Netflix is about to rape the Sandman

Lemmingwise said:
Here all subcultures seem to have been overshadowed by mass migration. You don't see many people trying to look different; people are instead trying to look normal.

Besides the blue hairs that is.



I think there were always fat goths as well.
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I am an old, but -- back in the 80s/90s, when I was traveling in goth/rocker circles, you did occasionally have chubby or even fat chicks. There weren't nearly as many fat people in general back then, though. And, those fat chicks actually put in the work, wearing makeup, with really nice clothing, hair done to a t, etc, and some actually looked pretty fucking hot, cause they gave a shit about their appearance, even if they couldn't lose the pounds. You did have some trashfires here and there, and it was expected to have at least a couple dumpy loser fat chicks in half-assed outfits sitting outside the goth clubs chainsmoking because they either couldn't get in the club or were too pooped to dance, but even the dumpier or chubbier chicks would go to great lengths to look nice. Goth is a very forgiving look if you do it right, black clothes and stylized makeup do wonders (just look at Japanese chicks, they got that shit down to a fucking science).

Gaiman's Death didn't start a look, it exemplified it, chicks were already looking like that in the late 80s, and when they saw the posters with Death on it, went HOLY SHIT IT'S ME! Look at Siouxsie Sioux -- that broad changed the style of hundreds of thousands of Gen X girls until the late 90s (and she deserves a medal for it). I look at photos of us in general from that period and compare them to 20-somethings now and it's like night and fucking day, people go out of their way to look like a bucket of ass now. Even the grunge kids looked cleaner. I'm seeing some glimmers of hope though, seeing teens in my neighborhood actually wearing decent clothes, running, having their hair done right. God please let there be hope.

EDIT apologies if this is a derail
 
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Puddleduck said:
Gen Z in general seem more sensible than Milenials. Less woke, more based, less social media obsessed, caring more about their appearance...
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Yeah. There's enough good zoomers and loser zoomers that you can find evidence to support whichever preconception you have of the generation. But in general I get on better and have more in common with Zoomers I meet than millenials. Which is sad in that I feel a little marooned by my age, but good in that it gives me some hope for the future.
 
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They're never going to be able to get this to fly with fans if death isnt a cute goth chick. If somehow Kirby Howell-Baptiste pulls it off they might get away with it. I've seen black goths, Hell I dated one a few years back so I know it can be done but the casting choice doesnt feel like they can Pull of death with kirby, she's got the cheer but she hasnt got the look or the subtle gravitas.
Their's a lot of weird casting choices here luciens casting is weird and I'm unsure why they made cain and abel india subcontinent rather than arabic which would be the obvious race swap. It's pretty obvious a lot of these casting decisions are deliberate but a comiteee and neil should have produced something more calculated not to alienate unless neils a fucking idiot. Even morpheus looks miscast.
 
Thiletonomics said:
Speaking of which, whatever happened to the goth chick trend anyways? Given what currently is trending, i.e. the LGBTQZOMGWTFBBQ rainbow, and the alphabet soup of genders growing larger everyday, makes me miss the goth chick trend.
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I saw a goth chick out in town this morning. Goth-lite but still goth. Looked around 17. Don't see many now but they're out there. In general, I would say current generation is less interested in cliques than back in the Eighties. You can see a goth chick hanging out just as happily with some mainstream girls it seems to me now, and they'll think her way of dressing is just as valid a look as anything else. Kids are more accepting these days.

Emperor Julian said:
They're never going to be able to get this to fly with fans if death isnt a cute goth chick. If somehow Kirby Howell-Baptiste pulls it off they might get away with it. I've seen black goths, Hell I dated one a few years back so I know it can be done but the casting choice doesnt feel like they can Pull of death with kirby, she's got the cheer but she hasnt got the look or the subtle gravitas.
Their's a lot of weird casting choices here luciens casting is weird and I'm unsure why they made cain and abel india subcontinent rather than arabic which would be the obvious race swap. It's pretty obvious a lot of these casting decisions are deliberate but a comiteee and neil should have produced something more calculated not to alienate unless neils a fucking idiot. Even morpheus looks miscast.
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Frankly, if they were going to race-change anyone it should be Cain and Abel who presumably would be African. But then maybe they're supposed to be mythological rather than the literal Cain and Abel, I don't know, in which case maybe they're supposed to conform to popular, European Christianity depictions. I don't know.
 
Overly Serious said:
I saw a goth chick out in town this morning. Goth-lite but still goth. Looked around 17. Don't see many now but they're out there. In general, I would say current generation is less interested in cliques than back in the Eighties. You can see a goth chick hanging out just as happily with some mainstream girls it seems to me now, and they'll think her way of dressing is just as valid a look as anything else. Kids are more accepting these days.



Frankly, if they were going to race-change anyone it should be Cain and Abel who presumably would be African. But then maybe they're supposed to be mythological rather than the literal Cain and Abel, I don't know, in which case maybe they're supposed to conform to popular, European Christianity depictions. I don't know.
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Cain and Abel First appeared in a DC comic of Biblical stories, and they apparently are the same beings.

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"The Story of Creation": The synopsis for this issue has not yet been written. Picture Stories from the Bible Old Testament #3 is an issue of the series Picture Stories from the Bible Old Testament (Volume 1) published in 1943. Featured Characters: Adam (First appearance) Eve (First appearance)...
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Puddleduck said:
Cain and Abel First appeared in a DC comic of Biblical stories, and they apparently are the same beings.

