Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread

[Justa Grata Honoria]

I want a ladies opinion: What was the genesis of the incel movent? It just seems like a collection of men overly happy to discuss being unhappy with women and circle-jerking over a collective hate for something that they claim lust after. I have my 2 cents but I want the woman's view of why and how it gained momentum?

Honestly it was started by a lonely women but even before there was various incel lite books like no more mister nice guy that sold proto red pill shit. I think roosh v and return of the king wrote a lot of what teenagers would write i remember scroling through it in the early 2010s . Roosh spearheaded the passport bro movement writing something like a 15 year old at peak of their women are icky period would write rape included. That was until roosh got cheated and dumped by his ex and saw god somewhere and shut down his forums

But x- ers are to blame advocating for not tying yourself to one woman and made women asking questions why are we actually bothering with these men and it went downhill from there .

Btw x ers anthem :

https://youtu.be/uR4WFPa6xuI?si=Ji6R1-bHSwKAzP-y

 

[AbyssStarer]

I hate when moids online pretend they wouldn't stick their piss rods in any willing woman, as if they're not putting it in sandwiches when nobody else is home. We all know you lot have no standards and if you want to change that maybe stop acting like it.

I'm really convinced the moids posting in female lolcow threads who have porn in them are jerking it to the pics and posting "fat and would not sex" to make themselves feel better.
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Post quality on mid-sized threads has taken a nosedive. There used to always be a "fat" here and there but now those nontent messages are eating up pages and I don't have the will to wade through any of it. It's just moids with main character syndrome thinking they have the uniquely based take that needs to be shared despite being the same shit as what 5 other idiots said. Fat, would not smash, imagine the smell, holy shit, imagine my surprise, fucking vile, how bad things really are etc etc etc. How can you not be sick of these noncontributive garbage posts if you're not an NPC? I wonder how many pages would turn up if I put "fucking vile" in Jack Scalfani's thread.

I'm going back and looking at pic threads from the beginning again, the new shit is no better than Tatebro Twitter memes. Terminally uninteresting, stuffed with negativity and preachy.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

I want a ladies opinion: What was the genesis of the incel movent? It just seems like a collection of men overly happy to discuss being unhappy with women and circle-jerking over a collective hate for something that they claim lust after. I have my 2 cents but I want the woman's view of why and how it gained momentum?

It's because those with narcissistic and/or paranoid and various asocial disorders (men make up about 75% of cases) found a place where to congregate (somewhere on the internet) You know there can't be anything done with those except using them as kannonenfutter, they are irreparable, that's what is a mental disorder about. And they started to making up theories. In the same time, people living in the urban hells like those in the US and under corporativism lost their places for healthy socialization and covid games sealed the deal. Now even those remotely normal see they have no future and through the manosfere vids found someone to blame (women).

Also there is a theory about history repeating itself (there is a big war about every 75 years), which is about the lifespan of contemporary human.
You see the surge in violence and woman hating, that means there is too many useless and violent men roaming around aimlessly, because the society has no effective mechanism against those, and the solution to get rid of them is (as usual), unfortunately, another war that inevitably comes. The afterwar times always came with certain problems, but also with certain freedom, because there suddenly wasn't that many moids to terrorize other people.
You've likely already heard the theory about the violent male monkeys that fought off any other that tried to eat beef carcasses, and then they died to bovine tuberculosis. And the rest of the local population was much better off without them. It's just like that and those men aren't any better.

 

[std::string]

before there was various incel lite books like no more mister nice guy that sold proto red pill shit.

Yeah this was when it really started to take off.

Around the late 2000s you had like three sort of disparate things going on

1. /r/niceguys, where men just kinda assumed if they did some emotional labor they'd be rewarded with sex but then that never happened and they got mad.
2. Pickup artist shit, with negging and peacocking and THE DOOR. This sort of stuff had always been around since the 70s but now we have a bunch of disaffected young men treating it as the one weird trick to make women have sex with you (and also possibly trap them in an abusive relationship)
3. MRA stuff, where women are actually just cruel harpies that will steal your sperm then falsely accuse you of rape and then the biased legal system will give her all of your money and now you'll pay child support for approximately three thousand years.

