Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Islamic Jihad Rocket]

Sometimes curiosity sets in and I like to check in on those I once considered friends in the past. Sometimes I wish I didn’t. Found out yet another person I knew all those years ago has troon’d out, sometimes I think I’m cursed; everyone I knew back then during those days either became a raging leftist, a gender special weirdo or a troon.

I’m not even surprised at this point; and it’s someone I don’t really have any connection with anymore. But still it bothers me how the tranny virus keeps infecting people like this.

It’s just pretty fucking scary that one would think delusions would make them happy, the world we live in really is a fucked one.

 

[Vaclav]

It finally happened to me. I've encountered troons and spoken to those who knew them before the change and were often hiding varying degrees of horror and confusion beneath the mask of acceptance but now someone I know has gone down that path.

This is someone in an artistic community I frequent and one of the most prolific members of said community. His work has been a staple of the scene and some of it has focused on female characters but not in the pornified way I associate with AGP. His stuff in that vein was more or less a take on the slice-of-life genre with girls who are supposed to be realistic but are really just another kind of wish-fulfillment: a wistful, nostalgic fantasy of life as a series of tea parties rather than the horny fantasies of your average troon.

He's never been a very happy person and his socials have reflected this, with him writing repeatedly that he's lonely and wants friends. I thought I'd enjoy getting to know him so I approached him a couple times to chat about mutual interests but he came off in a very snippy, dismissive way, seeming annoyed that anyone would take an interest in what he was doing. Others have criticized him for being a bully and having thin skin so it doesn't seem my experience was unique.

There has been a growing "LGBTQ" presence on the margins of this scene for years, which really just means unstable TQs posting material focused on cartoon and anime characters with not-so-veiled sexual double meanings. As I saw him socializing with members of this group I felt a mounting dread but I told myself he wasn't going to be one of -those-. He'd been going with his slice-of-life girls' stuff for years and years and it wasn't the porny material you'd expect from an AGP. Whatever flaws he had, he was also extremely talented and I doubted that someone with that level of drive could be captured by the absurd trans fantasy.

Only it turned out that he could. Out of the blue all his profiles were suddenly different. He went through everywhere his work was posted and switched out his original name for a groan-inducing female one. At least it wasn't Alice or Emily but it gave a good indication what characters had been starring in his fantasies. He also made a post acknowledging "I'm sure people will mock me over this" and giving his depressing life story - he had been ruthlessly bullied as a kid, including by teachers and camp counselors, and some kids made a point of calling him gay and a tranny.

"The bullies called me a tranny so I decided they were right." It's a sad ending but he wasn't a blameless person; thinking about his attitude over time I get the impression he had a bit of a MovieBob nature to him. The lesson he learned from bullying was that it's better to be the bully and claw his way to a social position from where he could look down on others. Since transitioning his confrontational demeanor has increased and more people are remarking on it, but his creative output has continued for the time being. It does a lot to retroactively ruin the stuff from him that I enjoyed though.

In his sob story blog post he mentioned that the only people he enjoyed being with were the "queer" coomer clique who gathered to jack off to cartoon porn streams. I and probably several other people showed an interest in friendship with him before and got rebuffed, but apparently this group met with his approval. Why? I have no idea. I've thought about whether there was anything I could have said to him that would have changed his course but I tell myself probably nothing could have turned him away - whatever he experienced had immiserated him to the point where he would reject healthier friendships but was somehow entranced by the freaks. Maybe the draw of that community is a palpable misery that all members share. Can they sense even in brief conversation that someone isn't mired in self-hatred and be repelled on that basis?

Chalk up one more person lost to the mind-virus. Maybe he'll find the strength to snap out of this somehow - he still doesn't seem to be a terminal coomer so it seems the T-virus doesn't have a hold of him in that way. I'm not holding my breath though.

 

[Piggle-o]

In his sob story blog post he mentioned that the only people he enjoyed being with were the "queer" coomer clique who gathered to jack off to cartoon porn streams. I and probably several other people showed an interest in friendship with him before and got rebuffed, but apparently this group met with his approval. Why? I have no idea.

The thing about degens is that they absolutely do not judge and don't throw stones in glass houses. Throw in a mutual addiction and you have drug buddies, which is a codependent clusterfuck unto itself. They are all very carefully welcoming, then do cult-like shaming of "outside" behaviors.

Can they sense even in brief conversation that someone isn't mired in self-hatred and be repelled on that basis?

Yes. Healthy relationships have some degree of criticism and are mutually uplifting. Many of these people are psychic vampires and can't be uplifting.

 

[Athena Save Us!]

I had two cousins who recently trooned out. One I don't know too well; she decided becoming a pooner was her calling in life. The other is a nerdy boy with severe social anxiety who, after finishing school remotely due to anxiety and spending time in therapy, decided he's a stunning and brave woman. Now he runs around in dresses. His mom is totally supportive of him, but I don't know about his dad.

It sucks, as I know he's a good kid who got suckered into this nonsense. He had his name legally changed, but I don't know if he's shooting up with HRT or not. It came out of nowhere. He was a reclusive, bearded teen who didn't do much except win chess championships and play on computers. Now he thinks he's a girl and everyone just goes along with it because he's so much happier.