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Picture Stories from the Bible Old Testament Vol 1 3

"The Story of Creation": The synopsis for this issue has not yet been written. Picture Stories from the Bible Old Testament #3 is an issue of the series Picture Stories from the Bible Old Testament (Volume 1) published in 1943. Featured Characters: Adam (First appearance) Eve (First appearance)...
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So they are intended to be the literal Cain and Abel. Meaning the two characters that actually should be African they've made not. Or in the DC universe did African people have White ancestors? Well, Indian based on rumoured casting, I guess. Oh, that latter one is going to be fun. Someone who isn't banned from Twitter should ask it.
 
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They're never going to be able to get this to fly with fans if death isnt a cute goth chick. If somehow Kirby Howell-Baptiste pulls it off they might get away with it. I've seen black goths, Hell I dated one a few years back so I know it can be done but the casting choice doesnt feel like they can Pull of death with kirby, she's got the cheer but she hasnt got the look or the subtle gravitas.
Their's a lot of weird casting choices here luciens casting is weird and I'm unsure why they made cain and abel india subcontinent rather than arabic which would be the obvious race swap. It's pretty obvious a lot of these casting decisions are deliberate but a comiteee and neil should have produced something more calculated not to alienate unless neils a fucking idiot. Even morpheus looks miscast.
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I dated a black goth chick for a few years in the mid-90s, and believe me, she would have roasted this fucking thing alive -- she was the one who taught me just how insufferable and infantilizing liberal race pandering really was.
 
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Overly Serious said:
So they are intended to be the literal Cain and Abel. Meaning the two characters that actually should be African they've made not. Or in the DC universe did African people have White ancestors? Well, Indian based on rumoured casting, I guess. Oh, that latter one is going to be fun. Someone who isn't banned from Twitter should ask it.
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They're the mythological Cain and Abel. They apparently had some independent existence before they became dreams, but they "didn't look remotely human back then." The versions inhabiting the Dreaming are the hosts from House of Mystery and House of Secrets.
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If you wanted to use real world mythology, Cain and Abel is a Semitic myth--maybe inspired by Sumerian contest literature--and Eden was in Mesopotamia, so they'd be some variety of Middle Eastern.
 
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They're the mythological Cain and Abel. They apparently had some independent existence before they became dreams, but they "didn't look remotely human back then." The versions inhabiting the Dreaming are the hosts from House of Mystery and House of Secrets.
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If you wanted to use real world mythology, Cain and Abel is a Semitic myth--maybe inspired by Sumerian contest literature--and Eden was in Mesopotamia, so they'd be some variety of Middle Eastern.
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Okay, that's the sort of thing I was getting at. At first I thought they should be African (and they've been made Indian for some reason). But then I wondered what with all the dream / symbolism / myth stuff if maybe they were meant to be some kind of archetype rather than a real Cain and Abel. Seems like that's the case then. But if so, then they wouldn't be Indian as Cain and Abel isn't part of Indian mythology. Thanks for the info.
 
Not the Netflix adaptation, but there was a dog and pony show about the audible audiobook adaptation at NYCC yesterday. I'll spoiler the whole thing as off-topic.

Tolerable enough to listen to, surprising as that might be with anything involving Kevin Smith these days, it was mostly about the technical and creative issues in adapting a comic book to an audio medium. Nothing about muh representation, at least as far as I've gotten. At the very end, we get a bit about how proud they were to have a trans person narrate a trans character. Hopefully sounds like Bluto from Popeye. Impressive that they found Betty Boop to moderate.



 
Yuuichirou Kumada said:
And let's see how will they explain the "moonspell" situation in the Game of You adaptation, if they actually reach that far.
In this one, a transvestite is impeded from entering the mind of a girl who has a mental parasite in her head because the spell requires menstrual blood to be able to enter it. As a result, she stays behind and ends up killed by a strong storm hitting the boarding house where she and the afflicted girl were staying.
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Apparently Neil sees nothing wrong with it but he’s got trannies on the writing team so I’m sure they’ll “fix” it.
 
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Standardized Profile said:
* Delirium first appeared as a teenage scene girl so I wouldn't be surprised if she was modeled after someone Gaiman or an artist wanted to fuck.
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When Sandman was relevant, Gaiman had a lot of teenage girls who would show up to cons. It wouldn't be surprising if one of them inspired Delirium.

I'm shocked the movie is going forward; the comics haven't aged well at all. It's a product of the 90s and should stay there.

They're trying to appeal to the woke mob with "diverse casting" but who thought a black person should play Death? She is supposed to be the person you see when you die. "Let's associate dying with black people" is going to blow up in their faces.
 
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Canned Ham said:
They're trying to appeal to the woke mob with "diverse casting" but who thought a black person should play Death? She is supposed to be the person you see when you die. "Let's associate dying with black people" is going to blow up in their faces.
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If someone doesn't accuse her of trying to steal his wallet, it's an opportunity wasted.
 
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I mean, Despair is a perfect shot here, cuz look, nothing seem to be as desperate and pathetic creature as a woke fem deathfat fighting for blm rights while being white as fuck, imo.
And Desire, yeah, okay, I sincerely have a desire to kill the casting director for this move\series (in minecraft). Because you can't make a black Death without putting the Plagued Plague Doctor suit on her and they don't have any, which is a great shame. And the whole cast is meh, overall. Also why would you put a mentally ill person for that role, I do not understand...

To the point: the cast sucks, with only one perfect candidate for the role.
 
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