Science One in four who had Pfizer Covid jabs experienced unintended immune response - lol

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More than a quarter of people injected with mRNA Covid jabs suffered an unintended immune response created by a glitch in the way the vaccine was read by the body, a study has found.

No adverse effects were created by the error, data show, but Cambridge scientists found such vaccines were not perfect and sometimes led to nonsense proteins being made instead of the desired Covid “spike”, which mimics infection and leads to antibody production.

mRNA jabs, such as the ones created by Moderna and Pfizer, use a string of genetic material to tell the body to create a specific protein that safely imitates an infection.

Research in the field, spanning decades, had been slow work. It often stalled because RNA itself is often attacked by the body as a foreign invader.

But in 2023, the Nobel Prize for Medicine went to the pair of scientists who had spent years working to fix the problem. It was done by taking one of the RNA bases, uridine, and swapping in a very similar synthetic alternative.

This breakthrough allowed scientists to create proteins in the body without the immune system attacking the jab.

It allows for quick and precise vaccines that are highly effective and was the backbone of the Covid vaccine response.

Not a perfect fit​

It was thought the minor tweak to uridine caused no problems in cells, but a team of researchers at the University of Cambridge’s Medical Research Council (MRC) Toxicology Unit have now found when this partially synthetic code is read, the protein-making machine in the body sometimes struggles with the uridine analogues.

Because it is not a perfect fit for what is expected, there can be a momentary pause which causes the process to stutter and a letter in the code can get skipped, much like a bike slipping a gear.

This process, called frameshifting, throws out the way the code is interpreted as it relies on groups of three bases, known as codons, being read in the right order.

This issue, caused by the jab’s code, throws the process completely out of sync and the entire subsequent code becomes garbled.

In the case of the Covid jabs, the end result is a nonsensical and harmless protein, the team found, which the body attacks and leads to an immune system flare-up. The new study, published in Nature, found this occurred in around 25-30 per cent of people.

Rogue protein fear​

The vaccine is read well enough to create the strong protection against the coronavirus, the scientists say, but the frameshifting issue creates what was, until now, an unknown off-target effect.

The code relating to the Covid vaccines was harmless and no issues were created. However the team say that subsequent mRNA vaccines used for other diseases or infections could, in theory, lead to viable proteins being created that are active in the body.

In this scenario not only is the vaccine not making the right protein, it could lead to a rogue protein being produced.

There is no evidence of this occurring in the Covid jabs, the authors stress, and they say any trials on other mRNA therapeutics would detect any such problems in early stages.

Dr James Thaventhiran, senior author of the report, said: “Research has shown beyond doubt that mRNA vaccination against COVID-19 is safe. Billions of doses of the Moderna and Pfizer mRNA vaccines have been safely delivered, saving lives worldwide.”

The authors also found that there is an easy way to eradicate the frameshifting events which relies on changing the code of the mRNA drug to minimise the use of the problematic pseudo-uridine.

Replacing it with a natural base that when read as a trio still makes the correct amino acid is enough to stop the unwanted skips and therefore improve safety without sacrificing efficacy.

These findings were shared with medicines regulator MHRA around a year ago, the scientists say, and updated vaccines that use the improved form of mRNA are in the works for cancer jabs, and other therapeutics.

‘Revolutionary technology’​

“This technology is amazing and it’s going to be revolutionary as a new medicine platform for all sorts of things, but we’ve just made it a whole lot safer going forward,” Professor Anne Willis, co-senior study author and director of the MRC Toxicology Unit told reporters.

“Ribosomes are somehow sensing the modified RNAs, but the Covid vaccines are very, very safe and very, very efficacious.

“But there are decoding issues with this technology that can cause stalling and frameshifting and we can get cellular immunity to these peptides after vaccination.”

However, she adds it is very exciting that there is a way to fix the issue, which “massively de-risks this platform going forward”.

https://news.yahoo.com/more-one-four-had-mrna-171724613.html (Archive)
 
Also the side effects after the second shot felt worse than when I got COVID a few months ago

You got forced into the shot, and still got the coof. So much for "safe and effective" amirite?

I got the coof back in early 2020. At least I assume that's what it was, given it's the first time I've been sick in like 15 years. Knocked me on my ass and I felt like shit for three solid days. But I've had far worse, to be honest. And after 3 days I was right as rain save for some residual soreness from all the coughing.

Fast forward to 2021 and I get another bout (again, circumstantial evidence only). It was a mild cough for a couple days that didn't even slow me down.

Properly functioning immune system FTW.
 