Thanks to a unique blend of male retardation and spending way too much fucking time on the internet, they all merged together and created your average Kiwi Farms poster.

 

[Internet Wizard]

men will line up for crazy bpd whores because they love that those insane women are broken and willing to degrade themselves for the moid at the start of the relationship

I know this is an insane necro but I was thinking abt this earlier and wondered if it was posted already. It's a truly vile trend
The "I can fix her" mentality goes deeper than sex, at a fundamental level they see these women as broken like you said - but they treat "fixing her" like a project car, thinking that by being more mentally healthy (in their view) they will help her overcome whatever mental problems she has. Basically, they will act like a caretaker superficially to get what they want out of her - total emotional attachment or limerance.
They see mentally ill women are defective and disfunctional, and they will never love them for who they are but they will surely exploit their vulnerabilities to exert control. It would be like if a guy dated an amputee with the goal of giving her her legs back eventually, pretending to like her for who she is but wanting it to eventually go back to "normal". Of course, when they realize that you can't just fuck the BPD/Schizophrenia/Depression/etc. out of someone, they begin to freak out and ditch her as their little project doesn't go anywhere. They'll never take responsibility for this as they, like the rest of society, will always paint the mentally ill as the manipulative ones in any situation, and see being with her as "dragging him down".
Edit: They also have a romanticized image of what mentally ill girls are like, which is almost entirely sexual. They freak out when these girls in reality struggle with basic tasks, have messy rooms or actually begin to show the severity of their symptoms elsewhere (in a way that doesn't make their dicks hard ofc). They go in expecting an edgy, slightly pick-me sex toy who doesn't actually have anything seriously wrong but is just quirkly lolol

When they called Aphrodite high cheekbones male coded, even though high cheekbones are considered highly feminine in europe

You think they give a fuck? Their brains are absolutely cooked from Jap coombait, they literally can't perceive anything feminine that isn't meant to be an immediately arousing sexual ideal
Ofc since these are gamers too they have never been outside nor have they seen a (biological) woman other than their mom

 

[Vibromatic Heart Bed]

I want a ladies opinion: What was the genesis of the incel movent? It just seems like a collection of men overly happy to discuss being unhappy with women and circle-jerking over a collective hate for something that they claim lust after. I have my 2 cents but I want the woman's view of why and how it gained momentum?

Back in the early 2010's there were subreddits like r/foreveralone where people just commiserated about their bad luck in dating, the struggles of being invisible to the opposite sex and being lonely for long periods of time. I remember there being some decent discussions and of course the fun "advice animals" memes, it was honestly kinda validating to be a part of that community. It was a bit circle-jerky though, not a ton of discussions about self improvement, but at least there wasn't any outright woman hate (at least in the beginning) and people didn't even really self-identify as "incels". But over time the males became more hostile, they screeched about how women couldn't possibly be lonely (cause we have SoOoOoO many options am i right??!) alienating the women who eventually had to branch off into their own subreddits like r/foreveralonewomen (which later evolved into subreddits focused on hobbies, self-improvement, and female dating strategy). With men in sequestered in their little echo chambers, they became more and more angry and mentally ill. Then they figured out they could scam vulnerable women into casual sex. It all went downhill from there.

 

[Totallyunknown]

I dated a MGTOW that introduced me to inceldom before I understood the concept around 2016. I was moderately aware of people like Elliot Rodgers beforehand but did not understand that the views my ex espoused were coming from a "movement" versus how he typically actually behaved. This is why I could, at the time, justify some of it because it sounded like ironic shit talking as he did not seem to actively treat women in his life as lesser than. I don't think he would ever consider calling his own mother a whore and for all he did say to her, I never heard him say things like that to the authoritative women in his life.

But he continued to proclaim certain things like men should never marry due to divorce rape, that certain problems in life were due to you being a woman and if you were a man you'd have the skill by default. He was severely extremely porn addicted and if I could see his shit now, I absolutely believe he was headed down the troon pipeline because of his addiction. He would already say things like the hottest thing he could imagine is being a small blonde girl getting rammed by a big man but that he imagines himself as the small blonde. He was 6'3 and nearly 250lbs. He would cruise Grindr to set up meetings with men that in my time with him he did not have the time to actually go and do unless he left me alone in his mother's house in the middle of the night completely unnoticed which is very slim chance of happening. Perhaps it did but mostly he had a lot of fantasies. Eventually during a drunken black out, he talked about wanting to fuck his dead girlfriends corpse. The actual dead body.

