NASCAR Discussion - Sperg out about four left turns here
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Kornheiser
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The curse of being Mark Martin.
When Chris supports a loser, then it's already cursed as sin.
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The....they found a way to make me dislike Denny more? Truly the magic of Chris.
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(others: please don't nitpick too deeply I want this to come in under War and Peace's wordcount)
Sighs deeply
So in like 2003 a guy got the Cup winning one race. So retards hated that and instead of, you know, making wins worth more in NASCAR points-wise, they said okay, 'regular season' goes up to like the last ten races then the top ten drivers have a ten race shootout (or something like that) called 'The Chase for the <sponsor of the moment> Cup'. Points reset in that group (except you got a bonus depending on your finishing position in the regular season), then race the last races for the cup.
How'd that work out for them? Jimmie Johnson won it seven fucking times, including five in a row. So they said OKAY NO WAIT NEW RULE. Same thing but 16 drivers and you knock out (usually) four each round of (usually) three races. Win and you're in the next round, or you can get in on points, with a reset each time and bonuses - notably winning the regular season gets you three race wins worth of points. This also ties into the faggy stage system since stage points help you in the round points system. Then at the end you're left with four drivers who can win the cup and whoever finishes highest in the last race gets it. This is why I now call it the "NASCAR Weekly Series Phoenix Championship" because it comes down to 'are you good at this fucking weird racetrack?'
It's retarded and I hate it. Journos like it because you are 100% guaranteed to not ever have a 'race that doesn't matter' because the championship has been clinched. Despite those races being fucking awesome because nobody gives a fuck and everyone goes full send.
If you're wondering, in points, winning in NASCAR is still, to this day, just one position up from second place. They never fixed that part of the equation.
AskeDead
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Thank you for this. I was considering getting back into Nascar but I dunno, man.
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I have tried, repeatedly, to get into NASCAR again since 'the chase' got added and I nope out because gimmicks every time.
This latest time is driven by the nextgen car which has been a mixed bag. I hang in there because the Indy schedule is incredibly sparse these days (thanks, Tony George) and I feel like I don't have the full picture of American motorsports without following it, since I'm a total motorsports nut.
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Just like driving for Mercedes instantly turns you into a douche, I think driving for Toyota does the same thing. You've got:
Denny Hamlin- the saltiest old man in motorsports
Chris Bell- elitist who thinks any tracks over 1 mile are too easy to be "real racing" but is guaranteed to cause a Big One at Daytona and Dega
Ty Gibbs- Nepotism baby who compares himself to Jesus after he intentionally wrecks people
Tyler Reddick- Smug elitist West Coast white progressive bro
Bubba Wallace- self-explanatory
The only Toyota driver who isn't an asshole is MTJ and even he has his moments of passive-aggressiveness. And then in Xfinity you have John Hunter Nemechek who is well-known for never taking responsibility for any accident he causes but getting really pissy when someone takes him out. Does Toyota intentionally go after insufferable drivers or do they turn insufferable as soon as they sign?
DDBCAE CBAADCBE
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I miss Dale.
Me too. In fact everyone misses Sr. a whole lot
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Trucks was a wreckfest, and half the 4 got wrecked out by each other. This format's going to get somebody killed someday.
And the runner-up in the series standings doesn't know what he's doing next year because his team's going away. Trucks is weird.
And the runner-up in the series standings doesn't know what he's doing next year because his team's going away. Trucks is weird.
Monster trucks are weird, but a Hummer is weirder, so are users who drive these said Hummers
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I really like Ryan Blaney but this really shows just how much of a mess the playoff system is. In a season-long points format he wouldn't have cracked the top five.
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"But we'll never have to say 'Jimmie Johnson only has to finish 23rd in this last race to be champion'," said all the talking heads last week.
I mean I don't want to be one of those people. I get it, you get all the late season big hit races. It's 'exciting'. But come on. The other argument is 'no other sport works off all-year performance', which they have a point, but no other motorsport does it this way. You wanna be stick'n'ball, you're gonna lose against the big guys.
And they are! Look at the fucking stands. Last weekend was full, sure. But "Martinsville was a sellout", with 75% full stands and another 25% of the seating closed and pasted over with ads. They're so far from the peak I'm amazed they're not in trouble.
