Netflix is about to rape the Sandman

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Haven't seen it yet, but based on the (rather dour) Washington Post review, the first five episodes cover Preludes and Nocturnes, episode 6 adapts Men of Good Fortune, and the other 4 cover Doll's House.
 
Just watched the first episode.

I'm moderately amused. I could say I liked it and I'm interested in watching more. The series looks good.

Expect, of course, some skin tone changes. For instance, Dream's librarian is now a black girl (with the ugliest pair of ears), when he originally was a white old man.

Was there any gay romance in the comic? Oh, I must say I haven't read not a single page of Gaiman's work.

Edit: the girl who played Captain Phasma in Nu Star Wars and Brienne in GoT is Lucifer :\
 
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Chester Rigby said:
Just watched the first episode.

I'm moderately amused. I could say I liked it and I'm interested in watching more. The series looks good.

Expect, of course, some skin tone changes. For instance, Dream's librarian is now a black girl (with the ugliest pair of ears), when he originally was a white old man.

Was there any gay romance in the comic? Oh, I must say I haven't read not a single page of Gaiman's work.

Edit: the girl who played Captain Phasma in Nu Star Wars and Brienne in GoT is Lucifer :\
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First episode is largely unchanged from the comic. There are adjustments but nothing massive and yes, the gay romance was in too.

The changes are only increasing as the episodes go on and very few of them are not headache inducing. Edited to spoiler stuff

Some however are logical such as Joanna Constantine replacing John in modern times is annoying but I suspect it is more due to rights than anything else. Similarly I doubt we'll see Batman or Martian Manhunter in this.

That it is Jenna Coleman is more headache inducing because I was done with her after the Doctor Who run. Her efforts to adopt a working class accent are also laughable because she keeps slipping out of it and the attempts to swear constantly come across less as John Constantine and more petulant teenager writing profanity on Twitter.

Dream is possibly the weakest part. He could manage some of the detached inhuman aloofness in the first episode but every one since so far he has been less good at it.
 
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Morethanabitfoolish said:
First episode is largely unchanged from the comic. There are adjustments but nothing massive and yes, the gay romance was in too.

The changes are only increasing as the episodes go on and very few of them are not headache inducing. Some however are logical such as Joanna Constantine replacing John in modern times is annoying but I suspect it is more due to rights than anything else. Similarly I doubt we'll see Batman or Martian Manhunter in this.

That it is Jenna Coleman is more headache inducing because I was done with her after the Doctor Who run. Her efforts to adopt a working class accent are also laughable because she keeps slipping out of it and the attempts to swear constantly come across less as John Constantine and more petulant teenager writing profanity on Twitter.

Dream is possibly the weakest part. He could manage some of the detached inhuman aloofness in the first episode but every one since so far he has been less good at it.
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Huh. I thought he was pretty good in the first episode. Almost seemed like perfect casting but... well we'll see.

Overall I liked the feel and presentation of the 1st episode. Some of the casting will raise eyebrows but it's fine otherwise. I got the most cringe out of the season preview when Patton Oswald as a crow showed up.

That man rubs me the wrong way.
 
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Michael Wade said:
Huh. I thought he was pretty good in the first episode. Almost seemed like perfect casting but... well we'll see.

Overall I liked the feel and presentation of the 1st episode. Some of the casting will raise eyebrows but it's fine otherwise. I got the most cringe out of the season preview when Patton Oswald as a crow showed up.

That man rubs me the wrong way.
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I feel he gets worse as it goes on. First episode I was actually optimistic. But I might be being unfair.

That preview though...I felt all the hope just drain from me.

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Casting Lucifer as female I don't especially care about, problem is it feels like it was intended to be ripping off from Constantine's Gabriel and the performance just does not do the job. And then for no sane reason they change it to have Lucifer face Dream in the contest for his helm. Thus making Lucifer less impressive which is an unnecessary choice on every level. The visuals are creative at least but it moves it outside of the realm of a battle of wits. Matthew is also growing more annoying by the episode.
 
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I haven't even read the comics, but fuck Netflix and fuck Neil Gaiman for selling his cock-holster asshole to the tranny writing team and the kikes steadily undermining a century worth of your culture to get rich off of you. This seemed like it could have been cool, but it's got too many niggers in it.

My suspension of disbelief only goes so far; no eternal being would ever choose to be a nigger.
 
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My dude Wesley Dodds has been spared, I hope.
 
Again pretty close to the comic though toned down a bit which is unsurprising. A good episode though and I enjoyed John Dee's performance in this and the prior episode. The ending felt like the weakest part when Dream actually joins the episode but it is not bad, simply not as enjoyable as the first bit.