I believe this guy was on the extreme end and that I'm pretty sure at least 50% of men wouldn't fuck a corpse by human nature telling them not to biologically but once we broke up I realized he was not unique in his ways at all and that there are more men like him than you'd ever want to believe. That was my black pill moment - when I realized my shitty ex was just a shitty MGTOW MRA incel with a porn addiction. It wasn't just oh thank God I got away from that - now I knew it really could happen again, and again, and again.

(I did not have a fully formed adult brain in this situation and am no longer in that situation so I realize I am partially to blame for my own suffering for sticking around long enough to know these degenerate things. As an adult, I would never subject myself to that again.)

 

[Petronella]

I remember some of this stuff getting started in the late 2000s and early 2010s. I knew guys who started complaining about the Friend Zone, and it made late teens/early 20s Petronella pretty sad, because I realized some of these guys who I'd thought of as friends were admitting they felt like "only" being my friend was their consolation prize for not getting to fuck me.
What was also really frustrating back then was, I was trying to meet a decent guy but kept finding dudes who were only interested in sex, not a legitimate relationship. But I couldn't talk to these guys about it unless I wanted to hear a lecture about how women live life on Easy Mode when it comes to dating. (They also would parrot that shit about "If you're trying to find a good man, just take a look at all the men you've left in the Friend Zone!" But if I'd try to approach them, they'd tell me they were only interested in sex lmao)

 

[isalaide]

I realize I am partially to blame

You quit that right now, lady.

We can all identify situations where we can say: I wish I had protected myself and walked away sooner.

That never, ever, justifies someone else's mistreatment of us. It does not shift the blame. The blame for being a wanker remains with the wanker.

When we blame ourselves for someone's cuntish behaviour towards us, we relieve them of the moral responsibility for not being cuntish.

You are not to blame. I regret with you that you didn't quit town sooner, but don't blame yourself for how he was. You might want to think about how you got hooked into that dynamic though. Feeling you needed to take care of him?

 

[Hassou Tobi]

I think a lot of incel stuff is economic. Lost men without jobs or purpose in life. Used to be a blue collar man could get a job doing physical labor and work off a lot of aggression that way and have some sort of purpose in life. Now there's just a lot of lost men like people have written about. I don't think it's a coincidence a lot of this stuff started really fermenting around 2008.

https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/education-and-men-without-work

"At this writing, nearly 7 million civilian non-institutionalized men between the ages of 25 and 54 are neither working nor looking for work — over four times as many as are formally unemployed. Between 1965 and 2015, the percentage of prime-age U.S. men not in the labor force shot up from 3.3% to 11.7%."

It's also the Internet. Social media like people have written about above but also easy access to porn and cooming. I bet if in order to see naked women and coom you had to have a job and socialize at a reasonable level, more men would be doing that.

Obviously this is only a part of it though.

--
Also I've long thought people on this site pretending pooners are just as bad and perverted as troons are on one.

 

[Sun Sucker]

If you told me that 4chan was a psyop to turn every lonely teenage incel gay I'd believe it.

"Women will never be interested in you until she's done riding the cock carousel, and even then it's only because she wants to spermjack you and lock you into one thousand years of child support. Young man, avoid all that by getting yourself a based femboy that'll play video games and watch your favorite animes with you!"

Ingested night after night browsing 4chan until they're completely fucked in the head.

I met one of the Patient Zeros of this affliction years ago, back in 2017. A guy from Northern Europe, let's call him Pete, that hadn't the best luck with social skills or looks, whom I tolerated for reasons having to do with youth and inexperience; who genuinely believed that trans women were better than women "because they are men in women's bodies therefore capable of understanding men in a way women are incapable of". Very much Count Dankula "cis women make sucking your dick look like a chore, trannies worship your dick" thinking. Pete was a chaser, if that wasn't obvious enough, and would gleefully tell me about his fetishes concerning rape and forced feminization when the topic came to talking about anything slightly concerning sexual intimacy.

