Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

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It sounds like they're Unitarians with more street cred by piggybacking on Judaism; is that accurate?
Nailed it.

If anything the Reconstructionist Jews are even more that way. They explicitly have it in their liturgical materials and theology that you don't have to believe in God at all, the point is to just have kind of vaguely Jewish vibes because otherwise Hitler wins.

There are several Reconstructionist rabbi-women who have written books or articles on being a "Jew-witch" which is where that form of retardation comes from.
 
Reform and reconstructionist Judaism are dying out so they’re willing to accept anyone as converts to add more dues-paying members.

Reconstructionists are the Jewish equivalent of the Unitarians; reform is like the progressive form of religions like Episcopalians and Methodists that have lesbian ministers. At that point you might as well not even bother anymore, which is why these sects of Judaism are dying out and the only branch that’s growing is orthodox due to all the (in)breeding that goes on there. Judaism essentially has reached its zenith and will start to see a decline in influence. Hence them accepting anyone, including trannies.
 
This whole post will be a PL because the situation is that my boyfriend is trooning out.

My live-in boyfriend is rather androgynous looking superficially (think LoTR elf, he has platinum blonde hair to his waist) but has a voice and face like a marine. He often wears very androgynous clothing
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since because of his specific body type it looks great on him. I cannot emphasize how much of a beautiful, temporal miracle his appearance is generally. He pulls off this JRPG blonde elf look in a way many have tried and few have succeeded. He is in the phase of his life of Profound Androgynous Male Beauty, the kind that cannot last without fizzling out or transforming Trent-Reznor style, and he has decided to fuck it all up by trying to become a woman instead of just enjoying it.

Over COVID he went from a rough-sex enjoying person to getting completely hooked on internet porn. Like fully, clinically addicted. And now he's trooning out because he wants to be a femdom muscle futa, when IRL he's wiry and could never in a million years pass as a woman.

His AGP is getting more and more apparent during sex and it's freaking me out how deep it seems to go.

This situation is incredibly confusing, because he's a smart and reasonable person generally. He's already decided to start hormones... I think ultimately the problem is that he thinks hormones can bascially do the impossible and make him more passing as a "woman", re: bodyfat distribution, even though he has very little bodyfat overall. He doesn't use reddit and won't answer questions about where he is getting his information from, so I am basically just assuming it's porn.

He knows I hate troonism, and each little thing he does (he's started wearing thongs, painted his nails, wears makeup) is absolutely killing me. I keep trying to tell him that HRT will ruin his health, he's not going to pass, he's going to ruin his relationships with his family, etc. Before this he was incredibly level headed and a borderline ideal person I wanted to marry. I blame porn and our friends... we're in a board gaming/TTRPG community that's rife with troons.

God fucking damn it. Is there a chance this can be un-done, or is it totally over? I think he's holding onto a line of thinking that he's going to change my mind and this isn't going to make me end things. There is a 0% chance I would ever marry a troon and the changes he's making are just creepy as all get out. Maybe he would rethink things once some realities set in... that there is a 100% chance I will break up with him and a 95% chance that he will struggle finding anyone else if he goes full troon.

I am losing my mind. I thought he was going to be it.

Are there any ways I could convince him of what a bad choice this is, or direct him to help re: porn addiction that won't affirm his troonness? Aggggh
 
God fucking damn it. Is there a chance this can be un-done, or is it totally over? I think he's holding onto a line of thinking that he's going to change my mind and this isn't going to make me end things. There is a 0% chance I would ever marry a troon and the changes he's making are just creepy as all get out. Maybe he would rethink things once some realities set in... that there is a 100% chance I will break up with him and a 95% chance that he will struggle finding anyone else if he goes full troon.
I know this is shitty advice but you know him best. He's doing this to fill some kind of gap in his life, and who knows for sure what that is, but you probably can tell better than I whether it's something to do with loneliness, insecurity, fear of growing older, whatever. Maybe you could get through to him if you sat down to express how creeped out it makes you feel, how you think his body is perfect as it is, and how you can't fight nature. Someone here probably has scientific sources on how E doesn't do more for men than give them breast buds and make them emotional.

