Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[barrow greeter]

I mentioned a while back a friend I had who is transitioning her child. There's been some tension between me and her, because I refuse to honor the child's pronouns as picked by her and I remain "neutral" ( I literally only used the child's name, no pronouns, and when she tries to engage in attention seeking behavior regarding how she is choosing to dress her little boy as a girl I greyrock her.) I continue to hope that in a few years, she will wake up and because I've remained in her life but as a neutral party, she may feel safe to talk to me. I know that her husband is not on board and has told me that everyday he prays that this will end and he can have his son back.

I visited the family recently and I was shocked by how out of control the little boy who's being transition's behavior has become. His mother openly talks about how he has to have multiple therapists, because he has depressive spirals on a weekly basis. He also has some of the most severe attention seeking I've ever seen in a small child (he's still in elementary school). This kid cannot go more than 30 seconds without somebody giving him undivided attention , and once those 30 seconds are up and no one is paying attention, he starts to act out physically and loudly. He'll turn on all the electronics in the house full volume when he wakes up before his parents, because if he's awake, everyone else needs to be awake and paying attention to him. He is out of control. He also gets undressed for attention and his Mom has gotten reports from home about how other students and teachers are uncomfortable because he won't stop talking about his penis or referring to his penis in class. He also grabs his chest and fondles it and calls those his "boobies". Their other children are normal and do not have any of these behavioral issues. This child also had behavioral issues before his Mom started putting him in a dress and calling him a girl, but they have dramatically worsened since.

This is so fucked up.

She'll be stepping over a precipice once she take the medical interventions on her child into irreversible territory ; then a true believer becomes an implement of spreading and promoting this gender terrorism for life, to anyone who is in their life and social circles -

 

[LimeRikki]

How old is this boy? If he's older than 7, this behavior isn't going to go away as easily.

Its not going to go away easily then, but that doesn't surprise me.

Separate from the trans stuff this kid has some kind of underlying psychological issue going on. That's a statement that i'm really hesitant to make about a child for a lot of reasons, but it applies here.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

-previous-

I was told someone else found this encounter bizarre and kinda creepy. Then I was asked if I thought he'd keep acting like this. I had to break it to him. Dude, it only gets worse from here. I'm in it for the sideshow value now. If we were talking about a teenage boy tricked into this by discord groomers, I've seen detrans happen. But a man over 30 who's leveled up some kind of closeted crossdressing kink into full transbian, speedrunning his surgeries within a year of announcing the troonery? That's never going to stop. It's never going to reel in. It will only ever get creepier, more demanding you behave like you're attracted to his body, and respect fewer boundaries. Middle-aged transbianism is terminal. The fetish escalates until the troon's early death, either from 41%, complications with the never-enough surgeries, or severely foreshortened lifespan from the hormones. His hobbies have already started falling by the wayside in favor of making "being a tranny" the whole of his personality. This also doesn't reverse. Once a crossdresser has a circle of encouragement, he's passed the lip of the black hole. He will only sink deeper.

 

[toilet_rainbow]

How old is this boy? If he's older than 7, this behavior isn't going to go away as easily.
>grabs his chest and calls those his "boobies"
Either this kid is being sexually abused or his mind has been so twisted that he is exhibiting the behavior of a child who has been sexually abused.

I have to wonder what else he's watching if he's doing that on top of everything. A lot of trans moms love to watch drag shows (particularly RuPaul's Drag Race) and I know I've seen at least a couple on social media casually drop their trans children watching it. Drag is not for children, period.

Obviously, it wouldn't be a sole factor. But besides having his problematic behavior enabled, he's getting additional influence from somewhere.

Social justice warriors are fucking cultists foaming at the mouth, desperate for a target on which to vent their spleen. They're exactly the type of person who, in ultra conservative countries, looks forward to and gets considerable pleasure in stoning their fellow community members to death at the whiff of transgression regardless of what actually happened and the circumstances surrounding it. Anyone who is not 284% committed to X is a monster, especially a moderate. Grey thinking is a far worse crime than the extreme opposite viewpoint because it threatens to insinuate itself into the overall narrative, and insideously destroy it from within.

