Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[glass_houses]

A friend I've known for 15 years - back when we were teens and YouTube had a PM system - first identified as asexual, and now is a full blown handmaiden. I've encountered her comments on Facebook and I know we'll come to a head because I'm a shit poster on mine (and I hang around notable TERF groups). We have similar tastes: same fandoms, same age (we were both Transformers fans at one point) and everything. She was there during my first "friend divorce" (sounds goofy but it was bad, especially for a teenage girl), and we used to send each other gifts. I used to vent to her about everything.

I've also been seeing that she's been majorly depression posting and those types are perfect for the Troon cult. Mind you, it's an online friendship, but I've known her the longest. I'd hate to see her be ruined by these people, and I doubt she'd appreciate viewing the threads here.

I wouldn't have initially minded the asexual thing - she never really had any crushes, male or female, and was never in any relationship - but I'm gradually noticing more and more Troon shit. My fingers are crossed that I won't lose her.

There's a noticeable correlation between identifying as asexual, and trauma and/or autism and/or mental illness. Having one or more of the three seems to strongly increase someone's chances of trooning out.

 

[Aunt Carol]

identifying as asexual

I wonder if it's the "identifying" part that's the red flag.

Asexuality discourse is a whole different thread, but there's a difference between acting asexual--being not sexually-driven but going about your life-- vs. internalizing it and broadcasting it and making it part of your holy capital-I hashtag Identity. That's a first step into the TQ+ affirmation-only social media cult, their acceptance predicated on purity escalation and microlabels.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Want to share, brother?

Seems that there are quite a few in here who can relate. By the grace of god I can’t but I can empathize.

Basic facts:

-Relative I have known since birth, and one of the last people I would have suspected.
-Teenage minor
-Parents are based, aware of the troon menace, had been doing most of the things people recommend to keep the kids safe from it
-Kid got groomed by a peer through a loophole of pure bad luck
-Kid was basically a mastermind at hiding powerlevel and living a double life until it suddenly came to a head. Truly- I am impressed and you know me.
-Parents are devastated and basically panicking
-This was in tandem with a very dire 41 attempt which should be the medical system's first priority
-Of course you know how Clown World goes, so the medical system is splitting their attention roughly 50/50 between the legit medical issues and the troon shit

 

[Fapcop]

Basic facts:

-Relative I have known since birth, and one of the last people I would have suspected.
-Teenage minor
-Parents are based, aware of the troon menace, had been doing most of the things people recommend to keep the kids safe from it
-Kid got groomed by a peer through a loophole of pure bad luck
-Kid was basically a mastermind at hiding powerlevel and living a double life until it suddenly came to a head. Truly- I am impressed and you know me.
-Parents are devastated and basically panicking
-This was in tandem with a very dire 41 attempt which should be the medical system's first priority
-Of course you know how Clown World goes, so the medical system is splitting their attention roughly 50/50 between the legit medical issues and the troon shit

Shit…

I know the parents are based, but you may want to gently remind them about some of the studies that show transition INCREASES suicide risk.

They’re in a vulnerable spot right now, and prime material for some “Well, we may disagree on some things, but I don’t doubt you love your child and want them to be safe!” Bullshit from Dr. Shekelberg.

I’ll pray for you and yours.

 

[King Dead]

There's a noticeable correlation between identifying as asexual, and trauma and/or autism and/or mental illness. Having one or more of the three seems to strongly increase someone's chances of trooning out.

I can relate, one of my former online friends who trooned out told me he was asexual a little while after we first met, and he'd also related stories of personal trauma. I can't remember the details beyond a shitty home life he'd gotten away from, but even if I could I wouldn't want to spill the beans; I figure what little I remember is fine because that can describe so many people. Possibly at least somewhat on the spectrum, though I don't think he was mentally ill...at least not at the time. The last time I checked up on his socials, he was oscillating between depression posting and spouting NPC dialog in support of the current thing. Whether that was caused by trooning out or exacerbated what was already there, I don't know. All I know is that he sure sounded a lot more normal before that, so I don't know what happened. I just regret not keeping up with him so I could have helped, or at least known what he was going through.

But yeah. Those that already have an aversion to normal sexual behavior, or hell, even normal relationships, seem to be prime targets for the cult.

 

[Not A Bunny]

Those that already have an aversion to normal sexual behavior, or hell, even normal relationships, seem to be prime targets for the cult.

It's almost as if the trans cult is unwilling to admit that you have to be kind of fucked up to embrace an alternative lifestyle that goes to this kind of extreme, and the rest of us just ignore it.

This sort of thing reinforces my belief that if your kid says he or she is somehow trans and it comes entirely out of nowhere*, the first thing you do is find them a new friend group and get them straight into therapy and you tell the therapist "my kid needs help with self-esteem".

