that they like to do. At this point, the three of us are kinda just sitting in the car quietly, like we have no fucking clue to what to even say to something like that. But soon after, we get to the block the house is on, and we couldn't get the hell out of his car soon enough. After he drives off, all of us just kinda stand there and stare at each other for a bit; nobody knew what to say, and it was so fucked up that we couldn't even bring ourselves to laugh about it, even at the height of our edgelord years. And looking back on it, it just seems even worse now more than ever. I can't help but feel like this shit is going on even more now behind closed doors, especially now that the troons have made it a priority to get access to younger and younger people. Like, who knows what the fuck else was going on behind the scenes that he didn't tell us, and I frankly hope that I never find out. Lost contact with Trev over the years, but wherever he is, I really hope he got help and hasn't necked himself

 

[Protistology]

Trev then tells us that he's now a girl, and was going by Trinity now

The cringe physically hurts me.

 

[Ratboy Genius]

This doesn't EXACTLY count. But my cousin who just started college, who's a girl, is apparently rooming with a mtf troon. My cousin is bigtime leftist and is obsessing over this tranny.
Not to pl too much but my sister also just started college and I KNOW my mama would raise hell if her roommate was a tranny.
But anyway yeah, pray for my cousin's safety...

 

[Procrastinhater]

This doesn't EXACTLY count. But my cousin who just started college, who's a girl, is apparently rooming with a mtf troon. My cousin is bigtime leftist and is obsessing over this tranny.
Not to pl too much but my sister also just started college and I KNOW my mama would raise hell if her roommate was a tranny.
But anyway yeah, pray for my cousin's safety...

You know its only a matter of time before she starts to find missing underwear or stuff thats all stretched out of shape.

I don't know how you could warn her without her freaking out with you if she's a leftist thats drinking the kool aid, but I'd recomment she not leave any of her stuff where he can get at it.

 

[sheepworldvizor]

This doesn't EXACTLY count. But my cousin who just started college, who's a girl, is apparently rooming with a mtf troon. My cousin is bigtime leftist and is obsessing over this tranny.
Not to pl too much but my sister also just started college and I KNOW my mama would raise hell if her roommate was a tranny.
But anyway yeah, pray for my cousin's safety...

Hope she’s on the pill.

 

[barbieQ]

This sounds like a good start, honestly. You care about him, and you're concerned that he's got his dad's abuse internalized, just riding along with him telling him he's not a real man.

Coming back to say that I eventually nutted up and took your advice and organized kind of an “intervention” with my friends on his behalf. We were gentle about it because we didn’t want to make it seem like an ambush, but I do feel like we made some progress. The name and pronouns have stayed so far, but we managed to drill it into his head that his trauma might be a cause for his transition and he agreed to start looking for actual counseling and therapy before doing anything to his body like hormones, etc. Hopefully having a professional help him process his childhood will help, because he’s never gotten help from anyone but friends.

I’m honestly just glad he was receptive to our advice and didn’t just cut us off like a lot of people in the thread. It’s a cliche statement, but he’s not a bad guy, just confused and in a world that will support his worst instincts instead of giving him actual help.

 

[Aunt Carol]

he agreed to start looking for actual counseling and therapy before doing anything to his body like hormones, etc. Hopefully having a professional help him process his childhood will help, because he’s never gotten help from anyone but friends.

I'm so glad he listened to you guys. You're a good group of friends, to speak up instead of biting your tongues (or congratulating him).

I worry that he'll find a random therapist, lead with the trans part, and just get affirmed off into oblivion.

However, "finding a therapist" is a long process in a lot of places; there are never enough openings, you have to find one who takes your insurance, and there's nothing someone in emotional turmoil/hideous depression likes better than having to make dozens of phone calls.

If anyone in your friend group has time/inclination, could you ask for the name of his insurance and do some of the legwork for him? Not saying you'd make an appointment for him, just getting back to him with three names of therapists who have slots, take his insurance, and don't seem overwhelmingly pozzed. The APA has a decent database at https://locator.apa.org/landing/ and if you're in a big place you might be lucky enough to find in-person shitty childhood support groups.

 

[barbieQ]

I'm so glad he listened to you guys. You're a good group of friends, to speak up instead of biting your tongues (or congratulating him).

Honestly a few years ago I probably would have just mindlessly affirmed him and helped him ruin his life, but I mentioned before in the “When did you peak on transness” thread that I pretty much got gaslit into trying to transition as a teen before my parents shut that shit down hard, so now I’m weary of people when they just come out like that. Like is it truly something you want or do you just think it is because people are telling you that? I’m worried that someone else in his life has been getting into his ear with this shit, because while he’s a shy dude, he’s so desperate to fit in and please the few friends he has that he has a habit of going along with things that aren’t in his best interests, and people on the internet are creepily obsessed with “cracking” eggs. Add that to the fact he’s in a some gaming discords (Home of the e-creep) and I’m worried some freaky ass troon has brainwashed him into thinking transitioning would solve all his problems.

Best I can do now is keep an eye on him and an ear open if he needs help. I’m pretty hopeful though because like I said, him accepting he might have a problem instead of calling us phobes might be the rational part of his mind realizing something isn’t right . Sorry for the text sperg, this has just been super fucking stressful, most of my friends don’t even dislike trans people on a visceral level, we just know he ain’t one.

