Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate & Woman-Hate Thread-Hate Thread

[Dyn]

I'm not trying to demonise men for finding a 16-year-old attractive when she's all dolled up to sneak into a nightclub and looks five years older than she is, that's perfectly understandable, but if you're eyefucking 14-year-olds in school uniforms you're a sick predator and should be politely disinvited from society.

 

[AgendaPoster]

I'm not referencing her. I'm actually referencing this other mong who was responding in kind to the comment that you had made, which pissed me off.

Yeah but I was specifically addressing her claims.
It's obvious that one cannot expect to coldly discuss more taboo subjects here, but that's fine. Meanwhile, there is well established science on attraction and its mechanisms, which are often involuntary. Humans have developed what is called the neocortex to specifically inhibit behaviors. But those behaviors and reactions to stimuli are still there, just inhibited.
For example, the measurement for males is done through exposure to stimuli in a controlled environment and penile plethysmography, feel free to google it. There are other methods too.
The law is necessary and is one thing.
Biology and physiology are a matter of descriptive science, not opinion.

 

[Android raptor]

I'm not referencing her. I'm actually referencing this other mong who was responding in kind to the comment that you had made, which pissed me off.

Adult men who are sexually attracted to adolescent girls are pedophiles, plain and simple. I'm not sure where discussion of similarly-aged teens being attracted to each other is coming from, because that's not the issue here. It's girls, sometimes as young as 3rd or 4th grade, getting creeped on by men usually old enough to be their dads or grandfathers.

Adult men being attracted to minor girls is pedophilia, and it is inexcusable.

Yeah but I was specifically addressing her claims.
It's obvious that one cannot expect to coldly discuss more taboo subjects here, but that's fine. Meanwhile, there is well established science on attraction and its mechanisms, which are often involuntary. Humans have developed what is called the neocortex to specifically inhibit behaviors. But those behaviors and reactions to stimuli are still there, just inhibited.
For example, the measurement for males is done through exposure to stimuli in a controlled environment and penile plethysmography, feel free to google it. There are other methods too.
The law is necessary and is one thing.
Biology and physiology are a matter of descriptive science, not opinion.

Are you trying to say that all males are pedophiles because biology?

 

[dvnc]

Yeah but I was specifically addressing her claims.

And I'm addressing you.

You can science babble all you want, but I'm telling you that what you said in that thread was incredibly fucking shitty and lacked any reflection on your part. As proven by that faggot who immediately defended the men doing the creeper shit.

Like I said in another thread: We don't have control over our bodies when they choose to mature, and to hand wave it away with this science bullshit completely negates any consideration of us who were 10 years old and having to wear over sized clothes/guys clothes to cover ourselves from a man's complete lack of self control.

It was shitty of you to say.

 

[AgendaPoster]

And I'm addressing you.

You can science babble all you want, but I'm telling you that what you said in that thread was incredibly fucking shitty and lacked any reflection on your part. As proven by that faggot who immediately defended the men doing the creeper shit.

Like I said in another thread: We don't have control over our bodies when they choose to mature, and to hand wave it away with this science bullshit completely negates any consideration of us who were 10 years old and having to wear over sized clothes/guys clothes to cover ourselves from a man's complete lack of self control.

It was shitty of you to say.

I can be pretty shitty when people want to escape reality so things are more convenient for them.
Reality is a huge mess, and if you want to improve on things, you first must be accurate and tell the truth.
I'm with you on keeping adults males away from adolescent, young women. Every father understands that very well. But I also am unwilling to deny the reasons of such behaviors or lie.
I don't really see the problem here. I also don't have control over what other forum users think. What they think also changes nothing. Science should always be leagues above personal experiences and emotions, which should really not constitute a basis for discussion.
And sometimes science has to explore very controversial and taboo territory. I would love for that to happen without people sperging out and getting triggered.

 

[dvnc]

I'm with you on keeping adults males away from adolescent, young women.

Good. That's all that matters, then.

But I also am unwilling to deny the reasons of such behaviors or lie.

There's a difference between denying and excusing it.

Science should always be leagues above personal experiences and emotions, which should really not constitute a basis for discussion.

Respectfully I have to hard disagree. Discourse is borne primarily via debate which is tied directly to emotion.

I would love for that to happen without people sperging out and getting triggered.

You forget where you are sometimes, huh. : )

 

[AgendaPoster]

Respectfully I have to hard disagree. Discourse is borne primarily via debate which is tied directly to emotion.

Yes, there is inherent emotion, but remember that neocortex thing?
Each of us has to use it to consciously impede these highly volatile feelings from taking over. When the mind clears, you can do a bit of reason, which tends to be useful.
There's a place for emotions for sure, but when we try to describe the world, or find how our bodies work, it's best that you set them aside some, keep a sane set of ethics so you cause no harm, and dive in for data.

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

Do you like Corvus Corax or Therion?

Both are fine, but I never got spergy about them, so don't have a lot of comment besides I listened to them and it was alright.

 

[dvnc]

Each of us has to use it to consciously impede these highly volatile feelings from taking over. When the mind clears, you can do a bit of reason, which tends to be useful.

Okay, how do you want me to reason out this post:

The biggest pull for me is that you FELT (note: emotion) that there was some need to treat us in a special way when it's just basic common sense (note: Neuroscience) to recoil from the very concept of an adult man ogling girls.

It starts happening when they grow tits. My first GF was at 13, she was 15. Sex at 14.
Obviously older men will notice the growing girls just as the adolescent men do.
We already have laws against rape and for age of consent. Romeo and Juliet laws too.
I fail to see what's the commotion here and why are we supposed to treat women in any special way just because biology is a thing.