*I'm sorry but we've always heard stories about that gay guy or girl where the family "always kind of knew". If being trans is something that comes from nowhere or has some rapid onset? It's because that person is mentally imbalanced and needs stabilizing.

 

[the printer is outo fink]

Shit…

I know the parents are based, but you may want to gently remind them about some of the studies that show transition INCREASES suicide risk.

They’re in a vulnerable spot right now, and prime material for some “Well, we may disagree on some things, but I don’t doubt you love your child and want them to be safe!” Bullshit from Dr. Shekelberg.

I’ll pray for you and yours.

Yeah. I mean I know how I feel about this bullshit but every so often, I have moments of wondering - what if I'm wrong. And as a parent, on many aspects of life, I have moments of wondering if I'm wrong, because I have been wrong about things. So if my kid started to go down this path, I'd be considering everything I think I know.

My kid is preteen and pretty based himself, but I think that kids are often more based than teenagers because hormones and peer pressure can play havoc. So I have money in a bank account that is unofficially earmarked as a 'save him' fund. If he ever starts going down a stupid path (and it could be addiction/bad friends/etc as well as gender shit), I want to have the option to drop everything and pull him out of it. I'm thinking that something like a months long internet free adventure holiday with lots of physical stuff like surfing/kayaking/climbing/hiking would be good for a reset. I might be being really naive about how much that would help but I see lots of threads on mumsnet by mothers who know their child is basically being sucked into this cult and it's always a case of a friend/teacher/girlfriend/friend's parent who is fueling it. And if they can cut off that person, things get better, if they can't, that person/those people keep on making it worse.

If it's at all possible for these parents to do that, I think it would be strongly worth considering, although the suicide attempt complicates that massively. Organisations like Transgender Trend can offer advice and may be able to recommend counselling/doctor options from someone sensible. And forums like Mumsnet can be good for advice, it's known as Terfsnet for a reason, though best to go on the specific Sex and Gender forum as there are TRA activists that try to target the site, pretending to be parents who have accepted their child's transition, and the S&G users are the ones who will recognise them and call them out immediately.

 

[MsFrancisFoster]

A good friend of fifteen years just decided to come out to me as an they/themby. No, bitch, you're not "non-binary", you're just a fat, weird, white autistic chick who has been alienated by everyone her entire life for being a fat weird autistic chick! That's it, that's the stitch!

She started hanging out with a bunch of insufferable enbies and trannies from her Final Fantasy 14 raid group so I'm not fucking surprised the mind virus cultists have infected her. Another female autist bites the dust because of being easy prey.

I hope her based as fuck boyfriend tells her to knock that shit off, like when he told her off about her "asexual" label by saying: "Not wanting sex unless it's with someone you love and trust is normal."

Otherwise, I'm just going to make a comfortable distance and keep her at arms length. I refuse to deal with this shit.

 

[Procrastinhater]

I won’t identify myself due to opsec but think of the entire bucket of minorities in one person

A gay Black Mexican Palestinian Jew thats blind with one Thalidomide hand and in a wheelchair?
And has tourettes?

Apologies for the vent if this is too much.

No apologies necessary in this thread homie, its a vent thread.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I hope her based as fuck boyfriend tells her to knock that shit off, like when he told her off about her "asexual" label by saying: "Not wanting sex unless it's with someone you love and trust is normal."

A seemingly patient, good man, though I question his sanity for choosing to continue dating her.

 

[MsFrancisFoster]

A seemingly patient, good man, though I question his sanity for choosing to continue dating her.

It's a total opposites attract thing. They compliment each other in a lot of places and they do bring out the best in one another as far as I've ever witnessed. So I'm hoping if she does bring it up to him, he basically corners her with the right questions that make her stop to realize she's contracted the social contagion.

Spoiler: Ranting about the Friend

But my friend is...Someone I would personally describe as very neglected, to the point she's a shrinking violet wall flower even in her own home. Low self esteem, low self worth, doesn't like how she looks, dresses like a frumpy teenager (despite being thirty) to avoid being "perceived" by others, non-confrontational to the point she lets people walk all over her. Has been alienated and ostracized her entire life for being fat, weird, autistic, and not having the right "feminine" hobbies. Suffered bullying for liking anime and nerd shit from both peers and her own mother in her developing years. Her mum basically drilled it into her head that she wasn't performing her gender role the "right" way and wasn't "feminine" enough. To the point that her own mother went "That's what's wrong with you!" to her face when my friend got her autism diagnosis. She is also the only child of a double income, middle class household so her parents where basically never around for her. They tossed electronics at her from a young age and just kind of let her to her own devices. I am genuinely impressed she wasn't sexually abused or groomed into this shit earlier considering she's a Golden Goose for those sorts of sick fucks.

