Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Romulus augustulus]

I've looked at those, too. I was hoping to find another decocker, exposed hammer fired number. Mrs. Balls is probably the most proficient woman I know with firearms, but just like me replacing the Jericho with the BUL for EDC, she learned on the Cheetah. I don't want her to have to relearn a ton to both make the firearm ready and render it safe. Been drilling her, and she can operate on muscle memory her beretta under duress. Want something that may not be exactly the same, but her reptile brain skills translate heavily towards.

what about the new cheetah? but if the old gun isn't broken why replace it anyway?

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

what about the new cheetah? but if the old gun isn't broken why replace it anyway?
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Try not to powerlevel, but we live outside a major city (we're in the top ten most dangerous cities in America) about 40 mins away in the country. Our jurisdiction is technically presided over by the mayor of that city. That mayor, though our state is one of the hardest line pro-2A "our cops will not comply with federal gun laws" states, is a turbo cuck "they were just protestors" "no one needs a gun for any reason" hardline bluetard. He has been increasingly getting involved in self-defense and gun related crimes (no, not those ones, silly. The ones that involve legal gun owners.) and pressuring for harsher sentences for self-defense. they mostly go nowhere, since if it makes it to state court, it gets shut down pretty handily.
But the increased pressure to get legal guns off the street mixed with not so on the level police, has led to a heavy glut this year of people not getting their guns back post-SD situation, or if they end up spending the money to legally compel them, getting them back borderline destroyed and parted out.
Mrs. Balls is partial to hers, emotionally attached since it was the first gun that was ever hers, so we're replacing with something similar, but cheap enough that if a cop decides to keep it, we're not financially or sentimentally impacted all to heavy.

 

[wopirish]

Try not to powerlevel, but we live outside a major city (we're in the top ten most dangerous cities in America) about 40 mins away in the country. Our jurisdiction is technically presided over by the mayor of that city. That mayor, though our state is one of the hardest line pro-2A "our cops will not comply with federal gun laws" states, is a turbo cuck "they were just protestors" "no one needs a gun for any reason" hardline bluetard. He has been increasingly getting involved in self-defense and gun related crimes (no, not those ones, silly. The ones that involve legal gun owners.) and pressuring for harsher sentences for self-defense. they mostly go nowhere, since if it makes it to state court, it gets shut down pretty handily.
But the increased pressure to get legal guns off the street mixed with not so on the level police, has led to a heavy glut this year of people not getting their guns back post-SD situation, or if they end up spending the money to legally compel them, getting them back borderline destroyed and parted out.
Mrs. Balls is partial to hers, emotionally attached since it was the first gun that was ever hers, so we're replacing with something similar, but cheap enough that if a cop decides to keep it, we're not financially or sentimentally impacted all to heavy.

Hipoints for days, the cops won't be able to destroy them. Also wouldn't hipoint actually cover it under their customer service/warranty?

 

[Dean Pentel]

Disappointed to hear that. I've been looking for a cheap but reliable decocker, hammer fired 380 in a smaller size for Mrs. Balls. Thought this solved the problem. She carries a Cheetah 84F currently, but is emotionally attached, so wants to swap to another 380 that meets these specs for EDC. Looks like we'll have to go back to seeing if she ends up liking the Bersas.

Is she unwilling to compromise at all on the specs? I ask because there are a lot of solid compact pistols on the market now. As an example, it's not hard at all to find S&W Shield Plus and M&P Compacts for $350-450. They work, lots of aftermarket support, and if they're long delayed or not recovered post-FAFO situations it wouldn't be terribly bitter.

Even if she's set on those specs I bet you all figure out a decent solution. Share with the class when you do.

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

Is she unwilling to compromise at all on the specs? I ask because there are a lot of solid compact pistols on the market now. As an example, it's not hard at all to find S&W Shield Plus and M&P Compacts for $350-450. They work, lots of aftermarket support, and if they're long delayed or not recovered post-FAFO situations it wouldn't be terribly bitter.

