Null's Gambit - My attempt at getting Chris to talk openly

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As if these guys have 6000 bucks laying around. Or would, after paying for an expensive legal defense in another state.
You're assuming Wise and Boyd have that kinda money. I don't know much about them, but even if they're working and not on the tuggie, i don't see them having savings or making enough that garnishment would result in more than a dribble over time.
It'd probably involve the intersection between them and their families. Once it's in the system, I don't care anymore.
Or just teach them to extort Chris in a smarter way that leaves fewer tracks. Like, instead of having him ship things directly to their home address, give them cryptocurrency or gift cards. If these guys weren't totally indifferent to Chris having extensive personal information about them, we wouldn't even have names to go on.
I don't think Chris is a consistent target of extortionists. If he is, then I consider that out of my range of concerns.
Yeah, but more likely there won't be any type of legal action.
I disagree. I think it's a very solid maybe at this point.
That wouldn't even be the bigger problem. Turning that stuff over wouldn't be hard and I doubt Null has anything to hide. But Chris himself would be expected to testify, provide information as needed to the court and to the defense, etc. Good luck getting him to deal with that competently.
Subpoenaing Discord would make up the bulk of the case.
I’m pretty sure I’ve never said there isn’t criminality, what I have said is that it isn’t the slam dunk that you think it is. I do support you, and I’m just trying to help you look at this from all angles.
Nick Rekieta covered this all pretty well in his video.
His complaint isn't what I'm referring to in this instance. I'm referring to the follow-up that must take place before any DA is going to file a complaint with the clerk. It was the local sheriff Chris filed his complaint with, right? Before anything further is done, they'll need to do their own investigation to determine if a crime has actually taken place. Before this even gets to the DA. Same deal with federal authorities.
There's no strict rules requiring it to go through the police first. You can send complaints directly to the state attorney's office, for example. In some cases, you can file criminal charges yourself.

They'd contact the appropriate people to secure evidence as necessary.

That's going to be more likely and fruitful when you're dealing with cases that don't involve an IRL component like burglary.

It's not like they send donut munchers to investigate internet crime.
The short answer is because Chris is actively participating in the fantasy. There are multiple times when Wise asserts something and Chris says “nuh uh! It’s actually this way!”, creating doubt as to how much Chris’s arm is really being twisted. Guys do weirder things on the internet involving money. Yes I understand Chris has a diminished capacity.
I think Chris' diminished capacity is intentionally a matter of phrasing on your part. In the opposite direction (to Chris' benefit), Rob Bell referred to Chris as an "adult autistic child" in court.
If you want an echo chamber I’m happy to stay out of it.
My point is that this case is going to face scrutiny and it’s best to be prepared for it in advance. I understand this isn’t the kind of feedback you want so I’ll stay out of it.
The persecuted dissenter stuff is annoying. People aren't criticizing you because this you're offering an ugly truth no one wants to hear. It's because you're not offering anything interesting or anything we don't know.

Getting this successfully prosecuted will be a matter of legwork and politics. Not the merits of the case itself. Similar cases do successfully get prosecuted and the past court precedents are very clear that Chris' case checks all the necessary boxes. Weaker cases have been prosecuted.

Like I said, all that's missing is legwork and politics. Which admittedly we might not get. But nitpicking the details of the case itself is :late:.
 
You do realize it's literally the job of psychiatrists and psychologists to recognize crazy and talk to crazy people, right? They're the actual professionals in this shit, not us.
I followed up with a latter post, but I will clarify all my posts here.

Therapy only works if the patient is willing to change and accepts there is something to be addressed.

How will Chris react when confronted with ideas that challenge his world view? Chris might start ranting when confronted and while professionals are trained to handle such situations my main concern is facilitating the therapist's job by offering documentation so they are prepared to cut off Chris' tactics and speed along the process of separating fact from fiction, especially with Chris' tendency to appropriate other people's ideas as his own.

No decent therapist will accept information as-is, but cross checking such data with ongoing sessions they will be able to identify valid points and use them for the benefit of Chris, whether he likes it or not.
 
Except Chris has never committed a felony.

Chris has never been convicted of a felony. In large part because he had a lawyer.

Put each in a box. They will squeal to save themselves.

Or, more likely, they request counsel, which they are constitutionally entitled to, then their lawyer tells them not to say shit. Even an overworked public defender would tell them that much.
 
I have worked in a capacity where I was a mandatory reporter and to some extent have worked with vulnerable adults and children with various disabilities.

A) The psychologist can listen to anybody who wants to express their concerns about Chris and can even ask questions, they just can't (and shouldn't) give any information about him. There is nothing in regards to patient confidentiality that prevents them from reading a letter.

B) They are a mandatory reporter, so they are required to take action in response to key phrases like "financial and sexual exploitation of a vulnerable adult".

I think it would be very beneficial to either ask Chris for the therapist's contact information or ask him to deliver a letter stating the facts as clearly as possible because this would be Chris's best shot at a real professional advocate.
 