 

[Android raptor]

I can be pretty shitty when people want to escape reality so things are more convenient for them.
Reality is a huge mess, and if you want to improve on things, you first must be accurate and tell the truth.
I'm with you on keeping adults males away from adolescent, young women. Every father understands that very well. But I also am unwilling to deny the reasons of such behaviors or lie.
I don't really see the problem here. I also don't have control over what other forum users think. What they think also changes nothing. Science should always be leagues above personal experiences and emotions, which should really not constitute a basis for discussion.
And sometimes science has to explore very controversial and taboo territory. I would love for that to happen without people sperging out and getting triggered.

Again, are are trying to say adult men being pedophiles is normal because science?

 

[Dr. Kinder]

These stupid fucking cunts choose boyfriends who beat them, and then we're supposed to feel bad for them? Dumb bitch, you picked him. Enjoy your black eyes. Enjoy prison. Your life is already over.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Again, are are trying to say adult men being pedophiles is normal because science?

You're too personally involved and you're misusing terms, so I don't think you're able to have a calm discussion about these subjects.
I'll leave you some hints. Just try to read a bit more, both about the law, the requirements for convictions, and well as the medical diagnosis procedure.
Paraphilias by definition are abnormal, but since you're using your own emotional definition which is incorrect, you are reaching stupid conclusions.

 

[Android raptor]

You're too personally involved and you're misusing terms, so I don't think you're able to have a calm discussion about these subjects.
I'll leave you some hints. Just try to read a bit more, both about the law, the requirements for convictions, and well as the medical diagnosis procedure.
Paraphilias by definition are abnormal, but since you're using your own emotional definition which is incorrect, you are reaching stupid conclusions.
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Are you really pulling the "um ackchually it's technically hebephilia not pedophilia" card?

Would you not count a man perving on a 9 year old as pedophilia if she's started puberty?

 

[Dyn]

Would you not count a man perving on a 9 year old as pedophilia if she's started puberty?

I mean, it's technically not but I'm still perfectly comfortable with using 'pedophile' as a colloquial term for somebody who eyefucks a 14-year-old girl, and I'm pretty confident that the rest of polite society agrees with me.

The whole hebephila vs pedophilia shit is a perfectly valid debate when you're arguing with like, a clinical psychiatric diagnosis, but it's nothing but a screaming red flag anywhere else.

 

[Android raptor]

I mean, it's technically not but I'm still perfectly comfortable with using 'pedophile' as a colloquial term for somebody who eyefucks a 14-year-old girl, and I'm pretty confident that the rest of polite society agrees with me.

The whole hebephila vs pedophilia shit is a perfectly valid debate when you're arguing with like, a clinical psychiatric diagnosis, but it's nothing but a screaming red flag anywhere else.

Yeah, the only people I've seen splitting hairs on random internet forums about whether adults preying on adolescents is hebephilia or pedophilia are the types of people you wouldn't want kids to be alone with.

Speaking of

If you knew teen girls "in relationships" with men in their upper 20s and 30s, congrats, you knew girls who were groomed and molested by predatory adults and pedophiles.

Whole post is basically a red flag convention.

I don't know about anyone else, but when I was 14 I sure as fuck wasn't dressing like a prostitute and "having relationships" with adult married men.

 

[Kalsarikännit]

Funny how according to this discussion the only victims of pedophilia are women. Neat.

 

[Dyn]

If you knew teen girls "in relationships" with men in their upper 20s and 30s, congrats, you knew girls who were groomed and molested by predatory adults and pedophiles.

Whole post is basically a red flag convention.

I don't know about anyone else, but when I was 14 I sure as fuck wasn't dressing like a prostitute and "having relationships" with adult married men.

From my experience he's not actually wrong, it wasn't universal by any means but I also remember a hell of a lot of that stuff going on. The difference is that I don't look back at it now as a grown-assed adult male and think "Therefore it's okay to want to fuck kids".

Funny how according to this discussion the only victims of pedophilia are women. Neat.

We were specifically talking about very young teenagers being openly leered at by adults in public, which I don't believe is something that happens often to little boys. But little boys are definitely the victims of pedophilia quite often, and if you have personal trauma you want to talk about in regards to that I'd be happy to listen without immediately jumping to the defense of whoever hurt you.

 

[AgendaPoster]

If you knew teen girls "in relationships" with men in their upper 20s and 30s, congrats, you knew girls who were groomed and molested by predatory adults and pedophiles.

You are so naive and childish that it's not worth the time talking to you. You obviously grew in some pearl clutching ultra-conservative American shithole or w/e and have not mingled with people of your age that were sexually active, likely because you were an outcast.
The girls I am talking about were not even remotely groomed. They literally planned on seducing older guys and they did it as a game of sorts, keeping tabs on their successes.
It was a validation of their newly acquired woman status. In fact, being a seductive ho was the top of the social pyramid when I was in highschool. Most beautiful girls did not even bother noticing boys their age, they always looked for mobster types, with cars and apartments.

The difference is that I don't look back at it now as a grown-assed adult male and think "Therefore it's okay to want to fuck kids".

Who is doing that?

 

[Kalsarikännit]

Who is doing that?

No one. No one is doing that. Just like preteen boys don't take a middle-aged woman's "Oh aren't you such a handsome young man" as a sexual advancement. Remember, we're not talking about actual molestation, we're talking about the concept of "eye-fucking", and IMO that above example SHOULD fit your definition if you believe the latter is a huge problem.

 

[GunCar Gary]

We were specifically talking about very young teenagers being openly leered at by adults in public, which I don't believe is something that happens often to little boys.

i take it you’ve never been to a furry convention, youth pastor group, LGBT support group, or other places predatory gay men like to hang out