Spoiler

With that being said a lot of my more left leaning friends are supremely uncomfortable with this, so fuck, this might peak my entire friend group.

 

[glass_houses]

With that being said a lot of my more left leaning friends are supremely uncomfortable with this, so fuck, this might peak my entire friend group.

It's easy to support and advocate for something when you haven't been completely immersed in it or seen what it does to people you know and care about.

 

[barbieQ]

It's easy to support and advocate for something when you haven't been completely immersed in it or seen what it does to people you know and care about.

Yea, the things that have been said in private (Not about our friend, but the situation in general.) would probably get them in trouble in some leftie circles...which is pretty fucking sad, because they've been largely empathetic and are just asking questions, but common sense is transphobic now so...

 

[Varsha Nagini]

I posted too far back about a pooner I always knew as a pooner - but have since now lost to top surgery.
They're now single and moved to the ass end of the country, dare I pry as to why? Chopping the tits and all your associated drama probably had something to do with it, Oliver.

 

[Ann Berlin]

The only comfort about pooners, including my pooner friend, is that they usually don't pursue bottom surgery due to the results (sorry d00leys) being fucking ghastly. They don't tend to ampole

 

[BlaireWhitesBottom2]

A severely mentally ill man commits suicide, and you are angry because he isn't useful for you anymore? That's fucking disgusting.

shes just grieving but i gotta do it anyway



most empathetic woman

 

[Church Lurker]

@Big Bobs Beepers, quote won't work,

That's a horrifying and depressing story man, what is it with you and attracting trannies to yourself. Some of the most horrifying and saddest stories from this thread come from you in my opinion. But I really hope that Trevor guy found help man, he doesn't sound like a bad person, but was just an autistic guy who was taken advantage of.

 

[Aunt Carol]

what is it with you and attracting trannies to yourself

It's a social contagion, so if you're moving in a circle that has one troon in it, it's likely to spread to the other susceptible ones.

This is why nobody should let a troon walk into a gaming or comic book store. Not that they're disruptive, or that they'll make it smell any worse, but the same reason you don't put a fish with ich in with a healthy aquarium.

 

[Procrastinhater]

It's a social contagion, so if you're moving in a circle that has one troon in it, it's likely to spread to the other susceptible ones.

This is why nobody should let a troon walk into a gaming or comic book store. Not that they're disruptive, or that they'll make it smell any worse, but the same reason you don't put a fish with ich in with a healthy aquarium.

They're also disruptive and will definitely make it smell worse.

 

[Big Bobs Beepers]

That's a horrifying and depressing story man, what is it with you and attracting trannies to yourself. Some of the most horrifying and saddest stories from this thread come from you in my opinion. But I really hope that Trevor guy found help man, he doesn't sound like a bad person, but was just an autistic guy who was taken advantage of.

I used to just chalk it up to rotten luck, but being away from my hometown for a few years now has really given me time to think it all over

Kansas overall is a pretty red state, and there's no denying it. But the town I'm from has a college attached to it, so it's a far cry from what you'll see just even 10 minutes outside the city limits. I still keep up with the news from it, and the most notable thing that happened was this article about how a local bike race didn't MTF troons compete against biological women, but did go out of its way to give them their own category in said race. Naturally, the local journos published a bunch of outrage bait regarding it, and there was even a protest at the finish line by like, give or take 6 people. A number of years ago too, I was trying to get into a local art show with my work, but I was excluded from every single venue on the grounds that it was pride month, and every venue was in full pander mode. Long story short, it's not a place you wanna stay if you take your life seriously, and it's very easy to get caught up in this bare bones slacker lifestyle, where you go to your shitty dishwashing job and then go home and smoke a bunch of weed. Reason I'm saying all this is because it's very easy to be a loser in this town, and that's why I think it both attracts and breeds troonery. This town and its culture very much lends itself to them and this mindset of "I'm soooo heckin oppressed!!! Now keep celebrating me!!!!", and nobody will challenge you, ever. It's very much a bubble where good is never good enough, and I'm sure if you asked any number of people on the street what they thought about Trev's story, they'd probably cheer and say it's wonderful

Troons are a dime-a-dozen there, and thereby it's very easy to run into them and or get caught in their web if you're like Trev, or even just an outcast looking for a place to belong

It's a social contagion, so if you're moving in a circle that has one troon in it, it's likely to spread to the other susceptible ones.

This is why nobody should let a troon walk into a gaming or comic book store. Not that they're disruptive, or that they'll make it smell any worse, but the same reason you don't put a fish with ich in with a healthy aquarium.

Weirdly enough, when I left and moved to a more low profile neighborhood in NYC, the whole troon contagion just vanished. It's a very blue collar, working class sort of place that's far away from the faggy areas of town like the East Village or Bushwick. When I started making friends here and hanging out in the art scene, I learned that my beliefs when it comes to troons are much more common than I thought. The thing is, the people I've talked to about it are either just too busy with their own lives to give a shit, or they don't wanna lose their art careers to a bunch of troons with digital pitchforks. Even this artist I know who's a blatant furfag fucking despises them, but he's got a lot to lose, and everything he's built would be gone in a flash if he even tried to challenge this genderspecial bullshit publically. Times are weird, man