I feel you on the Anthrax jab. I took the 90's prototype and wished I was dead for like 2 months. Same with influenza-zero and chickenpox-zero tests.

When they were like "The SCIENCE is good! It'll be safe!" I was in the "fuck you, you said that about Anthrax and Influenza and Chickenpox vaccines, you faggots."

Just think, you'll get the 'government made me sick' treatment that the VA does.

You'll see them admit to it when 80% or more of the people with side effects die off.
 
Slight powerlevel, but I have a confession to make: I got the J&J clot shot back in 2021. It was either get shot or get lost, and I didn't want to lose my job. I followed some crackpot doctor's advice on Twitter and fasted for 48 hours- by fasting, your body would go into autophagy mode and eat the damaged proteins. I never got another shot since, and have moved to a new job that doesn't care if I'm vaxxed.

Am I going to die?
I did the same thing for the same reason at around the same time....so far so good. When I got sick with covid this year from whatever-the-fuck variant was going around it was the same kind of cold that chicken noodle and Zquil took care of. But who knows, I may drop dead in a few months and forever look like a schmuck so I just don't worry about it because what's done is done.

Thinking back on it, the only interesting thing about my experience getting the J&J was that it was the hardest one to get. I had to go out of my way to request it specifically in the vaccine clinic near the hospital at a certain time of the day because supply was limited. Plenty of phizer and moderna to go around, but the one I wanted was only at a specific place that I literally had to make an appointment for. When I was getting it, the nurse asked me what made me decide to get it and I said "honestly, the writing's on the wall and if I don't get it now then i'll either lose my job or be forced to get the other ones and I really REALLY don't trust this mRNA shit." He slowly nodded and said "I'm going to level with you, I got the J&J too because I don't trust those other two either. They aren't telling us enough about them, they were made too quickly, it's sketchy."

Idk if he was just saying that to make me feel better about apprehensively taking the jab, but if so then he missed his calling as an actor because he looked and sounded 100 percent genuine when he said that.
 
A yahoo news article, of a telegraph news article, about a study they didn't even link to? Is this really the level of quality we endorse here for actual reporting? This is literarily 3rd hand interpretation, at best. I thought we were better than this. Pathetic. Just because you want to support a certain narrative doesn't mean you should endorse garbage that is being published for clicks. It just makes your argument that much more of a joke.

Provide the actual study or shove it in your stink ditch.
I think it's this one, published on Nature yesterday (Dec. 6th).

N1-methylpseudouridylation of mRNA causes +1 ribosomal frameshifting​

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From what I understand (I'm retarded tho), the project aimed to reduce the harmfulness of the chain reactions following mRNA-vaccination, or something like that. The unintended immune reactions are part of the background info.

To investigate how ribonucleotide modification affects reading frame maintenance during translation of mRNA, we designed and synthesized IVT mRNAs (Fluc+1FS) that report on out-of-frame protein synthesis

Here is the news report about it from the University of Cambridge website:

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news...-prevent-potentially-harmful-immune-responses (archive)

EDIT - ok I can't find the specific information about unintended immune reactions, this is probably the wrong study.

EDIT 2 - wait they did some trials with mice, maybe that's what they're referring to.

I'd have better luck interpreting my own future out of traditional chinese characters than understanding all the technical jargon in the Nature article so I'm going to stop embarrassing myself now.
 
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I got the coof back in early 2020. At least I assume that's what it was, given it's the first time I've been sick in like 15 years. Knocked me on my ass and I felt like shit for three solid days. But I've had far worse, to be honest. And after 3 days I was right as rain save for some residual soreness from all the coughing.

Fast forward to 2021 and I get another bout (again, circumstantial evidence only). It was a mild cough for a couple days that didn't even slow me down.
Yeah I had a very similar experience. No vaxxing, never did trust it. Got the coof the first time in 2021 I think, got really really fucking sick for like 2 weeks, and then spent another 2 weeks coming down off it. The doctors prescribed me some big horsepills of wide spectrum antibiotics, not sure why, and a bunch of other crap. I probably could have not taken all that stuff and been OK but I was sicker at that point than I've ever been in my life.

Second time I got it, I had a short fever (2-3 days) and was OK after that.
 
I think it's this one, published on Nature yesterday (Dec. 6th).

N1-methylpseudouridylation of mRNA causes +1 ribosomal frameshifting​

archive

From what I understand (I'm retarded tho), the project aimed to reduce the harmfulness of the chain reactions following mRNA-vaccination, or something like that. The unintended immune reactions are part of the background info.