But this whole gender woo nonsense started when she started making "non-binary" Original Characters in our roleplays. Then she changed her FF14 avatar from a female character to a male character. Then she started going by a unisex name that her FF14 character had. Cause people were accidentally misgendering her as a "He"" during raids and stuff. She said she "didn't mind" being misgendered like she used to when misgendering was used as a way to bully and belittle her (she got called a shemale and a "he" a lot). Which is why I am just so frustrated! Of course you don't mind! Because it's not something to mind! Accidents happen! It means you are comfortable in your own skin now and can brush it off, because it doesn't mean anything! Top that off with her raid group being a white liberal hug box for trannies and fags of all calibre, and bam, you've got an emotionally neglected autistic girl with body image problems who is ripe for the mind virus to take hold.

I genuinely just hope it's a fucking phase she gets out of when she finally drops the raid group. Specifically the tranny she befriended because he gives me AGP vibes, but my internet stalking skills have turned up nothing on him that I can find.

Editing to add this: It also frustrates me because her suddenly identifying as nonbinary proves EVERYONE who questioned her gender expression as a girl as RIGHT in their assertion that she wasn't a girl in the first place for liking video games and anime. Like why would you want to prove any of the people who spent your entire life making you feel othered for being a nonconventional girl RIGHT? Seriously, it boggles my mind.

 

[BoomerSperg1922]

That's what I figured. And it's always the moms!

I've read about dads supporting it before, but whenever I read deeper into whatever article it is the motivation almost always has nothing to do with the troon itself and is usually psychotic.

For example, was I reading about some tranny athlete the other day who's name escapes me, and the dad 'totally supported "her" transition.' Then I kept reading and it was apparent he was only doing so to try and fuck the mother in a custody battle. Didn't care about the kid, but can't let the ex-wife win.

 

[Baraadmirer]

He also converted to (a low-commitment level iirc) Judaism because he hated his Catholic parents.

I have to ask, is this a thing? My late trans friend also "converted to Judaism", and I vaguely recall her family being Catholics (or some flavour of religious). Is there something about Judaism that attracts troonery?

 

[seri0us]

Is there something about Judaism that attracts troonery?

The persecution historical narrative, the Talmud claiming that there's actually six genders, and the part in the Torah telling followers to cut up the penises of their newborns

 

[merrybrandybuck]

I have to ask, is this a thing? My late trans friend also "converted to Judaism", and I vaguely recall her family being Catholics (or some flavour of religious). Is there something about Judaism that attracts troonery?

Reform Judaism, the only type of Judaism that tolerates trannies, is a New Age-y free for all of sorts. Actual Jews don't consider Reform converts Jewish.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

I have to ask, is this a thing? My late trans friend also "converted to Judaism", and I vaguely recall her family being Catholics (or some flavour of religious). Is there something about Judaism that attracts troonery?

might be because all the academics whose ideas they indoctrinate themselves with are jewish.

 

[Jean d'Arc]

The one friend who I thought wouldn't cave has been "trying out" they/them. I really do not want to be the only woman in this group of female friends, it's both sad and infuriating that everyone else has to play pretend and do gender, and all for what? Attention? Asspats? I don't want to rock the boat but it's so tiring just smiling and nodding at women abandoning womanhood and men trying to co-opt it.

 

[Fapcop]

Reform Judaism, the only type of Judaism that tolerates trannies, is a New Age-y free for all of sorts. Actual Jews don't consider Reform converts Jewish.

The bright side is that reform Jews won’t be around in the present form in a generation or two.

It’s already basically an occasional social club for rich Democrats who need some “spirituality”.

Not that much different from the menopausal ladies who go to new age retreats or buy crystals.

They’re already for the most part only quarter Jews or half Jews as best.

But for some reason they still feel entitled to send lesbian rabbis to Israel to bitch and moan and tell them how they’re allowed to worship at the most sacred site in Judaism.

 

[TismFarmer]

might be because all the academics whose ideas they indoctrinate themselves with are jewish.

May also be because both Trannys and Jews are the ultimate 'Rules Lawyers'.
The Trannys use linguistic tricks and semantics to get around the laws of nature and Jews use linguistic tricks and semantics to get around the laws of G-d...

 

[Aunt Carol]

Reform Judaism, the only type of Judaism that tolerates trannies, is a New Age-y free for all of sorts. Actual Jews don't consider Reform converts Jewish.

It sounds like they're Unitarians with more street cred by piggybacking on Judaism; is that accurate?