Mega Rad Gun Thread

I just spent $500 on ammo and mags. I’m kinda dizzy. This hobby is too expensive (:_(
It only gets worse lol. Honestly i still at time play with my cars but fuck me 500+ for some dinky plastic intake or 4k for rims then need tires....that 6k BAR and 50 bucks of 9mm seem cheaper.

Least how I lie to myself.
 
I vehemently disagree that the ACOG is antiquated and a waste of money. They have a lot of benefits that other optics don't offer, such as never needing batteries (unless you get the LED model) and their rugged construction. There was a Marine during the GWOT who took a 7.62x39mm round to his ACOG, blasting a sizable hole in the side, and it didn't even lose zero. He was able to stay in the fight and didn't even realize his optic had been shot until they had returned to base and he went to clean his rifle, which is when he saw the hole and realized what had happened. That optic was sent back to Trijicon who sent him a replacement and put the damaged optic in their Hall of Fame. I think they're a great option for anyone who wants a simple, rugged optic for a fighting carbine or PCC and doesn't want a red dot.
I agree with you here. I've used the ACOG in the past and it works just fine if you understand its limitations. This is true for any optic and it turns out what works well for someone may not work well for you.
If they only made a 1x version of the ACOG.
What about one of those Primary Arms prism optics? I've never run one but I hear they're decent.
They've used that shit since the beginning, even in their converted K98k of which they had literal dumpsters full of. I just don't see them going for 6.8, frugality aside, mainly because their opponents are unarmored more often than not and that's supposed to be its selling point.
I've asked people whose opinion I trust on this which military forces are actually fielding the kind of armor this rifle is supposed to defeat en masse. The majority response is, "Nobody. Only the American citizenry has that sort of armor in that quantity." Make of that what you will.
I'd reach for Blazer before turkshit and remans in a heartbeat.
I definitely won't pretend as if I've tried a lot of different companies' remans, but I've shot a lot of remans from Defender Ammo and LAX Ammo. Both are just fine and I was surprised by the consistency I got from Defender. Everything fed in all my pistols and not huge spreads in velocity when I chrono'd them.
That said, I'm also biased against LPVOs. I just don't like them.
I think I can understand this perspective. I've tried a few and I think like many fads in the shooting industry, the market got caught up in the hype and what it produced didn't match what the marketing promised. This is especially true with 1-10X. It has to make too many concessions to be what it claims. I think 1-4X or 1-6X is where users should stay magnification-wise. Even the damn expensive stuff like the Vortex Razor Gen 3, the March F, or the Nightforce ATACR can't escape physics and thus the dogshit performance at 8-10X.
Are y’all really shooting 5.56 past 300 yards? I know you can shoot further, I’ve used it to about 900 yards, but is that really your use case?
I've run 5.56 out to 400 often enough without any issues. I personally think that's about its limit, even with the Mk 262 killing people much further out. Yes, it can do that, but there's far better cartridges available now in the same platform. But that's just my opinion.
 
Are y’all really shooting 5.56 past 300 yards? I know you can shoot further, I’ve used it to about 900 yards, but is that really your use case?

I'm with you here. Personally, I think 5.56x45mm is a great urban round where your engagement distances are going to be fairly close, but if you feel you're going to be shooting past 150-200 yards or so you'd be better suited going to a larger round like 7.62x51mm. Especially nowadays with modern, high quality rifles that a almost as compact and lightweight as 5.56mm rifles and have the same layout and controls as their smaller caliber counterparts.
 
I just spent $500 on ammo and mags. I’m kinda dizzy. This hobby is too expensive (:_(
Nobody ever tells you at the outset that the guns are the cheap part if you actually do any shooting...

Also, re: optics, I really like the combination I put on my most recent AR assembly, which is the PA 5x microprism paired with a Holosun 20mm microdot on PA's offset T1 mount. Lighter than the dot/magnifier combo that I've got on another rifle by a not-insignificant margin and way lighter than a LPVO+mount:

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LVPO's are pretty useful for hunting IMO. I like them for small game like squirrel. Keep it on low power for scanning tree tops for squirrel and moving shots and zoom in for stationary kills.

same would apply for larger game. Low power for closer higher for farther. Many a hunter has winged a shot because his 12x power scope was too much for a 50 yard shot. Hard to aim for the vital organs when all you can see is fur with no reference.
 
Nobody ever tells you at the outset that the guns are the cheap part if you actually do any shooting...

Also, re: optics, I really like the combination I put on my most recent AR assembly, which is the PA 5x microprism paired with a Holosun 20mm microdot on PA's offset T1 mount. Lighter than the dot/magnifier combo that I've got on another rifle by a not-insignificant margin and way lighter than a LPVO+mount:

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The accessories take up most of the time and brain power.
 
Im preferred optic set up is a red dot with QD magnifier. Taking the magnifier off when not needed is a big bonus. Keeps the gun lighter and less obstructive. Plus you have a handheld monocular when its off. If i couldn't have that, id go with an ACOG with piggybacked RCR. I prefer that over an LPVO because I'll have an actual red dot, and I'd rather have just fixed 4x or 6x over some adjustable magnification BS.

But, the real cope is that the likelihood of you needing to shoot beyond 200 in any situation is rather slim. Lots of countries have looked at typical engagement distances from pretty much every modern conflict from ww1 to korea to iraq, and the results are all strikingly similar. 90% of small arms engagements happen at 200 yards or less. Even at 200, the likelihood of someone standing completely out in the open and not moving is very small.