It could have been anything that set off @TismFarmer 's daughter in law. It could have been pointing out that Trump's death camps didn't manifest themselves in his first term and are unlikely to manifest themselves in the second. It could have been suggesting that sometimes the long-term "unhoused" often deliberately decide to remain "unhoused". It could have been drawing daughter in law's attention to the ill effects of importing a million immigrants a year into a country that doesn't have a fraction of the resources needed to support them. In this case, it was pointing to extensively documented predatory behaviours and suggesting that deliberately allowing these predators access to their prey may not be a good idea.

Ultimately, it makes no difference whether @TismFarmer 's crime was transphobia, or raycism, or homophobia, classism, or whatever. Daughter in law now knows that her mother in law is the worst type of person in the world: a grey thinker, a fence sitter, someone who refuses to follow the cult directions to the letter, and worst of all, refuses to pretend that she can't see the emperor's dangly hairy bollocks swaying gently in the breeze for all to see.

Something I've noticed is that a lot of social justice warriors, particularly the most frothy mouth cultists, is that they are extremely focused on being seen as on the "right side" of history. Pointing out nuance, debunking viral claims, or actual discourse that doesn't conclude with "Orange Man Bad, everyone not like me is Nazi" terrifies them because it's poking holes into their belief system. Much like with the most terminally transitioning trannies, you cannot win an argument with them. Sure, poke another hole into their logic if you wish, but it is very unlikely to do anything but make them mad.

While poking one too many holes may help in the long run, it's ultimately up to them to see it as it is. And if they are more worried about being seen as "right" in a textbook 50 years from now versus "hey, maybe calling everyone that disagrees with me a Nazi is actually a really bad idea," that realization is not coming in a long, long time (if ever). If DIL ever breaks out of it, there is a lot of damage that she'll be lucky to partially unfuck, all because she placed looking good in the eyes of other handmaidens over good family ties. Hope it was worth it, because it sure doesn't look it to me.

 

[Appletuncrusader]

good news for once. I caught up with an old TRA friend recently and it seems like he circled back to being a regular heterosexual(no TIMs) man after dipping into and “exploring his sexuality” with LGBTQBRAP stuff. About as regular as you can get after getting fucked up doing all that anyway.

None of my other friends are getting any better on troonism, and I’m in too deep in some circles to make a sudden exit, as much as I do not want be around to see them hurt themselves.

How do any of you kiwis deal with being a “hidden” KF using “bigot”?

 

[ScurvyRat]

How do any of you kiwis deal with being a “hidden” KF using “bigot”?

That's my secret. I'm not quiet about it. I refuse to be a part of social circles with troons and call out as many of them for being disgusting violent perverts in my everyday life.
Got one banned from all the dating apps after he caught an assault charge.
Mogged another one into wearing gender appropriate clothes by scaring him with "Trump is coming"
Left a couple local gaming groups because this one troon was trying to get me banned from businesses around town. I don't fuck with people who threaten me and I let the disgusting tranny know what I thought about it.

I covered it earlier in the thread, but I receive backlash at first. But thru holding my ground and never apologizing, I end up coming out the other side more respected.

Don't be in the closet. That's for fags. Be loud about your "bigotry." Most people agree with you, they're just too fucking cowardly to say it. Be the mouthpiece for sane people and you will be thanked.

 

[Mourning_Cloak]

I saw a meme recently using video from those bird feeder cameras. It was a clip of a male cardinal angrily "yelling" at other birds trying to get food that cut to him later "cooing" at a female cardinal who was eating the seeds. The caption was something about boyfriends. There was a comment that said, "Relationships are scary because what if my man isn't a cardinal?" (implying that it's desirable for a man to be like male birds who watch out for their mates).

I thought the comment was funny and "literally me." But reading this thread has got me thinking...relationships are scary because what if he decides to troon out after I have our baby? Sure, there are red flags to look out for, but humans can be incredibly deceptive and there's really only so much that can be done. It's not fair to look at every woman (or man I suppose) who's lost a spouse to troonism and hand wave them away as just being dumb, gullible, and/or deserving. I remember people tried to talk shit about Chris Tyson's wife and made wild assumptions about her based on nothing.