He's probably happier because he's being affirmed and love-bombed. Not that he wasn't the center of attention before as an only child, but now it's been ramped up. Now he's not the one with a problem, everyone else has the problem.

The saddest thing is that I'm sure he'll detransition at some point, but at which point? Will he have carved himself a new crotch hole by that point or will he turn around before the really irreversible stuff?

 

[Fapcop]

He's probably happier because he's being affirmed and love-bombed.

You often see an initial period of euphoria with troons and pooners. Everyone is sooo supportive, they have a community. All of their problems will be solved now!

It rarely lasts long before the same issues that led to the trooning return with a vengeance. And new troon problems added on top.

Like junkies they go on seeking that initial euphoria later on, and troon further and further out.

 

[Athena Save Us!]

You often see an initial period of euphoria with troons and pooners. Everyone is sooo supportive, they have a community. All of their problems will be solved now!

It rarely lasts long before the same issues that led to the trooning return with a vengeance. And new troon problems added on top.

Like junkies they go on seeking that initial euphoria later on, and troon further and further out.

Yep, and at some point utter retardation also sets in. I don't know if that happens right when they first decide to troon out or if it happens when the sunk cost fallacy sets in and they realize they've shat all over their health but can't admit it. I don't know one of my cousins well enough to say if she was a total retard before the pooning happened, but the other wasn't. He seems to be teetering on the edge now, and his mom has gone full-on retard. Anyone who decides to plant a color-coded rainbow garden to support her idiot troon kid has mush for brains. Seriously, she even dresses their pets in rainbow garb (I know, that's not weird for pride parents) now that her mind has been opened to the horrors of gender dysphoria.

For context, for a while her brother was dating an Indian woman and she was against interracial relationships.

 

[Fapcop]

Yep, and at some point utter retardation also sets in. I don't know if that happens right when they first decide to troon out or if it happens when the sunk cost fallacy sets in and they realize they've shat all over their health but can't admit it. I don't know one of my cousins well enough to say if she was a total retard before the pooning happened, but the other wasn't. He seems to be teetering on the edge now, and his mom has gone full-on retard. Anyone who decides to plant a color-coded rainbow garden to support her idiot troon kid has mush for brains. Seriously, she even dresses their pets in rainbow garb (I know, that's not weird for pride parents) now that her mind has been opened to the horrors of gender dysphoria.

For context, for a while her brother was dating an Indian woman and she was against interracial relationships.

Shit, your cousin is fucked I’m afraid.

Once a close family member, very often a woman, starts latching on to their budding troon for sweet social capital and “ooohh I’m special!”-status, it’s game over nine out of ten times.

Even if your cousin gets a come to Jesus moment and considers detransing, he’ll hesitate because “mom has been so supportive”.

Sorry fren.

 

[Athena Save Us!]

Shit, your cousin is fucked I’m afraid.

Once a close family member, very often a woman, starts latching on to their budding troon for sweet social capital and “ooohh I’m special!”-status, it’s game over nine out of ten times.

Even if your cousin gets a come to Jesus moment and considers detransing, he’ll hesitate because “mom has been so supportive”.

Sorry fren.

That's what I figured. And it's always the moms!

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Hopefully not a total loss at this point. But the worst one I have ever experienced. Out of a clear blue sky with zero warning.

Fuck clown world.

Drinking and listening to Elliott Smith.

 

[Cuckoman]

You often see an initial period of euphoria with troons and pooners. Everyone is sooo supportive, they have a community. All of their problems will be solved now!

It rarely lasts long before the same issues that led to the trooning return with a vengeance. And new troon problems added on top.

That is always the story "woe me, I so sad. If I cut off my penis all my problems will go away and I will be happy."
They cut off the penis and soon realize that all their old problems remain but now they have an additional problem : "penis was cut off and can not be stitched back".

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

That's what I figured. And it's always the moms!

Boomer moms don't understand but want to support. Probably mentioned it in here before, but saw a native docu of a kid groomed into troonydom by a cis girl online, read one of those "first trans story" 'bibles'; learned that the author killed himself and then killed himself knowing it would never get better. The mom wasn't told any of this and said she would've bought him dresses and whatever if given the chance. And had he "been trans" outside terminally online influence, obviously it would've been a brief phase.

That is always the story "woe me, I so sad. If I cut off my penis all my problems will go away and I will be happy."
They cut off the penis and soon realize that all their old problems remain but now they have an additional problem : "penis was cut off and can not be stitched back".

I mean it's a sweet relief. Set a goal: Undergo surgery; fail to ever do it, but keep thinking "that's how I fix it all". Same reason they look back at their unhappy teens and go "it's cause I never had/I had tits! That's the only reason why!"

 

[Fapcop]

Hopefully not a total loss at this point. But the worst one I have ever experienced. Out of a clear blue sky with zero warning.

Fuck clown world.

Drinking and listening to Elliott Smith.

Want to share, brother?

Seems that there are quite a few in here who can relate. By the grace of god I can’t but I can empathize.