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I'll be honest, despite the Championship Race weekend leaving a bad taste in my mouth (on principle and by merit of the result), I really enjoyed this season. It's not as good as last year was, and honestly not much better than above average, but kept me interested enough to watch the season in its entirety (couldn't say the same for the Gen6 at places like Pocono). It still trips me out how the next gen car inverted the worst and best tracks. I used to want to hammer my nuts over watching an intermediate track and road courses were circled dates, Now Charlotte is a near lock for one of the best races of the year and we've had one good road course race since April last year, and that was thanks to rain.
I think the fall Martinsville race all but killed any idea that the Playoffs were going anywhere. It was the sport's most iconic moment in probably 20 years and would not have happened if not for the format. That along with races like the 2018 Roval provide exactly what NASCAR was going for, and I honestly like it, but the championship race as a concept is still a disgrace, even though it has yet to crown a truly illegitimate champion imo. I think the realistic ideal would be to make the first round of the Playoffs a 1-race elimination round wild card, and let the final 4 determine the championship over 3 races like the rest of the playoffs. I don't really see what they lose from a marketing perspective, and they get a not insignificant amount of competitive integrity back.
I went to a couple races this year and had a great time, even took a lot of friends to see their first race. Definitely recommend if you haven't before or haven't in a while. Going to other sports in person is cool but I really think the product on TV beats attending in person these days, you get a better view at practically no cost, but there's no real substitute for seeing a race in person (not NASCAR exclusive, but the V8s while they're still around beat what's in most cars these days).
I'm glad that the offseason is so short, now all I have to watch is football and any team I care about is hot ass right now.
I think the fall Martinsville race all but killed any idea that the Playoffs were going anywhere. It was the sport's most iconic moment in probably 20 years and would not have happened if not for the format. That along with races like the 2018 Roval provide exactly what NASCAR was going for, and I honestly like it, but the championship race as a concept is still a disgrace, even though it has yet to crown a truly illegitimate champion imo. I think the realistic ideal would be to make the first round of the Playoffs a 1-race elimination round wild card, and let the final 4 determine the championship over 3 races like the rest of the playoffs. I don't really see what they lose from a marketing perspective, and they get a not insignificant amount of competitive integrity back.
I went to a couple races this year and had a great time, even took a lot of friends to see their first race. Definitely recommend if you haven't before or haven't in a while. Going to other sports in person is cool but I really think the product on TV beats attending in person these days, you get a better view at practically no cost, but there's no real substitute for seeing a race in person (not NASCAR exclusive, but the V8s while they're still around beat what's in most cars these days).
I'm glad that the offseason is so short, now all I have to watch is football and any team I care about is hot ass right now.
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I agree and I thought that before it. For the Journo Class and NASCAR itself it just has too many advantages. (many of) the fans don't hate it, and it makes for BIG TV MOMENTS. It isn't how motorsports is done and it makes goofy nonsensical results. But my ratings!
I doubt at the moment I'm going to a cup race next year. Instead I'm going to try to octuple down on indycar races. Already got the Indy GP locked in.
Also: RIP Ken Squier. Driving last night I listened to all the radio shows from Thursday and the stories were great.
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So with the season being over, congrats Ryan Blaney; you're better than your dad, I came across this video that sheds some light as to why we don't have any strong connections to the racers today as we used to. Spoiler alert; it's about reliability and Nascar's current inability to not baby their drivers; just let them be assholes or at least themselves.
Oh and them being trust-fund kids like the Dillon brothers and Ty Gibbs. And Austin Cindric depending on how you look at it.
I thought it was an interesting watch but you make what you want of it.
Oh and them being trust-fund kids like the Dillon brothers and Ty Gibbs. And Austin Cindric depending on how you look at it.
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Not having watched yet, I'm not sure - as much as I hate the France family - that it's their fault. I don't think it's people worried about NASCAR (other than the current trend of blatantly wrecking people being okay until you _say_ you did), it's people worried about sponsor fallout.
The trust fund kids are a huge problem though. You can't make it without already being rich, and that's the fuckin' worst. I don't know how you fix either problem, sadly. It's not like you can show up with a car you pieced together and no sponsor and persevere through sheer moxie - I'm specifically thinking of Lake Speed at Daytona in 85 but there are others.