Megathread Non-binary genders / Enbies - When Male and Female Aren't Special Enough

[TooManyKittens]

Feminism has a lot to answer for in this case. Telling a generation of women and girls that they are in danger and people will violate their bodies because they are women is inevitably going to make some of them not want to be women.

But that can't be all there is to it. You don't get an equivalent movement of blacks trying to bleach their skin and telling the rest of the world they're not black. Why is that? Honest question.

Feminism has an answer for some of this. Its just that the whole idea in many ways got corrupted and absorbed into lefty progressive ideals. This happened way before crt.

Mind you I can't play with the true rad fems because I think they are also nuts but..

Facts: on average and when comparing against similar levels of athletics and activity
Men are stronger, faster in short distances and can generally inflict violence easily on females *if they want to* without a counterbalancer at play.

A rad fem will tell you its inherent to men to want to perpetrate that violence. A saner one will tell you that isn't true, but they pretty much win if they want to. a liberal will ignore that guns are often a good equalizer. A gun toting politically homeless asshole like me will tell you that the sane fems are right and being armed is good.

Other fact: in some parts of the world male on female violence is in fact epidemic and normalized. Its mostly not the west with some exceptions. Gender specials ignore that in an actual patriarchy women cannot opt out of being women. Historically if a women could fool everyone she might live as a man but this has very little to do with trans, enby, or pronouns. Liberals ignore all of it and claim them as trans and ignore anything outside their privileged views. Rad fems will tell you everything is male on female violence even in the west. They're both nuts but it is still feminist to say the facts above and believe that such an arrangement as say Iran has about their women is horseshit.

It is completely a delusional view of the west that you are constantly in danger from everyone at all times for being female. Its equally delusional that you can possibly opt out of it without managing to actually truly live as a man to the point nobody clocks you ever.

You only get this incoherence by smashing up rad fem theory with lib fem theory which ofc makes no sense. At all.


Edit to add re race: for the same reason that in reality women can't easily opt out of being treated like a woman, black people know and are largely not stupid enough to think they can opt out of being seen as black. They can opt out of some stupid stereotypes and get an education but frankly skin bleaching won't make you look white if you have mostly African American features. Black people don't do much of this non binary horseshit either. Same reason. Not that this is in any way a validation of woke crt shit where all things are racist it just means they have at least a pinky toe left in the reality end of the pool

 

[NoReturn]

I thought making your body look a certain way was a thing some people are born wanting to do. This comic says it's caused by cultural pressure to look a certain way. I mean, she's not wrong, but Christ! Is this person even non-binary by her own standards, or just an insecure cis woman?

She calls it out explicitly here, too.

 

[Meiwaku]

Non-binary woman: either super fat or super thin. Likely a lesbian or GNC woman. Multiple mental illnesses. Hates being predated on by men and thus wants to renounce womanhood. Lacks positive parental attachment.

Non-binary male: a sexual predator

 

[Surfin Terf]

Non-binary woman: either super fat or super thin. Likely a lesbian or GNC woman. Multiple mental illnesses. Hates being predated on by men and thus wants to renounce womanhood. Lacks positive parental attachment.

Non-binary male: a sexual predator

I get where this stereotype comes from, but I think that male enby's are just as likely to be highly autistic males. The one I see at Costco running around with his mom, wearing a dress and a they/them pin seems entirely harmless.

 

[Sissyagamben]

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She calls it out explicitly here, too.

Blob unattractive woman who’s in her 30s with no family perspectives, no stable long term partner, no children, and think she’s miserable because SOCIETY, wait no, THERE ARE HOT PEOPLE EXISTING IN SOCIETY. ????

Maybe specific beauty standards are socially constructed, like hair colour or how much fat one shall have on their ass, everyone with a memory and has lived more than 15 years knows the ideal changes all the time. But goddamn people are animals who need to mate, and people wants to be loved and accepted, and being attractive surely will make the first steps of that easier. Yes if you are ugly you are going to feel bad about it and it’s not society’s fault you are unattractive, past your most prime birthing years, and still deluded about a concept that should only be entertained by mentally deranged teenagers who were diddled at age 5.

