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Yamaha YM2612 said:
Hypothetical on a vintage cube...you get passed a good card for your deck, but also an on-color mox...what do you take?
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You take the mox even if it's off-color. There's exceedingly few exceptions to this, like maybe if it's pack-3 and you've got a perfect LED storm deck and in that mox-pack is underworld breach, a card that isn't likely to wheel so late even if you're the only one who can use it. If you're playing a fair deck (non-combo), there's basically no reason you wouldn't take the mox.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
>Make strong cards
>People complain about power creep
>Make weak cards
>People complain about no Strong Cards.
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I would say it's not exactly that; if you make not-Magic cards and make not-Commander players play with them you have to actually make fun powerful and not extraordinarily narrow cards. Spidermans, the Turtles rares, and now most of the spoiled Marvel shit look boring, weak, and narrow. Compare this to the reception of LotRs, Avatar, and Final Fantasy where the cards are pretty reasonable power level (except Vivi) and fun (shit like the Summon-sagas and the *bending) and generally play well in with general mtg (avoiding fairly parasitic and mostly lower powered set mechanics like web slinging and sneak)

People are always going to be more mad about Spiderman and TMNT being shitty then they are about Murders and Aetherdrift because at least the latter are bad magic sets and not bad UB sets.
 
Oddjob OTP said:
I would say it's not exactly that; if you make not-Magic cards and make not-Commander players play with them you have to actually make fun powerful and not extraordinarily narrow cards. Spidermans, the Turtles rares, and now most of the spoiled Marvel shit look boring, weak, and narrow. Compare this to the reception of LotRs, Avatar, and Final Fantasy where the cards are pretty reasonable power level (except Vivi) and fun (shit like the Summon-sagas and the *bending) and generally play well in with general mtg (avoiding fairly parasitic and mostly lower powered set mechanics like web slinging and sneak)

People are always going to be more mad about Spiderman and TMNT being shitty then they are about Murders and Aetherdrift because at least the latter are bad magic sets and not bad UB sets.
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People bitched constantly about the power level of BFZ-Amonkhet era. That is why we got FIRE era design, which people bitched about being too strong because to affect eternal formats it has to be strong enough to push something out of an existing meta.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
People bitched constantly about the power level of BFZ-Amonkhet era. That is why we got FIRE era design, which people bitched about being too strong because to affect eternal formats it has to be strong enough to push something out of an existing meta.
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What I'm saying is that you might get bitching about making a junk set standard full of shitty cards but you'll get a lot more if your junk standard set is filled with junk FNAF UB cards. If spiderman was a real magic set and merely bad it would have earned a lot less bitching.
 
Oddjob OTP said:
What I'm saying is that you might get bitching about making a junk set standard full of shitty cards but you'll get a lot more if your junk standard set is filled with junk FNAF UB cards. If spiderman was a real magic set and merely bad it would have earned a lot less bitching.
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No people will bitch regardless, people bitch endlessly about Ixalan being "weak" despite Pro Tour Guild's of Ravnica having a bunch of Ixalan Cards in the top 8 and the Golgari Explore package being considered one of the strongest things you could be doing at the time, it just "looked" weak compared to the retardation of Aetherworks Marvel.

Like Final Fantasy is not really an above power set overall but it was well received because it was well done, as opposed to Spiderman which was just half assed AND weak.
 
Oddjob OTP said:
What I'm saying is that you might get bitching about making a junk set standard full of shitty cards but you'll get a lot more if your junk standard set is filled with junk FNAF UB cards. If spiderman was a real magic set and merely bad it would have earned a lot less bitching.
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Because of licensing issues, the digital version of spiderman got in-universe art with a bunch of actual spiders. It's better, not by much but better than spiderman, with a bad set and it really made me see UB shit as the ads for different IPs they effectively are.
 
If anything, I'd think a bad UB set would be a good thing. Then you can just ignore it while WotC seethes, like with Spiderman. Hell, there might be enough sets now that even Standard can avoid it.
 
Billy the Adult said:
If anything, I'd think a bad UB set would be a good thing. Then you can just ignore it while WotC seethes, like with Spiderman. Hell, there might be enough sets now that even Standard can avoid it.
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What do you think happened with Spiderman? Outside of Multiversal Passage what actually sees play?
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
People bitched constantly about the power level of BFZ-Amonkhet era. That is why we got FIRE era design, which people bitched about being too strong because to affect eternal formats it has to be strong enough to push something out of an existing meta.
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That's the thing, this isn't even bad for eternal, this is bad for Standard currently.

Honka Honka Burning Love said:
What do you think happened with Spiderman? Outside of Multiversal Passage what actually sees play?
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Superior Spiderman sees play in multiple reanimator builds (Top 8 in the most recent pro-tour in multiple decks). Spider Sense is just a Stifle sideboard effect (Multiple top 8 side boards in the most recent pro tour). Spider Manifestation saw top 8 in the pro tour. Interdimensional Web Watch was a four of in one top 8 deck, and one deck had a single Sandman in the sideboard.

Spiderman probably sees about as much play as any set in Standard currently, and while it's too early to talk about TMNT, based on what I've seen I can't imagine it will be anywhere near as close.
 