He can be brought back to sanity but I hope you're preparing for the worst, like looking for a new living situation if he continues to chase the dragon. He just really needs to get it in his head that porn is fantasy, and ahead of him is a clear choice between becoming a coom-obsessed freak or achieving his life goals/finding success and he cannot do both.
 
God fucking damn it. Is there a chance this can be un-done, or is it totally over?
The chance are too slim to gamble on just waiting it to fizzle, they always go in increments, just like druggies so it will get worse specially if the loved ones and friends act passively ( they test the water, they start with small allowances and take people's initial hesitation to confront them as validation and permission to goon harder)

Be as based as you can be as quickly as possible, confront him with everything you got. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst, even in the worse scenario you are saving yourself a lot of future headaches
 
It sounds like they're Unitarians with more street cred by piggybacking on Judaism; is that accurate?
Yes. 100% yes. I’ve met so many TIMs and TIFs “converting” to Judaism in the past couple years. Hence why I stopped going to the local Jewish events in my area. They only want to be Jewish to become a minority and be pissed off at “Nazis” when they are the same thing but with biological reality.

Unrelated side vent:
I also just found out another lesbian I knew years ago is “microdosing” testosterone and she grew a fucking beard. It’s a small sad looking goatee but oh my god it fucked me up so hard. I had to stop myself from crying on the bus and had to pep talk myself out of the usual mental conversation I have every time I see another lesbian become a TIF.

I don’t know if any other lesbians in this thread have had this conversation before where you ask yourself why don’t I just go along? Why don’t I just be non binary or start micro doing t so I can finally fit in? How fucked it is to be gay and not fit in with other gays? Like damn pick a struggle. I can’t openly talk to people about my views on this shit and it makes me feel ostracized amongst other lesbians. They are like handmaden olympians so I could get mega-canceled if I say the wrong thing at the wrong time. I hope the world changes for the better in the future so I don’t die alone dykeless and boring. A small part of me wishes I could just get conversion therapy and be straight so I don’t need to deal with this bullshit. I really can’t escape the fact that the asylums are being run by the patients and dating is a shit show with TIMs and TIFs everywhere (for evidence check out my 100+ transbian dating profiles… all legit…)

Just. Ugh. I sound like a total edgy 12 year old emo teenager but FML.
 
I can’t openly talk to people about my views on this shit and it makes me feel ostracized amongst other lesbians.
Damn, I'm sorry. I know a lot of women here feel the same way; even if not lesbians, it's like you're the last remaining woman. And who knows how many of them got the trans brainrot, and how many of them had the same feeling you did, that they were the last one and might as well fit in.

My pipe dream, other than everyone snapping awake, would be for "women and non-binary people" to become hate speech, because how dare anyone make the assumption that nonbinaries are women-lite. I mean, they are, but if enough "queer spaces" had to pick a side, maybe people would realize that "I'm nonbinary but I'm basically a woman for purposes of this workshop" is the same as "I'm a woman," which is how it's been for a good long time before this started.
 
where you ask yourself why don’t I just go along? Why don’t I just be non binary or start micro doing t so I can finally fit in?

I honestly feel like that's what most people are doing anyways. Just paying lip service to any mainstream bullshit just to fit in. "Liblarping" as some kids are calling it

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Why don’t I just be non binary or start micro doing t so I can finally fit in?
This trend makes the least amount of sense of any of it. The changes will come more slowly, but they will come. And then they will be permanent. So what is the point of "microdosing"? People who do it are just as fucked up by the hormonal imbalance as a full on pooner, and just as trapped in the permanence.

I wish I could give an update on the situation I reported earlier. It has gone from bad to worse to unimaginable new this season on Clown World levels of unprecedented worse. I am in touch with legal eagle groups I hope will be able to intervene. It's...dire as fuck and I see very little hope of anything getting better any time soon.
 