But her issue is not just that, she is lost af with no family. I’m not saying since she is a woman she is lost without being a wife and mother, I’m saying since she is a human she is miserable without having a spouse and children. Before the age of 20 I thought conservatives sperging about family values are puritan freaks with no imagination, now I realized how important just that structured connection, love, and support can do for you and it will matter regardless if you have a dick or vagina. Maybe 1% of people are so talented and motivated that they find soooo much fulfillment in their career or creativity, the 99% really do rely on their loved ones as the meaning and structure in their lives. They have jobs, not careers, and work so they can feed the children and take them on vacations. And by the look of her art dare I say she’s not a creative genius?
Instead of putting some effort into making her more appealing, working on her mental stability and ability to maintain a healthy long term relationship, this bitch thinks it’s alllll because people call her by her first name, which she’s had for more than 30+ years, and not her middle name. What?? And now she’s further lead down the rabbit hole of gender cult, wishing becoming a nonexistent gender category will magically cure all her woes and make her suddenly whole, motivated, attractive, fulfilled, happy, and not lonely lost comfused anymore. Yeah, right, and by the time all her eggs shrivel up it’s about time society turns against tranny shit like they did lobotomy. I just can’t really believe how stupid these people are. For my fav thread SRS horrors at least there’s always some lingering crumb of sympathy for the mutilated freaks, especially for the kids and rape victims, and maybe mati for Jewish pharma butchery, but this just is really fucking stupid and pathetic.

 

[Meiwaku]

I get where this stereotype comes from, but I think that male enby's are just as likely to be highly autistic males. The one I see at Costco running around with his mom, wearing a dress and a they/them pin seems entirely harmless.

Assuming any they/them scrote isn't a sexual predator is like assuming any anime twitter pfp or discord mod isn't as well. Not worth the risk.

 

[White Trash Motorsport]

Blob unattractive woman who’s in her 30s with no family perspectives, no stable long term partner, no children, and think she’s miserable because SOCIETY, wait no, THERE ARE HOT PEOPLE EXISTING IN SOCIETY. ????

Maybe specific beauty standards are socially constructed, like hair colour or how much fat one shall have on their ass, everyone with a memory and has lived more than 15 years knows the ideal changes all the time. But goddamn people are animals who need to mate, and people wants to be loved and accepted, and being attractive surely will make the first steps of that easier. Yes if you are ugly you are going to feel bad about it and it’s not society’s fault you are unattractive, past your most prime birthing years, and still deluded about a concept that should only be entertained by mentally deranged teenagers who were diddled at age 5.

But her issue is not just that, she is lost af with no family. I’m not saying since she is a woman she is lost without being a wife and mother, I’m saying since she is a human she is miserable without having a spouse and children. Before the age of 20 I thought conservatives sperging about family values are puritan freaks with no imagination, now I realized how important just that structured connection, love, and support can do for you and it will matter regardless if you have a dick or vagina. Maybe 1% of people are so talented and motivated that they find soooo much fulfillment in their career or creativity, the 99% really do rely on their loved ones as the meaning and structure in their lives. They have jobs, not careers, and work so they can feed the children and take them on vacations. And by the look of her art dare I say she’s not a creative genius?
Instead of putting some effort into making her more appealing, working on her mental stability and ability to maintain a healthy long term relationship, this bitch thinks it’s alllll because people call her by her first name, which she’s had for more than 30+ years, and not her middle name. What?? And now she’s further lead down the rabbit hole of gender cult, wishing becoming a nonexistent gender category will magically cure all her woes and make her suddenly whole, motivated, attractive, fulfilled, happy, and not lonely lost comfused anymore. Yeah, right, and by the time all her eggs shrivel up it’s about time society turns against tranny shit like they did lobotomy. I just can’t really believe how stupid these people are. For my fav thread SRS horrors at least there’s always some lingering crumb of sympathy for the mutilated freaks, especially for the kids and rape victims, and maybe mati for Jewish pharma butchery, but this just is really fucking stupid and pathetic.