You know, I try not to think about that time. Now that I'm writing about it though, I realize that was truly a core moment that opened my eyes to how easily men's conceptions about women can be subject to change. For all the man hate in this thread, never once have I ever seen anyone argue that "pooners are better than men because they're women in man-makeup, giving them an inherent advantage of being able to understand women better".

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

I don't really tend to see the real sort of 'men's rights'-y types any more. They used to be a lot more ubiquitous online, back in the day. I suspect most of them have trooned out now.

 

[Tutu]

I don't really tend to see the real sort of 'men's rights'-y types any more. They used to be a lot more ubiquitous online, back in the day. I suspect most of them have trooned out now.

They all died from sucking too much cock

 

[Petronella]

I don't really tend to see the real sort of 'men's rights'-y types any more. They used to be a lot more ubiquitous online, back in the day. I suspect most of them have trooned out now.

The issue I see is that they've shifted the meaning of what "men's rights" actually are.

It started off as men advocating for fair treatment for men in divorces and custody disputes, speaking up for male victims of domestic violence or sexual assault, encouraging people to take men's mental health issues seriously and seek out professional help rather than trying to be macho, things like that.

Nowadays "men's rights" have become things like screeching that it's "divorce rape" if you're asked to give your ex a single cent, or calling for making paternity tests mandatory because all women cheat and try to trick men into supporting someone else's child.

 

[Thé au lait]

For all the man hate in this thread, never once have I ever seen anyone argue that "pooners are better than men because they're women in man-makeup, giving them an inherent advantage of being able to understand women better".

It does actually exist, but even the people who feel that way are generally afraid to say it out loud because 1 you'd basically be coming out and 2 men get very mad

 

[Tutu]

I want a ladies opinion: What was the genesis of the incel movent? It just seems like a collection of men overly happy to discuss being unhappy with women and circle-jerking over a collective hate for something that they claim lust after. I have my 2 cents but I want the woman's view of why and how it gained momentum?

Moids who can't attract anyone because they are just that subhuman have always existed since the dawn of time but humans in history had bigger problems than the luxury of pondering >tfw no gf, they were too busy with survival needs. Back in the day, ugly men would have been cannon fodder, slaves, monks, eunuchs, in arranged marriages that only create even more heavily inbred incels. Some of these scrotes who were supposed to die alone resorted to various copes to be able to reproduce, forcing themselves on women (India and China being the most infamous culprits of this "fighting hypergamy" phenomenon and we see how that aged for them). Now, their descendants are malding on the internet because their existence itself was a mistake that goes against the natural order. Of course you are suffering, you should have never been born. Blame your sub-Chad ancestors who felt worthy of having children.

 

[Totallyunknown]

You are not to blame. I regret with you that you didn't quit town sooner, but don't blame yourself for how he was. You might want to think about how you got hooked into that dynamic though. Feeling you needed to take care of him?

Appreciate the kind words, fren.

I've spoken about my parental relationships on here and my time with my ex was a direct result of an extremely bad childhood and loss of self. I did not want to exist so even as I became aware of the toxic behavior that eventually became regular abuse, I was almost okay with it because it validated how I felt about myself which fueled the fire that I was hoping would eventually lead to me killing myself. I essentially used this sort of rhetoric to make myself feel worthless and allowed myself to be in consensual but awful situations. I don't do drugs or drink, nor have I ever slept around, so my drug of choice was a singular toxic man who caused so much damage from the PTSD that I couldn't even work or go to school for almost six months after our five year relationship.

I realize what I did to myself and I did do this to myself - I wasn't coerced and at no point did I ever need to question is this okay because I knew it was not. But if I didn't kill me - maybe he would? Our relationship officially ended when I failed to kill myself and I decided if it didn't work then, I guess I'm sticking around for awhile and if I am, I can't do it with the guy that makes me want to die.

I suppose I have an acute fear of coming across this again in a partner because it is my self destruction button. If I don't immediately call out, I might listen to it. And it might start cycling in my brain and I might start justifying why it's okay for me to kill myself. But I've grown a lot since then and heard it all before so it's become water off a ducks back and if I kill myself, it'll probably be for a better reason than perceived value as a woman.