 

[Paper Machete]

I saw a meme recently using video from those bird feeder cameras. It was a clip of a male cardinal angrily "yelling" at other birds trying to get food that cut to him later "cooing" at a female cardinal who was eating the seeds. The caption was something about boyfriends. There was a comment that said, "Relationships are scary because what if my man isn't a cardinal?" (implying that it's desirable for a man to be like male birds who watch out for their mates).

I thought the comment was funny and "literally me." But reading this thread has got me thinking...relationships are scary because what if he decides to troon out after I have our baby? Sure, there are red flags to look out for, but humans can be incredibly deceptive and there's really only so much that can be done. It's not fair to look at every woman (or man I suppose) who's lost a spouse to troonism and hand wave them away as just being dumb, gullible, and/or deserving. I remember people tried to talk shit about Chris Tyson's wife and made wild assumptions about her based on nothing.

Uhm, obviously you hack into their devices regularly and know about everything they're doing and with who at all times and wiretap their momma's house and put GPS trackers on all known vehicles. "It's toxic to snoop" is for suckers! /sneed

The biggest issue is exactly with that toaster meme. Instead of there being natural guardrails up to curb such behavior if it does happen to get into someone's head, they are actively torn down so more retarded stuff (and increasingly extreme variations of the same) is facilitated. XYZ has always existed but there is something to be said for the very high barrier for entry into living certain fetishes out, even in private, that is no longer the case.

A lot of behaviors that you could intervene when they showed up as warning signs are also things people are actively encouraged to overlook. It's not just "vetting" the person beforehand in this context but also being able to maintain sanity by helping them out of maladaptive and self-destructive pathways.

 

[LimeRikki]

A lot of trans moms love to watch drag shows (particularly RuPaul's Drag Race)

She has troon and pooner friends who spend time with her kids and she also loves drag race.

Good thought, it slipped by me totally.

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

How do any of you kiwis deal with being a “hidden” KF using “bigot”?

I don't shout I use KF to everyone but I don't dissaprove it either. If someone disagrees and says kiwifarms bad I agree to disagree and move on.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

How do any of you kiwis deal with being a “hidden” KF using “bigot”?

By realizing it's just a word pinned on my by people who hate me. A word ceases to have power when we cease to let it. The assessments of people who baselessly hate me shouldn't be believed.

That's my secret. I'm not quiet about it.

Pure gold post.

 

[Play_DMC]

A long time internet friend of mine slowly got more and more troubled mentally, and ended up fully trooning out. Nasally voice trying to sound "femme". Long story short they grew to hate me for just being a cis straight male. Only found out recently that they only went tranny mode because of a brain worm they had, but they still are trans. Not only that but have doubled down on it.

 

[Niggernerd]

How do any of you kiwis deal with being a “hidden” KF using “bigot”?

I just be blunt. Since I live in a red state it's pretty easy to mock troons even at the workplace with coworkers
I don't talk about using KF because its kinda redditor to.
And my friends/gf are well aware how unapologetically phobic,ism,ist I am.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

How do any of you kiwis deal with being a “hidden” KF using “bigot”?

Plenty of reasonable troons who know it's a fetish, straight up. With so much brainrot going around, it's not far off chemsex, kid-diddling and urethral sounding to go "lmao it's hot when a dude ODs on hormones and pumps his they/them dick on cam". However once you realize that your life is all about sex and porn, people tend to sober up and move away from it. If anything, cutting the ties to everything trans seems easier than having to deal with each aspect of your life being tied to different adjacencies to it.

Anyway: One of the 'real' trooners I've met has gotten awfully close to straight or male4male in their all-consuming fetishism across social media. It has been "muscular male bodies with a female head on" for quite some time, but now they've started leaning into basically (mostly furry) gay4gay 'Daddy' type porn, but still with a little dash of female to make sure it's troon-coded. Now they're simply genderfluid, which to them probably just means they wanna be called faggot one day and sissy the next, but it's a curious development. Another 3 years and they might finally realize your taste in porn isn't a gender or that you can keep pumping it to whatever without needing labels for it.

The few times they go "Maybe im just a delusional faggot lol" I am teary eyed with the possibility of them going back to -just- being a sinful poo consumer.

 

[flipwizardmagoo]

An ex friend/partner of mine came out as FtM a while back. When I met her, she’d only ever had two relationships with men and was about 21, I think, and although I was the first woman she was ever intimate with, she was certain she was lesbian at that point.