Even if she's set on those specs I bet you all figure out a decent solution. Share with the class when you do.

We're quickly realizing that we're gonna be limited to walther, walther clones like the bersas, or cheetahs, or cheetah clones like the taurus. We may end up going with M&P or S&W in the end, as long as it has an external hammer and safety. We asked the LGS to see if they can get their hands on a bersa so she can try the fit and feel. If that don't swing, there are a couple used kimber micros and sig micros that don't break the bank they have she likes.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

We're quickly realizing that we're gonna be limited to walther, walther clones like the bersas, or cheetahs, or cheetah clones like the taurus. We may end up going with M&P or S&W in the end, as long as it has an external hammer and safety. We asked the LGS to see if they can get their hands on a bersa so she can try the fit and feel. If that don't swing, there are a couple used kimber micros and sig micros that don't break the bank they have she likes.

IIRC TISAS is making a cheetah clone as well. TISAS are generally good quality as far as i know.

 

[Bassomatic]

Thanks for the kind words every one, my post was part humor part frustration. 100% stuff goes wrong happens to us all. I just found a vent was best way to laugh it off and you're also right just put the thing down and relax. Ordered up a safety problem will be solved but I'm sure I do something wrong the part sure wasn't cut well.

In re to its maker it's a Bulgarian brought over by Arsenal. From my understanding low good tier or sold mid for makarovs. Tooling was probably worn out and they just forced it together.

I saw that Walther will be new PSP carry. I gotta admit I got an early Walther CCP and mine was warranty fixed over cracking frame or slide I forget tbh. Because as much as I liked it and the ergonomics are great I just stopped trusting it. So it'll sit forever in back of my safe. I should sell it or give to Mrs. I hope for their sake it'll do them well. I don't think it's an upgrade other than moving to 9mm IMHO for basic service guns is a right move.

M14 worst service gun? My brother/sister in Christ have you not heard of the trapdoor or krag? Sure m14 had lots of faults and checkered history but.. the trap door is famous for being under gunner by the Indian/native Americans getting Custer killed. Faults with the rifle itself exist and the army refusing to get with the times being so many better guns came before it. The trapdoor isn't pure trash to be fair. Like most gear ever issued by public or private often it's used differently the lack of understanding or neoptism and cost get in the way.

Krag, again majorly outgunned. Not a bad rifle overall. I happen to love my real 30-40 carbine (not a bubba job) 30-40 is fine for deer. But facing proper smokeless powder Mauser? Outgunned!

Being the Springfield 03 came so much faster as a replacement and is practically a Mauser itself says a lot (and the first of these rifles weren't great rod bayonet and lackluster 30-03 round) but becamr a loved weapon even tho WW1 more people had p17 or American SMLE.

In regards i know I've mentioned before but the most fun gun I think I've ever shot was a full auto FN FAL. I could point out the issues like I thought rate of fire was a bit too high for a 20 round mag, recoils like hell but. I swear it felt like I was holding a dragon. It was fucking amazing burping flames sending a box of 30 cal fuck you in a general direction. God damn I'm getting a semi just thinking how great that was.

 

[Martys_not_smarty]

Is the conversation of worst service rifle limited to just the US? If not the Cetme-L would like a shot at that title, nothing but horror stories about those things after the German advisors left and let the Spanish make them in their own.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

M14 worst service gun? My brother/sister in Christ have you not heard of the trapdoor or krag? Sure m14 had lots of faults and checkered history but.. the trap door is famous for being under gunner by the Indian/native Americans getting Custer killed. Faults with the rifle itself exist and the army refusing to get with the times being so many better guns came before it. The trapdoor isn't pure trash to be fair. Like most gear ever issued by public or private often it's used differently the lack of understanding or neoptism and cost get in the way.