I'm not entirely up to date on CWC, but is this therapist the same as the counselor that gave you the brush off?
I'd suggest asking CWC for the email of his therapist/helper and writing a long email documenting the concerns that have arisen from his internet life and now put his entire life/house at risk.
This may be the best way to go, i understand confidentiality concerns means you mightn't get answers but hopefully the therapist looks over your emails / evidence and can quickly determine a problem without having to wade though ranting, confusion of people / time / events, etc. Maybe it CWC will give the therapist permission to talk to you, however i also think you should inform CWC beforehand if you take this action so they don't take it as a betrayal of trust.

Godspeed null, at least you're trying
 
Or, more likely, they request counsel, which they are constitutionally entitled to, then their lawyer tells them not to say shit. Even an overworked public defender would tell them that much.
And their lawyer will quickly deduce they're fucked and start asking for a plea deal by giving information about the other.

Bottom line, put either tard in the box and you have a witness.
 
And their lawyer will quickly deduce they're fucked and start asking for a plea deal by giving information about the other.

Bottom line, put either tard in the box and you have a witness.
@Null is there any angle on the Canadian guy? Obviously he's not going to be extradited to the US on cyberbulling charges, but is there any weight that can be applied?
 
And their lawyer will quickly deduce they're fucked and start asking for a plea deal by giving information about the other.

Bottom line, put either tard in the box and you have a witness.

Look, even if you have one of them completely dead-to-rights, with his 'friend' snitching on him, this isn't trial of the century shit. A remotely competent lawyer is going to make sure nobody spends a day in jail. Courts (and prosecutors) have their own incentives for offering plea deals, namely the fact that trials are expensive and time-consuming. One or both of the geniuses plead out to a lesser charge to avoid being hit with the big guns, they get probation, the end.
 
Look, even if you have one of them completely dead-to-rights, with his 'friend' snitching on him, this isn't trial of the century shit. A remotely competent lawyer is going to make sure nobody spends a day in jail. Courts (and prosecutors) have their own incentives for offering plea deals, namely the fact that trials are expensive and time-consuming. One or both of the geniuses plead out to a lesser charge to avoid being hit with the big guns, they get probation, the end.
If Ralph goes to jail for 6 months for punching a police officer, they can get jail time for aggressive extorting a handicapped man over the course of months and encouraging him to inflict violent physical harm on his mother.

You've been here for fucking years and are consistently one of the least likeable people on this board, which is saying a fucking lot. I know it hurts your heart to see other a-logs in trouble but I might just have my way on this one fam.
 
If Ralph goes to jail for 6 months for punching a police officer, they can get jail time for aggressive extorting a handicapped man over the course of months and encouraging him to inflict violent physical harm on his mother.

You obviously have no legal perspective if you think assaulting a police officer is remotely comparable to getting a stupid person on the internet with a long history of doing stupid shit to do more stupid shit.

You've been here for fucking years and are consistently one of the least likeable people on this board, which is saying a fucking lot. I know it hurts your heart to see other a-logs in trouble but I might just have my way on this one fam.

Great. God bless you if you manage to make anything of this. But the smart money would be nothing whatsoever happens.
 
You obviously have no legal perspective if you think assaulting a police officer is remotely comparable to getting a stupid person on the internet with a long history of doing stupid shit to do more stupid shit.
I don't think you understand the distinction between stupid shit and certifiably, easily recognized criminality. They didn't get Chris to do stupid shit. They got him to give them money in exchange for waiving a threat.

I'm sure at this point this information is understood and you just don't want to digest it so I have nothing more to say.
 
"Christian, how much did it cost to you to get rid of the influence of those Boyd and Wise guys over your mind, your money and CWCville?"

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I have a really hard time understanding how people are equating "An autistic man makes stupid videos kissing a blowup doll for a fake girlfriend" to "Two fuckwits convince an autistic man to punch himself and send them 6k with the threat of both physical and "metaphysical" harm."
If all they had done was pelt him with their shitty roleplay, you'd likely be right There wouldn't be shit to investigate, there'd just be idiots to ridicule. But there's more, there's a forced assault of his mother, there's a forced assault of himself, there's money involved, there's blackmail involved.

While I understanding being concerned that maybe the cards won't fall how we want, how anyone can go "this is just more stupid shit from a stupid guy" makes no fucking sense.
 
You do realize it's literally the job of psychiatrists and psychologists to recognize crazy and talk to crazy people, right? They're the actual professionals in this shit, not us.
I don’t see what a trained professional with years of experience could do for Chris that a community that archives and discusses the lives of nazis that poop on their stuffed animals after fucking them can’t.
A remotely competent lawyer is going to make sure nobody spends a day in jail. Courts (and prosecutors) have their own incentives for offering plea deals, namely the fact that trials are expensive and time-consuming. One or both of the geniuses plead out to a lesser charge to avoid being hit with the big guns, they get probation, the end.
Even if that’s exactly what happens it’s still better than nothing.
 
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1. Null, you're a saint
2. A grown man eating ceareal, coloring all day and sperging about imaginary characters is obviously insane.
That's all I know or care to know at this point.
Chris talking about the grand galloping gala being magical because Magi-Chan was his "boduguard" is creepy as fuck, though. TBPH
 
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