Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Nate Higgers]

The accessories take up most of the time and brain power.

I have limited quantities of both, which is why I still shoot with irons.

 

[EggImpregnator]

Im preferred optic set up is a red dot with QD magnifier. Taking the magnifier off when not needed is a big bonus. Keeps the gun lighter and less obstructive. Plus you have a handheld monocular when its off. If i couldn't have that, id go with an ACOG with piggybacked RCR. I prefer that over an LPVO because I'll have an actual red dot, and I'd rather have just fixed 4x or 6x over some adjustable magnification BS.

But, the real cope is that the likelihood of you needing to shoot beyond 200 in any situation is rather slim. Lots of countries have looked at typical engagement distances from pretty much every modern conflict from ww1 to korea to iraq, and the results are all strikingly similar. 90% of small arms engagements happen at 200 yards or less. Even at 200, the likelihood of someone standing completely out in the open and not moving is very small.

If you're hunting out at long distances, i highly doubt you'd be using a 556 carbine with a 1-6 scope too. *

 

[Autistic Gunspergings]

But, the real cope is that the likelihood of you needing to shoot beyond 200 in any situation is rather slim. Lots of countries have looked at typical engagement distances from pretty much every modern conflict from ww1 to korea to iraq, and the results are all strikingly similar. 90% of small arms engagements happen at 200 yards or less. Even at 200, the likelihood of someone standing completely out in the open and not moving is very small.

This is strongly dependent on where you live. Where I am, I would be plenty fine with a 4x & a piggyback rmr, but its mostly flatlands covered in dense forests here. I would much prefer an LPVO if I were somewhere like Nevada or Utah, with pretty long sightlines.

 

[Samhain]

But, the real cope is that the likelihood of you needing to shoot beyond 200 in any situation is rather slim. Lots of countries have looked at typical engagement distances from pretty much every modern conflict from ww1 to korea to iraq, and the results are all strikingly similar. 90% of small arms engagements happen at 200 yards or less.

I watch Ukraine combat footage occasionally. Most engagements are very close. Engagements beyond 200 yards are practically all suppressing fire. They know the enemy is "somewhere over there' because they're taking fire, but can't see them because they have of some sort of cover, whether natural or man-made. So they just shoot in the general direction of the fire they're receiving while they break contact and/or call in a drone.

That said, the Great Plains have different terrain than Ukraine. Almost anywhere in America, you can get up on the roof of just a 6 story building and look how far you can see. With even taller buildings, someone could snipe at people from a window well beyond 200 yards. The boomer who did the Vegas shooting shot and killed people at 400 yards from 32 stories up with 5.56. He managed to hit a fuel tank at the airport twice at 650 yards with .308. Just some things to consider.

 

[Foley]

I watch Ukraine combat footage occasionally. Most engagements are very close. Engagements beyond 200 yards are practically all suppressing fire. They know the enemy is "somewhere over there' because they're taking fire, but can't see them because they have of some sort of cover, whether natural or man-made. So they just shoot in the general direction of the fire they're receiving while they break contact and/or call in a drone.

I'd like to know if any of the people involved in the NGSW program have watched footage from Ukraine, and realized what a giant mistake they are about to make.

 

[Friedrich Hayek's Ghost]

If you're hunting out at long distances, i highly doubt you'd be using a 556 carbine with a 1-6 scope too.

I genuinely can't think of a scenario where 5.56 works at distance. Most game animals are larger than humans. Maybe coyotes? Even that's iffy on whether you can do it humanely past two hundred, depending on barrel length.

 

[SHIGGSHOGG]

Went and met a guy on some state land and tried out that Chiappa survival gun, some .357 derringer, .357 revolver, ruger LCP, and a G48.
My 10.5 AR with some hot IMI 5.56 was just as loud as ever and my .22 upper was just as fun as ever. Some guy from a different state wandered up and asked if we flushed any birds, and then saw us magdump a log when he was leaving, the nerve.
Tested out my new HS407C on da blicky and that's def where its at for my shit, no going back to gay ass irons lmao.

I genuinely can't think of a scenario where 5.56 works at distance. Most game animals are larger than humans. Maybe coyotes? Even that's iffy on whether you can do it humanely past two hundred, depending on barrel length.