Dubious quality, not least because the Netflix gets strong with this one. Again hews fairly close but the changes are pure Netflix

Death's actress is fine. I think she lacks some of the energy I would have expected from her performance but that's the way it goes. What is interesting though is as well as making her black of the 4 people outside of Dream she gets lines of dialogue with? 3 of those are black, 2 of them swapping ethnicities from the comics. I would ask if Netflix thinks black people only interact with black people but who am I kidding, they probably do.

Gladstone's stuff is again fairly similar from the comics. I actually quite liked Dream's performance here reacting to both successful and miserable Gladstone, it touched a bit more on the inhuman side of the character. But of course they had to ruin it first when the slavery stuff came up (that's right Dream, moralise about slavery. Why do you care again?) and then when the prostitute who was pox-ridden in the comics turns up they omit the pox reference and give her a sad backstory. While Dream did remark on the slavery in the original it was far less of a condemnation.

Foolishly they also remove additional dialogue from Gladstone about the slave trade ina later exchange. They could have left the original dialogue as is and it would have been as anti-slavery. Also unnecessary added profanity again. Very mature Netflix.

Oh look, it's Johanna Constantine. Again. But this is the ancestor of the original. Making them literal carbon copies of one another (unlike the comics where it was Johanna and John) and therefore having nothing to distinguish the two performances. I might be being unfair, I'd be unsurprised if Netflix could not use John Constantine but they could have done literally anything else.

Annnnd Desire's get those stupid ear lobe widening earrings. Apologies to posters who have them too but I cannot stand them.

Bit of a preview for the upcoming Collector's convention, Netflix also continues to be inadvertently as offensive as A&H by insinuating that if a gay man housesits for you he'll invite in a complete stranger for sex. Rose's mum has been removed from the plotline and instead they've fitted Lyta Hall in there.

Rose naturally cannot be saved by old white man Gilbert so has to for no explained reason be able to fight off a man on her own because can't have women be vulnerable to me. And of course Gilbert has to verify she totally could have taken them on her own.

Good grief, then Matthew, whose job is to observe things and report them claims she fought them off without mentioning the old guy wandering around with a sword cane. You are useless Matthew. One job. You had one job.

Despair is disappointing.

Oh and the ending is Rose sauntering into the palace of Dream to ask for information about her brother. Because we're off the rails now.

By Netflix standards I remain cautiously optimistic. Problem is every addition they make and most of their changes tend to be poor quality. However the vast majority of the dialogue is lifted verbatim from the comics which is helping a lot.

In addition, much like Doom Patrol, the majority of stuff Netflix normally adds to its work is already present in the original. Unfortunately what they do add tends to be ham-fisted and obvious.

It's on the background while I do housework so might be missing stuff.
 
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Pretty bland adaptation from what I've seen so far, not offensive or anything but its just not as good as the source.

Sandman really uses the medium of comics to enhance its story with panel placement and the colorwork, it fully explores the various ways storytelling is done in comics. This adaptation has the story plot beats mostly intact but doesn't seem to have the any overarching meta content or explore unique choices which can only be done in the context of film.

Gaiman, has always been fascinated by narrative structure and storytelling and this adaptation is lacking those roots.
 
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Mister Loser said:
Yeah if you want any kind of adaptation with audio the dramatic reading/audiobook is definitely the way to go.

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I mean, basically the whole cast is perfect. Kat Dennings would've been the perfect big tiddy goth GF Death we deserved if Netflix wasn't absolute garbage.
Also, why is the adaptation on Netflix anyway? Isn't Sandman a DC property?
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Rumor has it that it was supposed to be on HBO but they raped Watchmen so badly that Warner said "no just no" and sold the rights to Netflix instead.
 
Yeah politisperging because I would never watch it, but I'm really sick of "right side of history" with adaptions. If Gaiman had actually believed in the shit he's spouting he'd disown the original for being full of sexist/racist/transphobic and recreate a "fixed" version full of troons and niggers. But instead there's the doublethink that the adaption fixes the series original sin but never acknowledging that sin when it comes to the writer's source of income.
 
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Thomas Highway said:
I have all the leather bound collectors editions of the Sandman books.

These are not comics that aged well. They seem to be re-tellings of existing mythology. I probably wouldn't own them if not for the nostalgia factor.

This is not something to get upset about.
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The only good Sandman books are the first three volumes. And the second volume still pisses me off at how Gaiman shit all over Roy Thomas and continues to do so to this very day, to the point of fucking up the 00s JSA series.
 
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