So what is the point of "microdosing"?
Because it was a buzzword a few years back with LSD, and someone thought it sounded cool.
People who do it are just as fucked up by the hormonal imbalance as a full on pooner, and just as trapped in the permanence.
It's like how they lobotomized Rosemary Kennedy while conscious: when her speech became nonsensical, that's when they knew they should have stopped before that happened.

Works just the same.
 
I also just found out another lesbian I knew years ago is “microdosing” testosterone and she grew a fucking beard. It’s a small sad looking goatee but oh my god it fucked me up so hard. I had to stop myself from crying on the bus and had to pep talk myself out of the usual mental conversation I have every time I see another lesbian become a TIF.
I completely relate to this. In my case my background is that once I discovered I was attracted to women at a young age I looked up other women who could relate so I didn't felt alone (at the time gay marriage was not even considered a thing the concept of gay/queer was not only not normalized but also not glorified as it is today)
I met a lot of people I considered long time friends, little did I knew those "lesbians" or mainly bisexuals I met were nothing but women obsessed with lgbt stuff. Once they got too much into it they started questioning their identities as women, slowly one pooned out then another and so on, but they still called themselves gay, but now they were "gay" for men...at the time I didn't realized these people weren't honest with themselves, they just wanted the gay status that was so exotic and controversial at the time, then they realized they could be more oppressed and "cool" by being gay and trans, and then out of nowhere non binary was a thing (around 2016).
Now even though I'm not open about my views on troons I have distanced myself from those people, I don't feel the need to be hostile, but I do notice their lives became worse aafter pooning out, something that helped me desist myself. I notice now theyre all angry and depressed (I know this because this is all they post now in social media), so thankfully I picked up in time and didn't got influenced into pooning out out of social pressure, being a young homosexual tomboy.
For a time I felt that maybe I was the only woman of my kind, but I'm not, I now firmly believe that true lesbians are at least gender critical because to understand that youre attracted to the female sex you need to acknowledge that a woman is an adult human female, something that physically exist and not a feeling or a costume people can put on.
If it makes you feel better there is a lot of women who are gender critical (among them lesbians of course), not only here on the farms but also in the real world, most of them sadly are not open and loud as handmaidens due to fear of backlash because currently being gender critical is considered wrongthink. But I guess we still gotta be patient and pray for a better world for them to feel free to express themselves
 
Yes. 100% yes. I’ve met so many TIMs and TIFs “converting” to Judaism in the past couple years. Hence why I stopped going to the local Jewish events in my area. They only want to be Jewish to become a minority and be pissed off at “Nazis” when they are the same thing but with biological reality.
God, you just reminded me of a girl I worked with who pretended to be Jewish just so she didn’t have t provide cover on a Saturday.

She appeared with a they/them badge one day and was let go shortly afterwards as her pronoun sperging was the final straw.

I really hope she didn’t become a pooner as she had great tits.
 
The lesbian situation is absolutely fucking dire. Every single lesbian I've known has come out as nonbinary at the least, and at this point I can't even state my sexuality without people assuming it includes they/thems. Butch women and tomboys are the most beautiful women on the planet, and they've been absolutely eviscerated like the troons let loose the fucking bubonic plague.

I feel less safe telling people I'm gay now in 2024 than I did back in the early 2000s, and back then I would get literal death threats. But you know what? Those faggots wouldn't shoot someone, they're pussies. But I can't say with the same confidence that some nutjob TRA wouldn't try to ruin my life or assault me. I just want to get married, someday.
 
Those faggots wouldn't shoot someone, they're pussies. But I can't say with the same confidence that some nutjob TRA wouldn't try to ruin my life or assault me. I just want to get married, someday.
Shoot someone and that person dies, game over.

Shut the person out of their community, their social circle and any potential partners: the suffering lasts until the person bends the knee and admits the TRA own them.
 