Starting to think we were too hard on Ashling...
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
No people will bitch regardless, people bitch endlessly about Ixalan being "weak" despite Pro Tour Guild's of Ravnica having a bunch of Ixalan Cards in the top 8 and the Golgari Explore package being considered one of the strongest things you could be doing at the time, it just "looked" weak compared to the retardation of Aetherworks Marvel.
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The hate for Ixalan confused me then and it still does now. Every tribe in the set had cards that saw actual Standard play, it produced several EDH staples, gave us explore and treasures, had some of the best only character development across the entire Gatewatch storyline, and Seb McKinnon's art made the Legion of Dusk one of the most iconic factions the game had seen in years. Only real complaints I have are that the pirates and the dinosaur spics are kind of gay.
 
Retink Retunk said:
That's the thing, this isn't even bad for eternal, this is bad for Standard currently.
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Standard in it's current state is effectively an Eternal format in terms of the size of the Card Pool (Currently about 4000 Cards, Pioneer started at about 5000 so by rotation it will be equal with Pioneer)

Superior Spiderman sees play in multiple reanimator builds (Top 8 in the most recent pro-tour in multiple decks). Spider Sense is just a Stifle sideboard effect (Multiple top 8 side boards in the most recent pro tour). Spider Manifestation saw top 8 in the pro tour. Interdimensional Web Watch was a four of in one top 8 deck, and one deck had a single Sandman in the sideboard.

Spiderman probably sees about as much play as any set in Standard currently, and while it's too early to talk about TMNT, based on what I've seen I can't imagine it will be anywhere near as close.
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You are correct, I didn't even know they were doing a Pro Tour also LMAO The Classic "Graveyard Combo deck spikes an event because people got lax and cut down on graveyard hate" Dredge players love to see it.

Starting to think we were too hard on Ashling...
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Kind of impressive but required 3 specific cards plus 3 other creatures on the field, it was a good line but given he had a wide field he probably wasn't evoking too many things so he wasn't using Ashling's ability all that much.

That is why I called it cute, it will do some insanely good things with a few cards but typically you won't wanna use it because Evoking doesn't keep the board clogged up so you don't get punched.
 
Retink Retunk said:
Don't lust after the Ashlingussy, it will burn your boopis.
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Titanium antenna, baby!

Anyway, some interesting bits from MaRo's podcast. I know he doesn't read this thread but sometimes it makes you wonder...

So he spends the entire episode explaining why blocks are absolutely not - never ever - returning.

Finally I have this 3 min clip from his "subjectivity in design" episode. You'll know why it's here.
 
Flexo said:
Titanium antenna, baby!

Anyway, some interesting bits from MaRo's podcast. I know he doesn't read this thread but sometimes it makes you wonder...

So he spends the entire episode explaining why blocks are absolutely not - never ever - returning.

Finally I have this 3 min clip from his "subjectivity in design" episode. You'll know why it's here.
magic-the-gathering-drive__1306-subjectivity-in-desi.mp3
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Does this mean it will be returning soon?
 
Flexo said:
Titanium antenna, baby!

Anyway, some interesting bits from MaRo's podcast. I know he doesn't read this thread but sometimes it makes you wonder...

So he spends the entire episode explaining why blocks are absolutely not - never ever - returning.

Finally I have this 3 min clip from his "subjectivity in design" episode. You'll know why it's here.
magic-the-gathering-drive__1306-subjectivity-in-desi.mp3
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MaRo sounds like he should've been shoved into a fucking locker.

Back to the topic at hand Ashling the Limitless is the best Elemental commander so far. Mass of Mysteries only works if you're actively denying Ashling. Horde of Notions works if you plan on keeping your evoked elementals. In fact there's workarounds for Ashling's weaknesses that elementals inherently provide.

Lack of a board presence? Get elementals that'll spam a whole bunch of tokens. No card draw? Get elementals that'll draw a fuck ton of cards. Lastly, dealing with other's large ass armies? There's Sunderflock, Impulsivity to grab a board wipe, and if you're desperate Tyrant of Discord to whittle it down.

Ashling only gets better from here.
 
Flexo said:
So he spends the entire episode explaining why blocks are absolutely not - never ever - returning.
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You know if they took those shitty Aftermath sets and made them into small block sets they'd actually preform ok. Imagine if they took Spiderman and made it set two or three of the Marvel block instead of a stand alone bullshit product.

Flexo said:
Finally I have this 3 min clip from his "subjectivity in design" episode. You'll know why it's here.
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The problem with his thinking is that when you do everything to avoid any negativity you create an equally skewed reality and over time you make other things negative by comparison and prevent any kind of development.

Next time one of these MaRo types brings up some historic shit about white people or America they should be asked why they're tearing people down instead of building them up and watch the cognitive dissonance fly.
 
Retink Retunk said:
You know if they took those shitty Aftermath sets and made them into small block sets they'd actually preform ok. Imagine if they took Spiderman and made it set two or three of the Marvel block instead of a stand alone bullshit product.
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Honestly, I kinda want to try a sealed pod of 2x MOM, 2x Aftermath, and see how it turns out. I feel like using the aftermath as a “draft format adjuster” it would feel much better than “small set we purposely didn’t put commons in”
 
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