Megathread Non-binary genders / Enbies - When Male and Female Aren't Special Enough

[Die Oberste Direktive]

Left is before trooning out (or enbie-ing like it makes a fucking difference), right is after, obviously. Why do they do this to themselves?
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So the NB from this post I made two years ago was/still is active on Archive of Our Own (AO3) and I don't know if there is a thread for that site specifically on the farms, the search didn't turn anything definitive up. I was reminded of her a few days ago and decided to see if she was still doing her stupid fan-fic and by golly in a short couple of months 2024 has been her most prolific year.

I thought I would share some the better bad writing here. She's a western asexual fujoshi. All of the gay romance shit without any explicit sex and only with western franchises. [Profile]

(03 Jul 201 Dick Grayson and Jason Todd gay seggs

Dick moved so swiftly to close the gap between them, Jason barely had time to ready his arms for a fight as they were pinned tightly against his chest, with broad, trained muscles squeezing the seeping anger almost right out of him and suddenly- before he could register it- his body was trembling. His arms and legs shook, his breaths coming in fast and shallow and- oh shit. He was going to have a panic attack.

“Shhh, shh, sh. Ssshhh. Jay. Jay, it’s okay. It’s okay.”

“Huhh-hh-” Jason tried.

“Shh, just breathe, little bird, I’ve got you.”

“D-Dick, I- I’m so-”

“Shh, I know. It’s okay.” The arms tightened. A few moments later and Jason was actually calmed down somewhat. Was somewhat in the moment despite the whole- drunk as fuck and hadn’t eaten anything all day while also being completely physically and emotionally spent factor but- still. He was calm. Nightwing sat them down on the couch. “I..” Dick began, almost avoiding Jason’s eyes but thinking better of it, connecting them instead. “No, I’m sorry. I shouldn’t have hesitated.”​

(28 May 2019) The Flash homo shit

Barry huffed again. “Yeah? Well, you gunna keep me chained up here, master thief, forever. What’s your endgame?”

“Hm. Right now? To not lose what I have my hands on.” Barry looked up at him with a remorseful tinge. “How about we try coffee and some dinner? We’ve never tried that, yet. Usually we just, ya’ know, beat eachother up, foil each others plans. Ever think we’re doing this relationship thing wrong?”

Barry laughed. “No.”

“Oh.” Len laughed back.

“You… want to have dinner… with me..?”

“Yes, Barry Allen. I want to have dinner with you. Not because I’m trying to save you, you know I’m just doing it for selfish reasons, that’s all.” Len winked.

“Well, surely. I know your MO, Captain Cold.” Barry chimed back.

“See, the only thing is- I’m going to need to trust you- kid..” Barry’s stomach felt like he swallowed a particularly jagged two-ton weight as his gaze shied away. “ Barry.” Len said commandingly until their eyes met again. “I swear, I promise- to give this a shot- if you promise the same thing. The rest- we work on one minute, of one day, at a time.”

The air went tense again between them as Barry huffed out a sigh the room seemed to sigh with him as everything relaxed a margin. “Okay..” Len didn’t move. “Okay, I promise to give it a try…”

Len sighed perhaps in an audible relief, he couldn’t be sure, but he moved to undo the cuffs; leaning over Barry’s body he glanced a peek down before undoing the last click and saw Barry eyeing him, biting his lip. He looked so, beautiful. Then he smirked. “I mean, at least for sure I’d like to try those lips again. Goddamn, Len. You are so beautiful .”

Len stiffened slightly as the cuffs came undone, Barry looking at him wide dough-eyed and mouth slightly agape as he leaned up on his arms.

“..What?” Len huffed.

“Oh my God; did I just make Captain Cold go red?”

(29 Feb 2024) Psych non-con. Yes, that Psych. Y'know, the mediocre TV show from the early 2000s.

“Oh, you don’t have to beg, pretty thing.” Jax smiled and licked his lips, moving his hand just to the side of the seam of Shawn’s pants. Shawn shut his eyes tightly as violent, invasive thoughts flooded his mind and wouldn’t slow down. He just wanted everything to slow down. “ You know, years and years of this kind of work will give you some pretty neat insight. Reading in-between the lines, as I’m sure you know.” He spoke, not ceasing in his explorations of the young psychic. “More than half of talking to people is reading them. Looking past what their mouths are lying about, and hearing what their eyes are screaming at you.” He snatched Shawn’s cheeks in a tight grip as his eyes widened in fear, an ugly bubble of despair knotted in his stomach. “You know what your eyes are telling me, Shawn?” His bottom lip is quivering steadily now. Jax leaned in, brushing his cheek against Shawn’s to whisper while still locked onto desperate, wounded eyes. “ Repression.” He smiled. “ Now why, I wonder, would they be saying that, huh.?”

Shawn sobbed. “Please don’t. I- I could give you anything you wanted. I’m psychic, I swear I could help you out. J-Just don’t. I can’t. I can’t do this. Not-again-please!”