Here is the news report about it from the University of Cambridge website:

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news...-prevent-potentially-harmful-immune-responses (archive)

EDIT - ok I can't find the specific information about unintended immune reactions, this is probably the wrong study.

EDIT 2 - wait they did some trials with mice, maybe that's what they're referring to.

I'd have better luck interpreting my own future out of traditional chinese characters than understanding all the technical jargon in the Nature article so I'm going to stop embarrassing myself now.

You found the correct study, thank you for that.

Ok, I'll give my breakdown of the study. First off, a little nomenclature and mechanism. Ψ in the context of the study is pseudouridine. So 1-methylΨ should be read as 1-methylpseudouridine. The typical bases used for mRNA encoding are adenine (A), cytosine (C), uracil (U), and guanine (G). In mRNA Uracil (U) fills in for the thymine (T) that is used in DNA encoding. In order to stop the immune system from destroying the mRNA right off the bat before it can be useful Pfizer substituted 1-methylΨ (Ψ) for Uracil (U).

mRNA is read in a series of "Frames" also known as Codons. Each frame consists of 3 bases, with each codon encoding for a specific amino acid to be used in protein synthesis (with the exception of the 3 base codes for "Start", "Stop", and a few other special commands). A frameshift is when the frame for which 3 bases get grouped and read together for their 3 base code gets changed. In this instance the type of frameshift they are talking about is when the mRNA reading mechanism sees 1-methylΨ and had trouble reading it since it's not a standard uracil. In most cases the 1-methylΨ looks and acts enough like a normal uracil that the mRNA reading mechanism doesn't really notice that it isn't a proper uracil. But, every so often the mRNA reading mechanism sees the 1-methylΨ and decides its crap. This is an expected behavior for the mRNA reading mechanism. Crap can be randomly inserted into mRNA sequences, or the mRNA could have been created wrong, etc... so this is normal behavior for the mRNA reading mechanism when it sees something other than a normal base in the sequence. When this happens the mRNA reading mechanism will decide what its looking at is crap and in a +1 frameshift will shift the groupings of the bases backwards by 1 when putting together a frame. This is known as a +1 frameshift. This is a serious problem because all the future frames it reads will be wrong. You can think of it like this using the sequence below:

CCAGAΨGGAA

Normally the sequence would be read like this:

CCA GAΨ GGA A...

But with a +1 frameshift we get:

...C CAG AΨG GAA

This won't impact the frame for CCA because its amino acid will already be in place, but the frames beyond that will all be altered, coding for the wrong amino acids and the protein will come out with the wrong sequence of amino acids, being an anomalous protein rather than the intended protein.

I want to stress that this study was done in a test tube and a cell culture for the first part, and mice in the second part. At no point were actual humans used.

According to this study:

"1-methylΨ does not seem to affect codon misreading, but has been shown to affect protein synthesis rates and ribosome density on mRNAs, suggesting a direct effect on mRNA translation"

One of the purposes of this study was to determine if this was indeed true. If it was, we should see normal proteins, even if it is at a reduced rate. If it is incorrect, then we will see normal protein, but we should also see frameshift +1 abnormal proteins in a significant quantity if the 1-methylΨ was actually causing codon misreading.

As can be seen in figure 1, they did get mostly normal protein, but there was a significant quantity of abnormal proteins that would only have occurred if there was a frameshift +1 mutation, proving that 1-methylΨ does indeed create the frameshift +1 reading frame alternation. You can think of this experiment as a "proof of concept" it didn't involve anything having to do with the vaccine, but it was meant to validate their base theory and methodology for determining if 1-methylΨ +1 frameshifting was indeed possible and if it could happen in human cells, and both were proven to be true.

In the next part they used mice to determine if this carried over to actual living mammals, if the abnormal proteins in question were generated by the actual Pfizer mRNA vaccine, and if they were indeed immunogenic, meaning they elicited an immune response. I would like to stress that we make screwed up proteins all the time, it's a matter of statistics that when making so many proteins a certain amount are going to be crap. The body and the immune system have an entire protocol for dealing with screwed up proteins and it is nothing out of the ordinary. It would be far more concerning if the immune system ignored screwed up proteins and allowed them to build up.