If you're hunting out at long distances, i highly doubt you'd be using a 556 carbine with a 1-6 scope too. *
 
But, the real cope is that the likelihood of you needing to shoot beyond 200 in any situation is rather slim. Lots of countries have looked at typical engagement distances from pretty much every modern conflict from ww1 to korea to iraq, and the results are all strikingly similar. 90% of small arms engagements happen at 200 yards or less. Even at 200, the likelihood of someone standing completely out in the open and not moving is very small.
This is strongly dependent on where you live. Where I am, I would be plenty fine with a 4x & a piggyback rmr, but its mostly flatlands covered in dense forests here. I would much prefer an LPVO if I were somewhere like Nevada or Utah, with pretty long sightlines.
 
But, the real cope is that the likelihood of you needing to shoot beyond 200 in any situation is rather slim. Lots of countries have looked at typical engagement distances from pretty much every modern conflict from ww1 to korea to iraq, and the results are all strikingly similar. 90% of small arms engagements happen at 200 yards or less.
I watch Ukraine combat footage occasionally. Most engagements are very close. Engagements beyond 200 yards are practically all suppressing fire. They know the enemy is "somewhere over there' because they're taking fire, but can't see them because they have of some sort of cover, whether natural or man-made. So they just shoot in the general direction of the fire they're receiving while they break contact and/or call in a drone.

That said, the Great Plains have different terrain than Ukraine. Almost anywhere in America, you can get up on the roof of just a 6 story building and look how far you can see. With even taller buildings, someone could snipe at people from a window well beyond 200 yards. The boomer who did the Vegas shooting shot and killed people at 400 yards from 32 stories up with 5.56. He managed to hit a fuel tank at the airport twice at 650 yards with .308. Just some things to consider.
 
I watch Ukraine combat footage occasionally. Most engagements are very close. Engagements beyond 200 yards are practically all suppressing fire. They know the enemy is "somewhere over there' because they're taking fire, but can't see them because they have of some sort of cover, whether natural or man-made. So they just shoot in the general direction of the fire they're receiving while they break contact and/or call in a drone.
I'd like to know if any of the people involved in the NGSW program have watched footage from Ukraine, and realized what a giant mistake they are about to make.
 
If you're hunting out at long distances, i highly doubt you'd be using a 556 carbine with a 1-6 scope too.
I genuinely can't think of a scenario where 5.56 works at distance. Most game animals are larger than humans. Maybe coyotes? Even that's iffy on whether you can do it humanely past two hundred, depending on barrel length.
 
Went and met a guy on some state land and tried out that Chiappa survival gun, some .357 derringer, .357 revolver, ruger LCP, and a G48.
My 10.5 AR with some hot IMI 5.56 was just as loud as ever and my .22 upper was just as fun as ever. Some guy from a different state wandered up and asked if we flushed any birds, and then saw us magdump a log when he was leaving, the nerve.
Tested out my new HS407C on da blicky and that's def where its at for my shit, no going back to gay ass irons lmao.

I genuinely can't think of a scenario where 5.56 works at distance. Most game animals are larger than humans. Maybe coyotes? Even that's iffy on whether you can do it humanely past two hundred, depending on barrel length.
Past 150 it's over for deer, and even within 150 it's a bit weak seeing as it's often the minimum caliber to legally shoot deer and similar animals. Some states you can't even use it for deer I'm pretty sure, but a humane kill on a deer is different than just hopefully wounding a guy pretty good if you're able to get a hit. .223 is big among the varmint crowd seeing as you're likely to be burning through ammo, and prairie dogs and other rodents don't care if they're smacked with a .223 or a 6cm.
 
I don't see the point of First Focal Plane variable optics, seems like unnecessary expenditure. If your target is far enough away that you need holdovers you're probably at max magnification anyway, your rifle is probably zeroed and you either have a dope sheet or stickers on your turret for marked distances.
But, ooh! No! I need all my holdovers to work at both 3x AND 30x! It's really really important!
 
That said, the Great Plains have different terrain than Ukraine. Almost anywhere in America, you can get up on the roof of just a 6 story building and look how far you can see. With even taller buildings, someone could snipe at people from a window well beyond 200 yards. The boomer who did the Vegas shooting shot and killed people at 400 yards from 32 stories up with 5.56. He managed to hit a fuel tank at the airport twice at 650 yards with .308. Just some things to consider.
I'd disagree. I think the plains are the most similar to Ukraine out of anywhere in the US. Ukraine, specifically the Donbass, is nothing but vast open steppe with occasional treeline, and isolated urban/suburban settlements.

Lets think about this. If large scale violence comes to Dakota, or Utah, or Nebraska, where is all the fighting going to be? Well we can look at Ukraine for guidance. In Ukraine they're not fighting in open plains. The plains (steppe) dont offer cover or concealment or infrastructure or anything really. They build defensive fortifications in advantageous locations. They build trenches on the edges of cities. They build trenches in treelines. They build trenches at critical road and railroad junctions. Simply put, the violence is where the important stuff is located.

I'd be willing to bet if violence comes to Nebraska, the village of Big Springs (a town of 400 with a critical junction of US interstate 80) will be more likely to see violence than some random cornfield. Similarly, if violence comes to Utah, who is going to be dying over a literal wasteland desert with nothing in it? Nobody. But lots of ment probably will die over control of Provo Utah. All the major highways coming out of southern California to Salt lake city go through provo. If you can take provo, you have massive leverage over salt lake.
 
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