Netflix is about to rape the Sandman

Watched the first 2.5 first episodes while visiting my parents. It's not as bad as I thought it will be but those diversity casting stick up way too hard and ruin the immersion. It will also fuck up storylines when the show will go with forced racism plot lines.

The other problem is how ugly the characters look up, especially the women. I know they are British, but it really feels like there is a war on beauty in western live action.

Also it reminds me of a plot hole that exist a lot in Comics where the plot will go with a nihilistic "earth is just a tiny speck in the galaxy" only to have every important universal and theological event involve it.
 
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Are they going to do any of the books that are mostly unrelated short stories? I know there are a few.

One of my favorite Death appearances is a short where she has a run in with a seldom used DC character named Element Girl, who’s been longing to die for many, many years and is living alone and despairing. Rainie is overjoyed to think Death has come for her, and is saddened to hear that Death has no jurisdiction over her as she was made by a god. Death tells Rainie that all she needs to do is ask the sun god Ra to help her, since he was the one to bestow the ‘gift’ of immortality. So she sticks her head out the window and has a sweet, one-sided conversation with him. The story ends with Rainie’s phone ringing, Death picking up, and telling the caller that she’s not there anymore. It’s a lower tier story, but it’s a good one.

That, or Dream of A Thousand Cats. Really. Dream of A Thousand Cats.
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All the one-off stories are fair game, especially since they are among the comics most famous and well known stories. That said.... Elemental Girl's story will probably be radically changed and if anything, I can see it being changed to being about a white racist guy who got disfigured when his bigoted friends find out he's a deeply closeted gay man and who's too religious to kill himself even though his face is Arseface level disfigured and he's reduced to living life as a shut-in until Death (who makes a fourth wall breaking joke about how her albino form is something she takes when dealing with racists who will not accept a black woman as death) basically goes all atheist edgelord and convinces him to off himself so she can take him to the afterlife complete with his face being restored once he does himself in.
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
Also it reminds me of a plot hole that exist a lot in Comics where the plot will go with a nihilistic "earth is just a tiny speck in the galaxy" only to have every important universal and theological event involve it.
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This is sort of explicable in Sandman, where we're following the aspects of the Endless that interact with humans. There's a billion other versions of Dream out there handling other sentient species, but we don't care about them. It gets messier with other mythological characters, especially the ones that "really" existed before the humans who thought them into existence.

MirrorNoir said:
All the one-off stories are fair game, especially since they are among the comics most famous and well known stories. That said.... Elemental Girl's story will probably be radically changed and if anything, I can see it being changed to being about a white racist guy who got disfigured when his bigoted friends find out he's a deeply closeted gay man and who's too religious to kill himself even though his face is Arseface level disfigured and he's reduced to living life as a shut-in until Death (who makes a fourth wall breaking joke about how her albino form is something she takes when dealing with racists who will not accept a black woman as death) basically goes all atheist edgelord and convinces him to off himself so she can take him to the afterlife complete with his face being restored once he does himself in.
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And his real face is black, and it's beautiful.
 
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Something about FATALOSM

FATALISM

wait, being in love with someone you actually met
organically
oppposed to digitally, finished with digits
if female
 
Standardized Profile said:
This is sort of explicable in Sandman, where we're following the aspects of the Endless that interact with humans. There's a billion other versions of Dream out there handling other sentient species, but we don't care about them. It gets messier with other mythological characters, especially the ones that "really" existed before the humans who thought them into existence.


And his real face is black, and it's beautiful.
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That would defeat the point, IE that the main character is a gay black supremacist type if the punchline was an Eye of the Beholder/Medusa's Coil twist at the end with the set-up being that the entire episode is shot from the character's POV and the last line of the episode is Death being shocked when the guy she convinces to commit suicide is black and Death dropping a hard "R" nigger ala Medusa's Coil's final line punchline being that the woman in the story is black.
 