In the experiment they were able to prove that the mice when immunized with the Pfizer mRNA vaccine produced the abnormal proteins from the +1 frameshifting due to the 1-methylΨ and the immune system identified it as a foreign protein and destroyed it. They were also able to demonstrate that the immune reaction to the +1 frameshifting protein is not the result of just the COVID-19 spike protein or even just COVID-19 vaccination since mice vaccinated with another COVID-19 vaccine, specifically ChAdOx1, which was not an mRNA vaccine, did not have an immune reaction to the abnormal frameshift +1 protein. This means that the other vaccine, ChAdOx1, which was not an mRNA vaccine did not cause the production of the abnormal protein. while the mice that got the mRNA vaccine did react to the presence of the abnormal protein. This demonstrated that the immune cells from the mice vaccinated with the Pfizer mRNA vaccine had indeed seen the abnormal proteins before as a result of their initial vacciantion.

The next part of the article demonstrates that the mistranslation that created the abnormal protein was indeed from a +1 frameshifting mechanism and not due to another mechanism. You can think of this section as being a double-check to show that what they thought was happening was indeed what happened, and not something else. You usually have to do this in experiments because one of the first things someone will ask after you have proven something is "Well, couldn't it be XYZ instead" and unless you have confirmed it isn't another mechanism, your results will be questionable.

The section after that is them proving that it was the stalling of the translation process caused by 1-methylΨ specifically that leads to the frameshift +1 mistranslation which created the abnormal protein. Again, this is meant to validate their theory in the other direction. That not only was it from +1 frameshifting, but it was specifically from the mechanism they proposed using 1-methylΨ and not something else that could cause +1 frameshifting. This is also typically expected in an experiment because again the first thing someone will ask is "Well, we know its a +1 frameshift, but couldn't that have been caused by ABC instead" and unless you have proven that your mechanism is the most likely explanation, people will question the validity of your results.

In the conclusion they talk about how the study proves that 1-methylΨ in mRNA vaccines causes +1 frameshifting, that the the abnormal protein is created in living mice from the Pfizer mRNA vaccination, and that the immune system of the mice recognize the abnormal protein produced by the Pfizer mRNA vaccine, which could be an issue for future uses of this mRNA technology.

One of the most important take away points from this study is the following:

"Although there is no evidence that frameshifted products in humans generated from BNT162b2 vaccination are associated with adverse outcomes, for future use of mRNA technology it is important that mRNA sequence design is modified to reduce ribosome frameshifting events, as this may limit its future use for applications that require higher doses or more frequent dosing, such as the in vivo production of hormones."

They make a salient point. The less off-target protein that is produced by a vaccination or other medical products using this mRNA technology the better off everyone is since its entirely possible, although extremely unlikely, that a rogue protein could be created if this technology was used in the future for something else and it may not be an innocuous protein such as the abnormal protein produced by this vaccination. I agree. They also propose another method that would work just as well, but would drastically reduce the potential for abnormal protein production. That is obviously something that needs to be investigated further.


For TL;DR people:

1. The experiment was done with test tubes, cells in dishes, and mice, not with people. Any data generated from this experiment has to be extrapolated to human beings. So, this study provides absolutely no information or proof of any harm created by any mRNA vaccination in any human whatsoever.

2. They were able to prove that the Pfizer vaccine did indeed lead to a small, but significant amount of deformed spike protein being generated in mice due to the mechanism they researched. They did demonstrate that this is unique to the Pfizer mRNA vaccine as this immune response was not seen in mice vaccinated with the ChAdOx1 vaccine.

3. The deformed protein was recognized by the mouse immune system and destroyed, just like every other damaged protein in the body. The body has an entire system for getting rid of crap proteins. The mouse immune system attacked and digested the deformed protein exactly like it handled the correct spike protein. There was no evidence that the deformed protein produced any detrimental effect on the mice.

4. "Although there is no evidence that frameshifted products in humans generated from BNT162b2 vaccination are associated with adverse outcomes, for future use of mRNA technology it is important that mRNA sequence design is modified to reduce ribosome frameshifting events, as this may limit its future use for applications that require higher doses or more frequent dosing, such as the in vivo production of hormones."

This study literally doesn't say anything about human response to the vaccine, or the human immune response to the potentially malformed protein. The article in the OP is 100% complete horseshit. They are attributing something to this study that it never said, and never intended to say. It doesn't even involve humans.

Hopefully my breakdown of the actual study will remind everyone here, again, not to read clickbait garbage and actually think it is worth more than something to read while wiping your arse.

If anything I wrote above is unclear, please feel free to ask, I will do my best to answer any questions.
 
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I'm increasingly convinced J&J's vaccine was effectively shut down because they dared to deliver to spec - a prototype vaccine based on a new but recently used technology that wasn't very good, but was useful enough on a short-term EUA basis to prevent severe illness and death in highly vulnerable people.