Funnily enough, the only enby I know is a sad, lonely 30-something with a victim complex, still living the life he should have left behind ten years ago. As a related aside, 3/4 of the ‘child free’ I know are sad depressives who constantly vaguebook their misery and fill what should be time taken up by family with dilettante hobbies, so I think you have a strong point about the human need for close family connections. Whether it’s their failure to achieve that which makes them this way, or whether the way they are caused that failure, I don’t know. Probably a bit of both.

 

[Sissyagamben]

Funnily enough, the only enby I know is a sad, lonely 30-something with a victim complex, still living the life he should have left behind ten years ago. As a related aside, 3/4 of the ‘child free’ I know are sad depressives who constantly vaguebook their misery and fill what should be time taken up by family with dilettante hobbies, so I think you have a strong point about the human need for close family connections. Whether it’s their failure to achieve that which makes them this way, or whether the way they are caused that failure, I don’t know. Probably a bit of both.

I think victim complex def is one of the core causes that will push someone who’s feeble minded into NB bs, it’s peculiar in all the gender categories since NB is not even really a thing. Getting raped/extreme sexual deviance often pushes one completely into the opposite categories. (Excluding the millions of 22yo she/they and he/they who are just doing a fad)

When one reaches the late late 20s and nothing is working out well for them, it’s usually a wake up call to get their shit together. They usually try to change their destructive and unfulfilling ways, or at least starting to realize. Now if one has a fucked sense of victim complex then nothing of this is their fault, and being an “non-binary” is the perfect scape goat. I have trouble feeling connected to other people and maintain meaningful relationships, it mustn’t be my lack of social skills (that can be learned) or annoying personality, but the evil oppwession of non-binaire folks!!! The oppression is so bad that people for the whole of history only started to get the idea that we exist!!!! And the issue is being non binary offers literally zero, zero direction for one to go. At least an insane hsts has the goal to terraform his crotch into a fake vagina, what’s one to do when nonbinary? Some take some hormones, cut off tits etc, but ultimately there’s no end goal and they can waste their whole life in chasing the nonexistent dragon. And until the wave of médicalisation of tranny shit is turned, they can duck their head in the sand of only having one issue: the issue of damn society not accepting and recognizing non binary folx. Without a victim complex people usually figure out their responsibility in making their lives better, but these retards simply refuse to.
(Side track to the topic of unmarried childless 30 somethings, I have even been lenient in my former post. The people who managed to get to the top of their field and has made more money than anyone know how to spend are usually still miserable, because money and achievement can’t make one less lonely. But I am optimistic maybe some historically important geniuses, like Einstein or some shit, whose contribution to humanity is so great they truly don’t want to put any time in changing diapers and wash dishes. Anyone except those all need to take a deep look inside and ask whether they are THAT good in their craft to not seek comfort in loving relationships and family structures. The thing is marriage and raising kids are not easy, and working on oneself is hard. So instead, they would just love the solution sold to them in the shape of non binary and hope changing their name and injecting some wrong sex hormones will do the tricks

 

[Fapcop]

Aside from sexual deviancy and sexual trauma, isn’t failure what drives quite a few enbies?

Failure at living up to perceived gender norms?

This seems like something both the land whales and the skinny autist gamer dudes have in common. Can’t converse with the opposite sex, your own sex think you’re a weirdo. You don’t have interests aligned with your gender but some weird hobbies.

And presto: You’re not really a failure without a stable income and a social life, you’re NON BINARY! And it’s not your fault!

 

[Thunk Provoker]

From r/XenogendersAndMore, a user wants to reclaim nor/mal pronouns:

Thoughts on reclaiming nor/mal pronouns? TW: neopronoun hate, it/its hate : XenogendersAndMore | Ghostarchive

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[Trombonista]

Why couldn't neopronouns die in 2015 like they were supposed to?

 

[Big Boz]

Why couldn't neopronouns die in 2015 like they were supposed to?

It's all to do with the echo chamber.

When you spend hundreds of hours of your life filling your head with bullshit gender theories, of course this all seems normal to you. The fact that your little online circle is filled with them only validates it.