All romantic and sexual interactions ended when she became overly attached and obsessed and I could not reciprocate, and after our “break,” she became “alcoholic” (I put this in quotes because I don’t know how much of it was overconsumption and true addiction or just BPD attention seeking) and then went through AA. While there, she met a guy and they hit it off, and she decided she was bisexual. After things ended with them, out of seemingly nowhere she cut off all of her hair and said she was now a man, changed her name, started dressing radically different, etc.

I haven’t spoken to her since she came out because I know I won’t be able to reach her. She’s wrestled with labels and self and identity since her teens, and it’s deeply upsetting to me, someone who grew up a tomboy, told my family I was a boy in a girl body before social media was invented — and grew out of all of that and am very secure and comfortable with the idea of being a woman. I just wish there was a way to tell her that she is, too. I wish this wasn’t a thing people even have to struggle with.

 

[deermeat]

im crying right now, i have to go to work in a hour and a half. i cant stop crying. i dont know how to emotionally handle this, i wish i could confide in someone irl. i want to die. i feel so alone in this.
the fact he and the rest, are involved in actual cult shit, let alone troonery. the fact two people were killed by members of the same community.

its all surreal. i wish i could get help but its like i cant. i feel insane, the world feels insane right now.
i feel numb. i wish i could call off work. i wish i had someone to feel close with. what the fuck, man. my life is fucking insane. ive been through so much shit the average person hasnt, and now i have to deal with this too? i dont know how to simply ignore this. how can you ignore something like this.

how do you cope with this. hes gonna do something to himself and now i gotta worry about him doing something else.
i dont even know the full details. i dont know whats going on in there, they keep referencing shit and making cryptic tweets. they have their own emojis and shit. its fucking morbid.

 

[glass_houses]

just BPD attention seeking

That's the only sentence in your friend's saga that you need to hang on to. Let me guess, she's also one of those individuals who latches onto every tiktok/insta movement, she was a hardcore sad beige person for a while but now she's thrown out all her macramae wall hangings and is all about the maximalist movement, the only books she reads and shows she watches are the ultra popular ones that everyone else is watching and when she gushes about them it sounds like she's reading off of a review column because that's exactly what she's doing...

Has she ever said to you, "I don't know what I like"? I'll lay my rent down on her saying exactly that on multiple occasions.

Your friend is a pooner because that's what's fashionable. Forty years ago she would have been a Buddhist. Sixty years ago she would have been a hippy. She has no beliefs of her own, no internal life. She will always look to other people to give her an identity. Another decade she'll marry some Muslim and become the most toxic, rigid, judgemental Muslima imaginable because that's her new identity now.

The problem isn't the trans movement. No matter who or what or when your friend was born into, she'd always be seeking what she was born without: a soul.

 

[NoReturn]

i dont know whats going on in there, they keep referencing shit and making cryptic tweets. they have their own emojis and shit. its fucking morbid.

Ok, maybe do share this part if it's publicly available, for archival purposes.

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

Spoiler: New Update! little PL

He told me and our friend group that the guy we met as him is dead and that's not longer him, he now identifies himself as a fictional character saying "now my name is *insert fictional character's name*
Jesus fucking Christ. I genuinely don't know what to think about that, it is really hard to believe him after he said that, but at the same time it makes me sad thinking that someone i knew changed for the worst and he only continues to get worse and worse. I know this is all delusion, but really this is how it feels when someone you care about gets into this mess of an ideology, you lose someone, and him putting it with those words really makes me sad. I knew he was unable to be saved at this point, but man, it feels frustrating.

Friend group started talking again, he joined in. Its been months since we talked.
So of course, the usual questions you ask to someone emerge.
A friend asked him how he was doing? What has he done in this time we haven't seen each other.
I for real was not mentally prepared to hear what he said.
He said he's happy, he is now living with his "non binary" but still female girlfriend (this is not missgendering her, she is actually just a girl that looks, acts and behaves like any other woman, but thats only nonbinary because she said so)
Which whatever, he's happy, good for him j guess. But he worded this in a very specific way. He literally said "I'm now living with the girl I was stalking"
This guy just gets worse every single time we speak to him

 

[teriyakiburns]

He literally said "I'm now living with the girl I was stalking"

Question: Does she know this?