Past 150 it's over for deer, and even within 150 it's a bit weak seeing as it's often the minimum caliber to legally shoot deer and similar animals. Some states you can't even use it for deer I'm pretty sure, but a humane kill on a deer is different than just hopefully wounding a guy pretty good if you're able to get a hit. .223 is big among the varmint crowd seeing as you're likely to be burning through ammo, and prairie dogs and other rodents don't care if they're smacked with a .223 or a 6cm.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

I don't see the point of First Focal Plane variable optics, seems like unnecessary expenditure. If your target is far enough away that you need holdovers you're probably at max magnification anyway, your rifle is probably zeroed and you either have a dope sheet or stickers on your turret for marked distances.
But, ooh! No! I need all my holdovers to work at both 3x AND 30x! It's really really important!

 

[EggImpregnator]

That said, the Great Plains have different terrain than Ukraine. Almost anywhere in America, you can get up on the roof of just a 6 story building and look how far you can see. With even taller buildings, someone could snipe at people from a window well beyond 200 yards. The boomer who did the Vegas shooting shot and killed people at 400 yards from 32 stories up with 5.56. He managed to hit a fuel tank at the airport twice at 650 yards with .308. Just some things to consider.

I'd disagree. I think the plains are the most similar to Ukraine out of anywhere in the US. Ukraine, specifically the Donbass, is nothing but vast open steppe with occasional treeline, and isolated urban/suburban settlements.

Lets think about this. If large scale violence comes to Dakota, or Utah, or Nebraska, where is all the fighting going to be? Well we can look at Ukraine for guidance. In Ukraine they're not fighting in open plains. The plains (steppe) dont offer cover or concealment or infrastructure or anything really. They build defensive fortifications in advantageous locations. They build trenches on the edges of cities. They build trenches in treelines. They build trenches at critical road and railroad junctions. Simply put, the violence is where the important stuff is located.

I'd be willing to bet if violence comes to Nebraska, the village of Big Springs (a town of 400 with a critical junction of US interstate 80) will be more likely to see violence than some random cornfield. Similarly, if violence comes to Utah, who is going to be dying over a literal wasteland desert with nothing in it? Nobody. But lots of ment probably will die over control of Provo Utah. All the major highways coming out of southern California to Salt lake city go through provo. If you can take provo, you have massive leverage over salt lake.

 

[Bassomatic]

Gentleman and ladies, I'd like to tell you a story that happened in my newest mine craft server discord. This didn't happen in real life.

mp5+ can into a NIGGER groundhog, works damn well. I had some of dr basso's I've been drinking wad cutters in the mag, not a proper sub sonic. Quick double tap from 20 or so feet.

Man these new mods Notch made are really good.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

Gentleman and ladies, I'd like to tell you a story that happened in my newest mine craft server discord. This didn't happen in real life.

mp5+ can into a NIGGER groundhog, works damn well. I had some of dr basso's I've been drinking wad cutters in the mag, not a proper sub sonic. Quick double tap from 20 or so feet.

Man these new mods Notch made are really good.

ground hogs are open season most places in America mr bass. no need to just play online.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

I don't see the point of First Focal Plane variable optics, seems like unnecessary expenditure. If your target is far enough away that you need holdovers you're probably at max magnification anyway, your rifle is probably zeroed and you either have a dope sheet or stickers on your turret for marked distances.
But, ooh! No! I need all my holdovers to work at both 3x AND 30x! It's really really important!

It’s not really necessary on a 1-6, but as you get higher magnification it becomes useful.

 

[AGPinochet]

Printed Saiga-12 bullpup conversion (the large boxy segment covers the trigger linkage)


Suomi M31 with 3D Printed gat crank and MG3 Tripod adapter


SR-3M (first example I am aware of in and around the SMO Zone)


Another first example for me, AK-12K (Obr. 2020?) alongside an AK-12 Obr. 2023. Didn't even know these were in production much less received the Obr.2020 (But not Obr. 2023 upgrades despite recent AK-200 series prototypes having them)


Custom Stgw.57 for sale on the french black market


Taureg rebel in Mali with suppressed and GL Equipped F2000


Tactical Walther MP




This is functional btw


Lifecard with charging handle and external grip storage (Designer's website https://www.3dgearsupply.com/products)

Now with 30 degree offset magwell

In realspace

Leber V2 AR FCG MP5 lower by GunCAD Dev S3 without hammer, trigger or HK Ejector pin holes, that role is not taken on by an internal piece. Requires reinforcement plates made by SendCutSend so not wholly DIY. Never even thought of something like this, weird to think about.