She also just finished a 13 Chapter Pirates of the Caribbean non-con about Jack Sparrow and Will Turner on the first of March that she apparently started in fucking 2015 that I'm excited to start digging into.

I know she's not a full lolcow worthy of a thread, and if there is an AO3 thread that I somehow missed I'd rather post this there, but I couldn't think of a better place for now.

 

[Trombonista]

I know she's not a full lolcow worthy of a thread, and if there is an AO3 thread that I somehow missed I'd rather post this there, but I couldn't think of a better place for now.

We don't have an AO3 thread, but we do have a Fanfiction Horrors thread in Community Watch.

 

[TruffleSpark]

 

[Not A Bunny]

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If gender is just clothes, then why do people need hormones and surgery to "affirm" themselves?

 

[TruffleSpark]

If gender is just clothes, then why do people need hormones and surgery to "affirm" themselves?

Contradictions? In my trans ideology?
It's more likely than you think.

 

[Jacques1194]

If gender is just clothes, then why do people need hormones and surgery to "affirm" themselves?

Some argue that surgery and hormones benefits their mental health because it matches the gender they see themselves as.My two questions are this.Why did they change it to gender dysphoria and not keep it to sex dysphoria then since surgery is usually trying to turn your genitals into the opposite sex's? Secondly, we have data that most TIMs dont get bottom surgery compared to the minority that do.If both groups see each other as female then how can bottom surgery be gender affirming to some TIMs, but also to most, genitals have nothing to do with gender?At that point what is being a woman, and what should they look like?

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Some argue that surgery and hormones benefits their mental health because it matches the gender they see themselves as.My two questions are this.Why did they change it to gender dysphoria and not keep it to sex dysphoria then since surgery is usually trying to turn your genitals into the opposite sex's? Secondly, we have data that most TIMs dont get bottom surgery compared to the minority that do.If both groups see each other as female then how can bottom surgery be gender affirming to some TIMs, but also to most, genitals have nothing to do with gender?At that point what is being a woman, and what should they look like?

And most importantly, why the fuck not change the patient's outlook on life, their minds, rather than their bodies? The brain is so much more plastic than the body.

 

[Not A Bunny]

And most importantly, why the fuck not change the patient's outlook on life, their minds, rather than their bodies? The brain is so much more plastic than the body.

Because that would be too much like conversion therapy, and we don't dare talk about that.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

Some argue that surgery and hormones benefits their mental health because it matches the gender they see themselves as.My two questions are this.Why did they change it to gender dysphoria and not keep it to sex dysphoria then since surgery is usually trying to turn your genitals into the opposite sex's? Secondly, we have data that most TIMs dont get bottom surgery compared to the minority that do.If both groups see each other as female then how can bottom surgery be gender affirming to some TIMs, but also to most, genitals have nothing to do with gender?At that point what is being a woman, and what should they look like?

Don't forget that in the case of the NBs there's no point of reference for a "non binary body", the surgeries most regular trannies get at least try to mimic how someone born that sex would look, but considering NB seems to mean whatever the hell the person claiming it wants it to, as well as how far some of the quacks who perform "gender affirming" surgery will go, the only thing stopping someone from getting three nipples, two stinkditches and a fake dick that rolls up like one of those party whistles is the fact nobody's bothered to research how it could be medically possible. Though in most cases it's usually just girls identifying as they/them getting their boobs removed.

 

[Jacques1194]

Don't forget that in the case of the NBs there's no point of reference for a "non binary body", the surgeries most regular trannies get at least try to mimic how someone born that sex would look, but considering NB seems to mean whatever the hell the person claiming it wants it to, as well as how far some of the quacks who perform "gender affirming" surgery will go, the only thing stopping someone from getting three nipples, two stinkditches and a fake dick that rolls up like one of those party whistles is the fact nobody's bothered to research how it could be medically possible. Though in most cases it's usually just girls identifying as they/them getting their boobs removed.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming a "non binary body"would be one where the person looks "Sexless"?Even though I dont think there has ever been a human being in the world who was born sexless.(and no intersex doesn't count) I still dont know how people take non binary seriously when most of the people who identify as it have no problems connecting with people of either sex.For example, this one lesbian woman I know identifies as NB, and she clearly connects with lesbian women and is obsessed with yuri romance.Yet she's non binary because....she claims to be?

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

Yet she's non binary because....she claims to be?

Yep, there is literally nothing more it.

Some do try more with surgery and hormones but it seems to be more of cope that they are totally trans too. There is nothing to nonbinary than saying you are because no one including the non binaries themselves have frame of reference what a not woman or man actually looks like or what is expected socially or sexually from them. At best it's mix of male and female attributes but even they admit that tomboys and femboys exist.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming a "non binary body"would be one where the person looks "Sexless"?Even though I dont think there has ever been a human being in the world who was born sexless.(and no intersex doesn't count) I still dont know how people take non binary seriously when most of the people who identify as it have no problems connecting with people of either sex.For example, this one lesbian woman I know identifies as NB, and she clearly connects with lesbian women and is obsessed with yuri romance.Yet she's non binary because....she claims to be?