I say "online circle" because that's how 99% of these people learn about this junk. It's not about actual research that involves talking and studying actual people; that requires social skills. And if there's one thing we know about gender freaks, it's that they are absolutely wonderful to interact with in real life.

The only thing they really have on their side is whining. Specifically, whining to those mainstream shitlibs who are willing to "listen and believe", and then tell others about how valid they are in order to continue their never-ending virtue signaling.

It's not necessarily these people that are the problem, it's the people who will defend them. They turned non-binaries and neopronouns into a serious issue in American social life instead of keeping it as gunk in the corners of the internet.

 

[Arianne Chan]

Idk why this shit is still not yet considered a mental disorder when clearly it should be

 

[Am a tigoor]

I am going to out myself as cringe for sharing this because you'll know that I know about Monster High dolls. They rebooted the series and the Frankie character is now ~non binary~, this isn't a fan thing it's actually in the cartoon that kids are watching.



And I can confirm that people get MAD AS SHIT when some poor sod dares to call their doll a she. Pointing out that it's literally a piece of mass produced plastic that you can call what you want just makes it worse.

Also note how Frankie looks and acts like a girl, in order to appeal to girls, so little girls will want to buy the toy. But she's not a girl, oh nonono.

 

[Arianne Chan]

 

[Aunt Carol]

I am going to out myself as cringe for sharing this because you'll know that I know about Monster High dolls. They rebooted the series and the Frankie character is now ~non binary~, this isn't a fan thing it's actually in the cartoon that kids are watching.

Well, at least they got the "manmade abomination" part right.

 

[Varsha Nagini]

I am going to out myself as cringe for sharing this because you'll know that I know about Monster High dolls. They rebooted the series and the Frankie character is now ~non binary~, this isn't a fan thing it's actually in the cartoon that kids are watching.

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And I can confirm that people get MAD AS SHIT when some poor sod dares to call their doll a she. Pointing out that it's literally a piece of mass produced plastic that you can call what you want just makes it worse.

Also note how Frankie looks and acts like a girl, in order to appeal to girls, so little girls will want to buy the toy. But she's not a girl, oh nonono.

I'd typically agree with you, but I think in this case (if my understanding from 2 seconds of Googling is to be believed so please correct me if I'm wrong) this might be the only time they/them or whatever makes sense, since this thing is meant to be modelled off of Frankenstein's monster? So it would make sense since Frankie's body parts are probably a mix of male and female donors?

Still a blatant insidious attempt at normalising this they/them garbage though.

 

[Aunt Carol]

I'd typically agree with you, but I think in this case (if my understanding from 2 seconds of Googling is to be believed so please correct me if I'm wrong) this might be the only time they/them or whatever makes sense, since this thing is meant to be modelled off of Frankenstein's monster? So it would make sense since Frankie's body parts are probably a mix of male and female donors?

Literal zippertits.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Well, at least they got the "manmade abomination" part right.

This shit is predictive programming designed to normalize this shit and indoctrinate kids into that fucked value system before they are old enough to question it, so by the time they get old enough to recognize the insanity it's already a part of their environment and they don't question it.
It's fucking cynical evil designed to undermine normal standards.

 

[Am a tigoor]

I'd typically agree with you, but I think in this case (if my understanding from 2 seconds of Googling is to be believed so please correct me if I'm wrong) this might be the only time they/them or whatever makes sense, since this thing is meant to be modelled off of Frankenstein's monster? So it would make sense since Frankie's body parts are probably a mix of male and female donors?

Still a blatant insidious attempt at normalising this they/them garbage though.

I get your point, though the original version was definitely a girl. It could be an interesting concept for an adult oriented version of Frankenstein but the fact that they changed it and it's for kids is ehhh.

edited to add: it's interesting that she's pretty much only NB in the cartoon (and movie iirc). The dolls themselves have very small bios on the boxes and it's not mentioned on Frankie's box. I'm thinking it's either because they know parents would complain/not buy it, or because Mattel keeps the bios limited on purpose because it is a toy after all and they want kids to use their imagination rather than just give them a preconceived character. Perhaps a bit of both.