It wasn't Pfizer mRNA mystery juice that apparently nobody but God understands what is in it, what it actually does, where and how it spreads or how it affects people long-term.

I imagine it didn't help them that the damn dirty Russians used the same viral vector approach for their own vaccine.


Nope, you're completely fine. Aside from significant differences between the viral vector vaccines like J&J or Sputnik V and the mRNA ones, in all cases the mortality and adverse effects drop to zero after about 180 days. Once you're past that point, everything has been cleared from your body without a doubt.

The only way you'll harm yourself going forward is if you "boost".
TL;DR J&Jchads (looked death in the face, immediately knew whether they were going to die following injection, only needed one stab, biologically can only go up from here) can't stop winning
 
The more I read up on it and talk to folks with actual medical backgrounds, the more I'm sure of a couple things:
  • People aren't going to "Drop dead en-masse in a year or so!" due to the shot. Most serious side effects were within 90 days of the shot and within 6 months, basically all traces of the vaccine are gone.
  • The vaccine was not only ineffective, bit was legitimately dangerous. The folks dying of blood clots and such actually happened (Mostly within 90 days) and studies show that it can indeed put out the malformed protein for a while.
It never should've been released like it was, but if you've survived it this far, you're probably fine. Definitely don't get any fucking boosters, though.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't prions misfolded proteins too? You know, the shit that causes Kuru and Mad Cow Disease?

All prions are misfolded proteins, not all misfolded proteins are prions.

This study isn't about misfolded proteins. It's about proteins that are built with the wrong set of amino acids after a certain point so the original protein and the abnormal protein don't look anything alike. It's not the same thing.

As far as misfolded proteins are concerned this is a result of an error in the process of a linear protein structure being folded involving secondary and tertiary structures and assembled into a final quaternary structure, This is a completely different part of the protein synthesis and finishing process. Protein folding comes much later than the mRNA translation process.

It has never been proven in any study, anywhere, that any mRNA technology is capable of creating prions. To think such a thing would be a truly incredible leap of logic.
 
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Unfortunately had to take the jab because it was required to visit my mom in the hospital who was dying of cancer. The worst part during the entire experience was watching my family repeat the same line the MSM has fed them. Be it from the news or Reddit. This whole escapade really cemented the point that the elites are horrible scum and have cemented their status as the enemy of mankind.

Not playing next time they try this. Also, I wonder how many people are gonna do a warboy impression on the establishment that turned them into half-lives? They're dying anyway so they may as well ride eternal on the highway to Valhalla.

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All prions are misfolded proteins, not all misfolded proteins are prions.

This study isn't about misfolded proteins. It's about proteins that are built with the wrong set of amino acids after a certain point so the original protein and the abnormal protein don't look anything alike. It's not the same thing.

Ah ok thanks for the explanation.
 
@Manul Otocolobus thanks for the clear and detailed explanation of the study, I feel a bit less retarded now. I'm saving a copy of it.

Now I get that the OP article was clickbait and barely true to the original study, but in general, don't you agree that even if so far there doesn't seem to be strong proof of serious consequences, it was still shady as hell and reckless to release the vaxx so quick to the main public? The way I interpret these studies is that it's a matter of luck that so far no nasty consequences have been found, but there's still a lot that they haven't tested for definitively, as they say in the Nature paper itself. And meanwhile billions and billions have the spike Pfiz-tein (lol) flowing in their veins.
 
@Manul Otocolobus thanks for the clear and detailed explanation of the study, I feel a bit less retarded now. I'm saving a copy of it.

Now I get that the OP article was clickbait and barely true to the original study, but in general, don't you agree that even if so far there doesn't seem to be strong proof of serious consequences, it was still shady as hell and reckless to release the vaxx so quick to the main public? The way I interpret these studies is that it's a matter of luck that so far no nasty consequences have been found, but there's still a lot that they haven't tested for definitively, as they say in the Nature paper itself. And meanwhile billions and billions have the spike Pfiz-tein (lol) flowing in their veins.
That seems to be the general consensus, yes. Who knows what consequences this may breed down the line. Unfortunately I don’t know these answers as I am not a scientist of any sort. Though my understanding is this stays in your system forever, is that right? It would be interesting if down the line the original ruling is overturned and and family members are allowed to sue in the interest of their dead loved ones.
 
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Every single day Drain Todger is further vindicated...God what's it like to sperg out on the Internet and have everyone call you crazy only for medical articles to come out a week later reiterating everything you said almost verbatim? I imagine once or twice it's funny. By now I imagine the Drainy One as a crippling alcoholic who hates humanity.
 
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