Apparently the guy who invented the Sharps ReliaBolt had a falling out with Sharps Bros and now is doing his own thing creating custom cartridges and hawking a rebranded ReliaBolt

https://soldiersystems.net/2024/10/09/2024-ndia-future-forces-conference-poster-2-weapon-systems-upgrades-for-m4-m16/

Apoogies, whenever Soldier Systems uploads posters from conferences like this one they always do it in a dogshit resolution


website

https://www.gxaa.com/

webpage with a link to a pdf containing info on his 6.35mm cartridge

https://www.gxaa.com/technical

claims include
-Compared to M855, a 90gr 6.35mm projectile at 300m has 28% less drop, 36% higher velocity and 160% more retained energy at a lower pressure than M855A1
-Weight increased by 2oz per 30rnds
-approx 10% more recoil

The poster also contains the following info
-The 9.525x32mm AKA .375 Knockout (KO) propels a 350gr bullet at subsonic velocities with 10gr of propellant
-The 8x38mm is designed around Foreign military AK conversions
-Achieves 85-90% of 7.62x51 in the 150-175gr range ballistic performance
-Options for 250gr subsonics

TenX TX-12 Special Task Weapon (It's an underbarrel shotgun)




During a burndown test for the AB Warthog 5.56, At 0:07 there's something very strange, an externally protruding auto sear pin.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

This is functional btw

why wouldn't it be? the Ruger american takes AR mags as standard.

 

[Club Sandwich]

I genuinely can't think of a scenario where 5.56 works at distance.

cascades, rolling hills, and mountains all along shasta, rockies, et c. i've taken goats and deer on cliffs and mountain sides and a 5.56 carbine does the job at 500ish meters, open sights. a 4x can push it to a little over 800 meters and when the terrain is slopes, ravines, valleys, and hilltops there is a enough obstruction and often distance (vertical and otherwise) that it comes into play for a light backpack friendly carbine. .30-30 often has too much drop at these distances and .308 is awkward to alpine hike and bivvy with.

 

[Autistic Gunspergings]

I don't see the point of First Focal Plane variable optics, seems like unnecessary expenditure. If your target is far enough away that you need holdovers you're probably at max magnification anyway, your rifle is probably zeroed and you either have a dope sheet or stickers on your turret for marked distances.
But, ooh! No! I need all my holdovers to work at both 3x AND 30x! It's really really important!

FFP optics are best with ranges you wouldn't use an LPVO for in the first place.
IMO LPVO magnification is low enough that the 1x setting/max setting serves everything in between well enough to ignore the other settings. At that point, you might as well use an SFP optic.
This is why I prefer using a prism and piggyback RMR. Elcans are also pretty cool, but it's personal preference at that point.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

FFP optics are best with ranges you wouldn't use an LPVO for in the first place.
IMO LPVO magnification is low enough that the 1x setting/max setting serves everything in between well enough to ignore the other settings. At that point, you might as well use an SFP optic.
This is why I prefer using a prism and piggyback RMR. Elcans are also pretty cool, but it's personal preference at that point.

I'm not even talking about LPVOs, but there being FFP LPVOs is ridiculous enough as it is.
It's just weird how people obsess about holdovers when you absolutely want the maximum amount of magnification possible, and it's bad enough that fixed power optics are going extinct in exchange for variable power scopes.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

FFP optics are best with ranges you wouldn't use an LPVO for in the first place.
IMO LPVO magnification is low enough that the 1x setting/max setting serves everything in between well enough to ignore the other settings. At that point, you might as well use an SFP optic.
This is why I prefer using a prism and piggyback RMR. Elcans are also pretty cool, but it's personal preference at that point.

The FFP LPVOs are typically the ones that have a reticle with lots of elevation and wind holds. They are good if you are shooting 400-800 regularly. At those ranges you will also be shooting better ammo if you want consistent results.

The prisms or dot magnifier combos are pretty good out to 400, but beyond that the lower magnification of them isn’t as effective unless the targets are well contrasted.

 

[Samhain]

Apoogies, whenever Soldier Systems uploads posters from conferences like this one they always do it in a dogshit resolution

It's something WordPress does, but even the original resolution of the image they uploaded isn't high:



Speaking of the Sharps Relia-Bolt, I have one of their complete DLC coated BCGs. It's in the first AR I owned, back when I was experimenting with buying various "upgrades." The tapered lugs are nice, and DLC is definitely a nice finish, but I question using S7 tool steel to increase strength. Centurion added an increased radius between the lugs and the body to combat stress on the lugs.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

I wouldn’t trust 5.56 past 100 yards honestly.


Thats why I only use an M1 in .30-06.


2 World Wars baby! Stopping power!