Don't forget "nullification" surgery where they remove the genitals entirely, which opens up a whole other can of worms as to whether it'd be considered FGM or not if done on a female in places where this is illegal. Though very few NBs would go that far, there was one on Reddit who did get such a surgery and even mentioned being sexually abused as a child, and that alone should be a giant red flag when it comes to anyone asking for any of these operations because mutilating yourself won't solve any of those problems.

And that's exactly what bothers me about NB too - the only qualifier is whether or not you choose to use the label, even though it has a "look" (edgy haircuts with bright colours, septum ring, cottagecore or otherwise "quirky" clothes) it's all really based on "because I say so", and I don't get why so few people are questioning it. All sorts of things are labelled as for "women and non binaries", and who's to say a manly mcmacho dude couldn't just claim the NB label to get an easy job, scholarship etc.? It needs to be questioned more but with gender as the current hot topic too many people are chickening out.

 

[Aunt Carol]

All sorts of things are labelled as for "women and non binaries", and who's to say a manly mcmacho dude couldn't just claim the NB label to get an easy job, scholarship etc.?

This happened recently with that women and NB tech expo.

Nonbinary has a big spectrum. You have the visibly troubled people who are having P-Orridge surgeries, teenagers who are just having teen angst OR want to fit in and are "NB" the way they used to be "bi," and then the people who are setting themselves up for a quiet place on the purity hierarchy or some male feminist consent accidents.

The fully adult women who do nothing but claim she/they, and otherwise are fully corporate-female presenting: those are the ones who can do the most damage. They know they've covered their bases, they know that non-enlightened people will still grant them more leeway than a he/they, and they have the manipulation skills that a teenage pooner or anyone DMAB can only dream of.

 

[Jacques1194]

Don't forget "nullification" surgery where they remove the genitals entirely, which opens up a whole other can of worms as to whether it'd be considered FGM or not if done on a female in places where this is illegal. Though very few NBs would go that far, there was one on Reddit who did get such a surgery and even mentioned being sexually abused as a child, and that alone should be a giant red flag when it comes to anyone asking for any of these operations because mutilating yourself won't solve any of those problems.

And that's exactly what bothers me about NB too - the only qualifier is whether or not you choose to use the label, even though it has a "look" (edgy haircuts with bright colours, septum ring, cottagecore or otherwise "quirky" clothes) it's all really based on "because I say so", and I don't get why so few people are questioning it. All sorts of things are labelled as for "women and non binaries", and who's to say a manly mcmacho dude couldn't just claim the NB label to get an easy job, scholarship etc.? It needs to be questioned more but with gender as the current hot topic too many people are chickening out.

Case in point right here.Nintendo introduces a non binary splatoon character named Acht, and here we see the definition itself is meaningless.If a non binary person can present "masculine" or "feminine" because there is no look then there's no point having the non binary label.Also I had to do some digging since i've never played the games.According to the wiki "They were once a normal Octoling, they entered the underground test facility and became sanitized, with few of their memories remaining.The process of sanitizing results in the Octarian losing all sense of free will, allowing them to be controlled similar to robots as seen with the dialogue from Sanitized Octolings. Marina notes that the sanitized Octarians appear to have no pulse or signs of life, making them similar to zombies." So we have something thats basically a zombie/robot and that makes non binary.

 

[stupid frog]

According to the wiki "They were once a normal Octoling, they entered the underground test facility and became sanitized, with few of their memories remaining.The process of sanitizing results in the Octarian losing all sense of free will, allowing them to be controlled similar to robots as seen with the dialogue from Sanitized Octolings. Marina notes that the sanitized Octarians appear to have no pulse or signs of life, making them similar to zombies." So we have something thats basically a zombie/robot and that makes non binary.

Sounds like tranny force fem shit to me.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

Case in point right here.Nintendo introduces a non binary splatoon character named Acht, and here we see the definition itself is meaningless.If a non binary person can present "masculine" or "feminine" because there is no look then there's no point having the non binary label.

Makes me want to know how the character is referred to in Japan, since while the concept of NB has been introduced there as "X-gender" it's only really a thing amongst the radical activist types who take inspiration from the west, androgyny has been a thing in Japanese culture forever but they never felt the need to make up a new label for it until the current year western influences started creeping their way in, an effeminate man is still a man, masculine woman is still a woman. Also kinda ironic considering Nintendo localisations in the past often turned effeminate male characters into females (Gracie and Saharah from Animal Crossing) and anything that could be interpreted as sexual was removed.

 

[TruffleSpark]

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[Larry David's Opera Cape]

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Tranners accidentally almost getting the point, I think.

 

[Jacques1194]

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Sounds like a woman who thought she was special because she was the only NB in her group until it started to become tready.Now she has to come up with a new identity to be even more special.That's how I'm reading it.

 

[Trombonista]

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"Being non-binary isn't cool anymore."