Trapdoor was fine for out west, American logistics was not. You were lucky to have 5 rounds for target practice.
In the SpanAm war it was used by the National Guard with decent results, but single shot vs. repeater is always unfun. The Filipinos loved the Trapdoor like nothing else however.

Krag, again majorly outgunned. Not a bad rifle overall. I happen to love my real 30-40 carbine (not a bubba job) 30-40 is fine for deer. But facing proper smokeless powder Mauser? Outgunned!

Krag was fine, reloading in combat is never as smooth as you're trained and takes ages.
Looking through officer testimony is a shit time because they complain about nonsense, get distances wrong, get caliber wrong, make up fuddlore(the infamous garand ping), etc. to the point where nobody is certain whether or not US forces were actually outranged at any point.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

The trapdoor is a fine rifle for what it is: a conversion musket. The trapdoor did not get custer killed. custer did that. the other two prongs of custer's force dug in ontop of hills and survived.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

custer did that.

Let's just run out to the middle of nowhere, guys, it's a great idea
no, leave the heavy stuff, just take what you can carry

it will be fine

 

[Martys_not_smarty]

Let's just run out to the middle of nowhere, guys, it's a great idea
no, leave the heavy stuff, just take what you can carry

it will be fine

He did have a pair of gatling guns but the pursuit of glory was too great and what could have been a scene out of shogun 2 didn't go quite that way.

 

[Club Sandwich]

I've looked at those, too. I was hoping to find another decocker, exposed hammer fired number.

if it's a combo of training, logistics (ammo, ready spare parts), and not wanting to miss having it confiscated, maybe something like a Llama .380 (1911 adjacent) or a Browning BDA-380? they're out there, cheap, and good pistols.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I've looked at those, too. I was hoping to find another decocker, exposed hammer fired number. Mrs. Balls is probably the most proficient woman I know with firearms, but just like me replacing the Jericho with the BUL for EDC, she learned on the Cheetah. I don't want her to have to relearn a ton to both make the firearm ready and render it safe. Been drilling her, and she can operate on muscle memory her beretta under duress. Want something that may not be exactly the same, but her reptile brain skills translate heavily towards.

I get that bro.

Try not to powerlevel, but we live outside a major city (we're in the top ten most dangerous cities in America) about 40 mins away in the country. Our jurisdiction is technically presided over by the mayor of that city. That mayor, though our state is one of the hardest line pro-2A "our cops will not comply with federal gun laws" states, is a turbo cuck "they were just protestors" "no one needs a gun for any reason" hardline bluetard. He has been increasingly getting involved in self-defense and gun related crimes (no, not those ones, silly. The ones that involve legal gun owners.) and pressuring for harsher sentences for self-defense. they mostly go nowhere, since if it makes it to state court, it gets shut down pretty handily.
But the increased pressure to get legal guns off the street mixed with not so on the level police, has led to a heavy glut this year of people not getting their guns back post-SD situation, or if they end up spending the money to legally compel them, getting them back borderline destroyed and parted out.
Mrs. Balls is partial to hers, emotionally attached since it was the first gun that was ever hers, so we're replacing with something similar, but cheap enough that if a cop decides to keep it, we're not financially or sentimentally impacted all to heavy.

Ah that's what's happening. Sorry man. I do get wanting a cheap throwaway gun in that situation.

We're quickly realizing that we're gonna be limited to walther, walther clones like the bersas, or cheetahs, or cheetah clones like the taurus. We may end up going with M&P or S&W in the end, as long as it has an external hammer and safety. We asked the LGS to see if they can get their hands on a bersa so she can try the fit and feel. If that don't swing, there are a couple used kimber micros and sig micros that don't break the bank they have she likes.

For external hammers at least, there's always revolvers with heavy triggers. Simple, easy to use, and won't go off unless you want them too. Getting a used J-frame is cheap.

 

[Bassomatic]

If we aren't talking just US service rifles l85 is pretty bad, cetme L yeah up there and from all Ive heard the Indian rifle is just awful.