At that point you might as well not even bother anymore
Don't worry, they aren't.

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The average Episcopalian is in their late sixties today, which means that the average attendance (which was about 550,000 in 2019) will likely be around 300,000 in 2030. Their retention rate for baptized children makes other mainline protestants look like the Amish.

To quote Tucker Carlson (I think), “Once renowned for its liturgy, now a stop on architectural and garden tours. Only tourists go there anymore.”

Sorry to sperg but I hate episcopalians more than null hates the british.
 
Androgynous Male Beauty, the kind that cannot last without fizzling out or transforming Trent-Reznor style, and he has decided to fuck it all up by trying to become a woman instead of just enjoying it.
Buffing up like Trent or trooning out...
God fucking damn it. Is there a chance this can be un-done, or is it totally over? I think he's holding onto a line of thinking that he's going to change my mind and this isn't going to make me end things. There is a 0% chance I would ever marry a troon and the changes he's making are just creepy as all get out. Maybe he would rethink things once some realities set in... that there is a 100% chance I will break up with him and a 95% chance that he will struggle finding anyone else if he goes full troon.
What are his goals? Become the anime GF? We have hundreds of examples here that it DOESNT work, the tube tits the obviously male body, the GRS thread and its horrors, the inevitable T4T.... And also, the eternal what is a woman anyway, elusive question, we know it is not body, is not genitalia is not hormones is not clothes, is not anything... But of coure they need a new body, new genitals, new hormones and whore clothes.

Has the gaslighting on YOU being a lesbian all along started yet?
Agh... I feel for you.
 
Buffing up like Trent or trooning out...

What are his goals? Become the anime GF? We have hundreds of examples here that it DOESNT work, the tube tits the obviously male body, the GRS thread and its horrors, the inevitable T4T.... And also, the eternal what is a woman anyway, elusive question, we know it is not body, is not genitalia is not hormones is not clothes, is not anything... But of coure they need a new body, new genitals, new hormones and whore clothes.

Has the gaslighting on YOU being a lesbian all along started yet?
Agh... I feel for you.

Had a conversation with him last night where basically I said I could never perceive him as a woman and it makes me squeamish to hear our friends use woman-language to identify him, and also that I find the pleated-skirt-and-thigh-highs look on an man disturbing. This was all in the context of "I'm emotionally invested in you and you haven't been forthcoming about what you're trying to do here". A couple weeks ago I also sent him an essay about the medical consequences of exogenous estrogen in men.

Essentially it seems like he doesn't think of himself as a woman and doesn't want to force others to, but he wants people to think of him as "feminine" sometimes and not like the joke of a man in a dress. It sounded to me like he wants to dress femininely some of the time and still be conventionally attractive, so I can kind of see where "becoming a woman" would fit that. Basically I explained to him that this goal is possible but would be way better served by dressing in a compromise "sexy-androgyny" way that compliments his body, instead of actively trying to fight it.

My concerns were basically him having bit into gender ideology and dressing like a creep, but he only seems to have taken half the pronoun pill and seems willing to lay off the anime girl gear?

My other concern is that he's still dead-set on estrogen because he wants to look more feminine-androgynous... he's upset because he has basically no thighs/ass to speak of, but can't this part just be fixed in the gym? I feel like that would be way more effective and healthy. Anyway his #1 goal in life is to be a father, and he seems convinced that he'd be able to keep his fertility by just going off of estrogen to conceive. I've sent him all the studies that show it's a gamble (like 1 out of 3 odds to lose it forever), but he's still going for it.

Uh ultimately he slept on the couch, so idk what the future has in store.
 
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Uh ultimately he slept on the couch, so idk what the future has in store.
You did fantastic, and you did all you could do.
I thought he was going to be it.
For trans widows, they were it. People you love make decisions, and it's hard to love them anymore, except as a lost cause, and from a distance. Chris Tyson's ex watches him put their toddler son in heels on social media.
 
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