Standardized Profile said:
This is sort of explicable in Sandman, where we're following the aspects of the Endless that interact with humans. There's a billion other versions of Dream out there handling other sentient species, but we don't care about them. It gets messier with other mythological characters, especially the ones that "really" existed before the humans who thought them into existence.
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I always thought there was one of each endless because of Martian Manhunter saw Dream ad a different deity.
Guess it's like Discworld where there is the death of rats.
 
As someone who hasn't gotten around to reading the comics, would this be enjoyable? Would it provide a better experience or do I just have to take time and read the volumes and forget this show exists?
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
I always thought there was one of each endless because of Martian Manhunter saw Dream ad a different deity.
Guess it's like Discworld where there is the death of rats.
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The thing about the Endless, or perhaps just Dream since we tend not to see the others through other people's eyes so much and I am not willing to dig into the internet to check, is that when most people look on them they see the Endless as they understand its' existence. J'onn sees the Martian deity of dreams and refers to Dream as such. In the side story where a cat hunts him down Dream appears a feline being. His former lover who he consigned to hell still sees him as the man of her own ethnicity she fell in love with (as an aside for the series they picked a visually good choice for that).

The default appearance the reader gets is not, despite what whiney people say, of white people but of blatantly inhumanly complexioned humanoids. Given J'onn was mentioned before those who see them clearly see people who look as human he tends to.

To use your Discworld reference Dream is the Dream of rats to rats , cats to cats, humans to humans and so on. Perception of the Endless largely is down to the viewer not an objective reality. The existence may not necessarily be the same species as the onlooker but it is how they understand that existence. I think J'onn saw some sort of floating head.
Power Glove said:
As someone who hasn't gotten around to reading the comics, would this be enjoyable? Would it provide a better experience or do I just have to take time and read the volumes and forget this show exists?
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Yes. It's not a great show and despite having a soft spot for them I can admit that is because the comics are not great either. However it is also not a flaming turd. I suspect going in with utter ignorance of the comics may in fact be better because you'll not have a lot of the twists spoiled.

If they get that far I do think they have already ruined their own finale. But that is because a lot of their changes work to undermine some of the most important stuff. My money says season 2-3 if they get that far will be less good because Netflix will mandate more changes.
 
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If they wanted to, they can adapt everything up until the last two trades (the Kindly Ones and The Wake) and not worry, as far as padding with original story content. I could see DC being OK with this since I'm sure they'd love for Neil to make new Morpheus stories that can then be made into comics (modified after the fact to make them align with the comic lore). Alternatively, they end the show with the reunion with Destruction.
 
Has anyone seen the new Sandman adaptation on Netflix? It was in development forever and Gaiman was super involved. I'm a huge fan of the comics and the little I've seen is remarkably accurate. Martin Tenbones even shows up in the first three minutes. I know there was some ridicule about the pronouns in the announcement/LGBT content in the show but that's honestly not that far off from how the comics were. Thoughts?

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It's probably true for a lot of western media, but since I've seen it on this show multiple times I must say that saying the F-word to punctuate something is cringe as fuck nowadays. It worked 30 years ago to "own the conservatives", but now the word lost all its edginess. And using anything else would ironically ruffle the feathers of the modern outrage brigade, so we mustn't do that.
 
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I was curious about how this turned out as well but I haven't had time to watch it. I went to IMDB to see what the reviews were like, it's weirdly split. The show's rating overall is 7.8 but there are number of written reviews where the score is much lower with a variety of complaints. What this reminds me of is that "comedy" special by Hannah Gadsby, Nannette.

That unfunny piece of shit has an 8 but if you read the user reviews it seems like overall score score was inflated by bots or by the...politically motivated giving it a 10 out of spite. The reviews on both feature the same strangeness where all of them are like 50% split between being voted as helpful or not regardless of the actual score the review gave, and both feature absurdly high numbers of people rating it as a 10. 34% of people rating Nannette gave it a 10 while 31% gave Sandman a 10. That shit is fishy.

That tells me if you aren't part of the show's target audience you're probably not going to like it. Anyone who is part of the target audience will probably say they like it even if they don't, and then rate it a 10 because it perpetuates The Message. Knowing all that I'm going to probably skip it.
 
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