I guess I over simplified and used far too much hind sight. Custer did leave his heavy firepower behind. Not just because he made a bold choice for speed but, due to scarcity of food and water for livestock. Less baggage faster movement but also the scant feed went father. What I did mean aside that from shell casing reports from both sides etc many of the natives did have repeaters. So yeah he showed up out gunned and his ammo (apparently an issue with the trap door it self) swelled upin a hot chamber required a trooper to use a knife to dig the brass out and load another round. Adding to the single shot slowing stuff down.

From some claims Custer also was one of the first to eat it no heroic last stand charged in first and dropped quick, debate that also screwed things up as his men were effected the charge may have stopped as they went to tend to him etc.

I did not know in Spanish American trap doors are still used. I know from some of Teddy Rs own writing the second line or negro troops had rolling blocks or some 1895 rem lever rifles. I don't doubt Springfield's would have been around just didn't know.

Krags can't use stripper clips and if over blown an issue or not definitely loses cool points. Something is such a rewarding feeling to slam those rounds in with your thumb.

I don't per say think either was a bad weapon but I think reading you're views and added info they did have issues as all things do but, easier to look back and see the faults.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Krags can't use stripper clips and if over blown an issue or not definitely loses cool points. Something is such a rewarding feeling to slam those rounds in with your thumb.

Can confirm stripper clips are cool, love them on my SKS. Very lightweight too. The Krag system is interesting,, allowing you to top off, but you can't reload all at once

 

[Romulus augustulus]

If we aren't talking just US service rifles l85 is pretty bad, cetme L yeah up there and from all Ive heard the Indian rifle is just awful.

I guess I over simplified and used far too much hind sight. Custer did leave his heavy firepower behind. Not just because he made a bold choice for speed but, due to scarcity of food and water for livestock. Less baggage faster movement but also the scant feed went father. What I did mean aside that from shell casing reports from both sides etc many of the natives did have repeaters. So yeah he showed up out gunned and his ammo (apparently an issue with the trap door it self) swelled upin a hot chamber required a trooper to use a knife to dig the brass out and load another round. Adding to the single shot slowing stuff down.

From some claims Custer also was one of the first to eat it no heroic last stand charged in first and dropped quick, debate that also screwed things up as his men were effected the charge may have stopped as they went to tend to him etc.

I did not know in Spanish American trap doors are still used. I know from some of Teddy Rs own writing the second line or negro troops had rolling blocks or some 1895 rem lever rifles. I don't doubt Springfield's would have been around just didn't know.

Krags can't use stripper clips and if over blown an issue or not definitely loses cool points. Something is such a rewarding feeling to slam those rounds in with your thumb.

I don't per say think either was a bad weapon but I think reading you're views and added info they did have issues as all things do but, easier to look back and see the faults.

most national guard troops would have been armed with 45-70 trapdoors in the war and the Philippine insurrection. NYNG had rolling blocks.

 

[Martys_not_smarty]

Still looking for a hammer fired 380? Anyone bring up the CZ-83? They're still out there for a reasonable price and usually come with a holster cleaning kit and a couple mags. Or of you can find one in the wild the Sig P230/232 I just put money down on one for pretty cheap and it's a fucking (old) sig so you're getting quality.

 

[Bassomatic]

most national guard troops would have been armed with 45-70 trapdoors in the war and the Philippine insurrection. NYNG had rolling blocks.

Explains why Teddy mostly spoke about rolling blocks, cool to know thanks! As always enjoy learning.

Still looking for a hammer fired 380? Anyone bring up the CZ-83? They're still out there for a reasonable price and usually come with a holster cleaning kit and a couple mags. Or of you can find one in the wild the Sig P230/232 I just put money down on one for pretty cheap and it's a fucking (old) sig so you're getting quality.

Great calls on both.

 

[Particle Bored]

If I want to put a Racker-TL light on my Maverick, do I need to get the 6.5" or 7.75" action tube?