 

[Nagato Kai Ni Surigao]

I logged into an old social media account and checked on some old friends from school I haven't seen in a long time. Most of them are unremarkable, some are surprisingly successful, some vanished. Then I got fucking jumpscared.

A really pretty girl with a unique name was adjacent to my friend group, but she moved away before I got to know her well. She was pleasant and I had a bit of a crush on her. Guess what?! She's a fucking "drag king" now!??!?!?! What the fuck?! She cut her long hair short, got really fat, and her profile is all drag(?!) pictures which trigger the strongest uncanny valley response in me. I haven't seen this person in years and likely never will again but I feel bad for whatever the hell happened to her.

And now, the shocking twist: remember how I said she moved away? She moved away because her parents got divorced.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Want to share, brother?

Seems that there are quite a few in here who can relate. By the grace of god I can’t but I can empathize.

If I can figure out how to do so without revealing too much powerlevel I will.

Right now things are just a chaotic mess in general so I will have to come back to it in a while.

 

[Joe Lieberman]

A younger relative of mine came out to me as "they/he" today blah blah blah

Update on this! I saw her a little while ago -- she's no longer using "they/he" pronouns or the goofy name. She had a falling out with a lot of her friends earlier this year and realized she had to get her shit together. She repaired her relationship with her mom after her trouble with the law; got on a different medication that seems to be leveling things out for her; and has a stable job that's not quite 40 hours a week, but enough for her to put a pretty decent amount of money away. She doesn't have her GED yet, but I think she'll get there. When we talked, I gave her advice that I don't think any other adult in her life gave her: you don't have to have a plan for the future now, but think about what she wants her life to look like this time next year, or three years from now. She can make a lot of little decisions to get her on track for the big things she wants to accomplish in her life.

 

[Fapcop]

Update on this! I saw her a little while ago -- she's no longer using "they/he" pronouns or the goofy name. She had a falling out with a lot of her friends earlier this year and realized she had to get her shit together. She repaired her relationship with her mom after her trouble with the law; got on a different medication that seems to be leveling things out for her; and has a stable job that's not quite 40 hours a week, but enough for her to put a pretty decent amount of money away. She doesn't have her GED yet, but I think she'll get there. When we talked, I gave her advice that I don't think any other adult in her life gave her: you don't have to have a plan for the future now, but think about what she wants her life to look like this time next year, or three years from now. She can make a lot of little decisions to get her on track for the big things she wants to accomplish in her life.

That’s good to hear!

Was she “affirmed” by family and friends? I’ve heard it makes quitting that nonsense harder, since you “don’t want to let them down”.

 

[Joe Lieberman]

Was she “affirmed” by family and friends? I’ve heard it makes quitting that nonsense harder, since you “don’t want to let them down”.

She was affirmed by her friends, who she's walked away from. Members of our family have always been hesitant about discussing transition and took a much more passive approach to the identity stuff -- "OK, sure, but what's your plan to get your GED".

 

[Ol' Chunk O' Coal]

Don't even know how to make sense of this. Today yet another close friend I had in college has come out as a trans woman. That makes five close friends that I've had at various points of high school and college that have become TIMs. I knew each of them as sensitive, intelligent men with difficult upbringings. Seeing this shit is sad, man.

 

[Super Guido]

"The bullies called me a tranny so I decided they were right." It's a sad ending but he wasn't a blameless person; thinking about his attitude over time I get the impression he had a bit of a MovieBob nature to him. The lesson he learned from bullying was that it's better to be the bully and claw his way to a social position from where he could look down on others.

I knew a guy like that before I fully peaked. He changed his behavior to try and fit in with the kool girlz klub where they all claim to hate men and got buttmad when I said he was acting weird. I suspect his whole thing was to climb a social ladder to make himself feel better about his miserable life. Dude just decided he liked trying on his mother's clothes and he was comfortable coming out, then started acting like a smug asshole and blocked anyone who criticised him. Even his supposed friends weren't safe from his dickery, but they thought I was transphobic for saying I don't think he's trans - I thought he's just using it as an excuse to be a dickhead to people. The sudden change in behavior from "relatively normal" to "men, am i right ladies?" smugposting reeked of "please love me "

He also converted to (a low-commitment level iirc) Judaism because he hated his Catholic parents.

What a pathetic pile of shit.

 

[Chandelier]

A friend I've known for 15 years - back when we were teens and YouTube had a PM system - first identified as asexual, and now is a full blown handmaiden. I've encountered her comments on Facebook and I know we'll come to a head because I'm a shit poster on mine (and I hang around notable TERF groups). We have similar tastes: same fandoms, same age (we were both Transformers fans at one point) and everything. She was there during my first "friend divorce" (sounds goofy but it was bad, especially for a teenage girl), and we used to send each other gifts. I used to vent to her about everything.

I've also been seeing that she's been majorly depression posting and those types are perfect for the Troon cult. Mind you, it's an online friendship, but I've known her the longest. I'd hate to see her be ruined by these people, and I doubt she'd appreciate viewing the threads here.

I wouldn't have initially minded the asexual thing - she never really had any crushes, male or female, and was never in any relationship - but I'm gradually noticing more and more Troon shit. My fingers are crossed that I won't lose her.