I am sharing this with the knowledge I'm on KF but that this thread is extremely valuable and has been valuable to me as someone who uses this language as a form of self harm. It's extremely important to hear and see dissenting opinions. It's extremely important to hear the stories and personal trials of real uncensored women. I don't have that in my life, nor have I ever had a strong female role model and perhaps that also contributed to where I ended up.

I sometimes come hear to sound off on my personal experiences because I have no where else to do it and even with the men seething with rabies foam at the sidelines waiting to use every bit of info shared - doesn't matter. I've done it for months and no one has been upset at me ITT. So thank you ladies of KF, it is better therapy than I've ever gotten anywhere else.

(thus, why I tend to post a lot in this thread VS elsewhere, but unlike some - I try to keep my rhetoric to where it belongs and tread lightly when I share)

 

[I'm a Silly]

steal your sperm

vile trend

they begin to freak out and ditch her as their little project doesn't go anywhere. They'll never take responsibility for this as they, like the rest of society, will always paint the mentally ill as the manipulative ones in any situation, and see being with her as "dragging him down".

-- a.k.a. the Sam Hyde playbook

Back in the early 2010's there were subreddits like r/foreveralone where people just commiserated about their bad luck in dating, the struggles of being invisible to the opposite sex and being lonely for long periods of time. I remember there being some decent discussions and of course the fun "advice animals" memes, it was honestly kinda validating to be a part of that community. It was a bit circle-jerky though, not a ton of discussions about self improvement, but at least there wasn't any outright woman hate (at least in the beginning) and people didn't even really self-identify as "incels". But over time the males became more hostile, they screeched about how women couldn't possibly be lonely (cause we have SoOoOoO many options am i right??!) alienating the women who eventually had to branch off into their own subreddits like r/foreveralonewomen (which later evolved into subreddits focused on hobbies, self-improvement, and female dating strategy). With men in sequestered in their little echo chambers, they became more and more angry and mentally ill. Then they figured out they could scam vulnerable women into casual sex. It all went downhill from there.

You know how ROGD is a social contagion? The Rapid Onset part of Gender Dysphoria happens because of the Internet.
The Internet was the gay bomb after all.
One of you guys said it or something really close to that earlier, but the thing is: none of the gender shit is accidental. Deep pockets are highly invested in keeping the gender train rolling, and since the spook access port known as the Internet has been flooding social media with gay ops all along, it should be no surprise that sometimes the little community art projects are literal gay ops. The congress critters can't wait to cash in as lobbyists between getting voted out and retiring, so that's all one needs to further enmesh pharmabux with governance.
Push some angry crybabies to hate wahmen, flood them with sissy hypno/grooming/better living through chemistry, and watch the income streams grow.
I realize that was a long version of typing "Hegelian Dialect."

new topic, men still shitty; the more you know, the worse it gets

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

Woman posts video where she says she is happy being single and not the end of the world if you end up single

Men : hag alert, billions must die, its a cry for help

Link to these hilarious posts where men seeth that women move along without them

https://x.com/signulll/status/1811019020629381217

 

[soft breathing]

Things men do that make me want to violently throw up into their faces - a small list, because I'm in the mood to rant:

- Give me unsolicited pet names. I have a first and last name. Use it.
- Comment on my height, using it to degrade me or make my arguments invalid.
- Doing the whole "you don't have to be a bitch" or "stop being hysterical" when I'm objectively criticising them.
- Saying shit like "it makes me all giddy and nervous when you turn all authoritarian like that, haha" when I'm actually getting louder with them or someone else.
- Asking me anything related to my partner in this weird-ass mock-voice of theirs. "Does your partner approve of this?" or "Your partner tolerates behaviour like that?" when I'm doing something they're not approving of. Fucking hell, keep his name out of your mouth, asshole.
- Whenever I'm not good at something. "Oh, I bet you're better at otherrrrr things, huh?" Fucking fuck off.
- (Try to) touch/hug me without my consent. Don't you fucking dare.

Feel free to add more points to the list. We could turn this into a "male bullshit bingo game" an see how long it takes for a fucking row to fill up.