Science One in four who had Pfizer Covid jabs experienced unintended immune response - lol

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More than a quarter of people injected with mRNA Covid jabs suffered an unintended immune response created by a glitch in the way the vaccine was read by the body, a study has found.

No adverse effects were created by the error, data show, but Cambridge scientists found such vaccines were not perfect and sometimes led to nonsense proteins being made instead of the desired Covid “spike”, which mimics infection and leads to antibody production.

mRNA jabs, such as the ones created by Moderna and Pfizer, use a string of genetic material to tell the body to create a specific protein that safely imitates an infection.

Research in the field, spanning decades, had been slow work. It often stalled because RNA itself is often attacked by the body as a foreign invader.

But in 2023, the Nobel Prize for Medicine went to the pair of scientists who had spent years working to fix the problem. It was done by taking one of the RNA bases, uridine, and swapping in a very similar synthetic alternative.

This breakthrough allowed scientists to create proteins in the body without the immune system attacking the jab.

It allows for quick and precise vaccines that are highly effective and was the backbone of the Covid vaccine response.

Not a perfect fit​

It was thought the minor tweak to uridine caused no problems in cells, but a team of researchers at the University of Cambridge’s Medical Research Council (MRC) Toxicology Unit have now found when this partially synthetic code is read, the protein-making machine in the body sometimes struggles with the uridine analogues.

Because it is not a perfect fit for what is expected, there can be a momentary pause which causes the process to stutter and a letter in the code can get skipped, much like a bike slipping a gear.

This process, called frameshifting, throws out the way the code is interpreted as it relies on groups of three bases, known as codons, being read in the right order.

This issue, caused by the jab’s code, throws the process completely out of sync and the entire subsequent code becomes garbled.

In the case of the Covid jabs, the end result is a nonsensical and harmless protein, the team found, which the body attacks and leads to an immune system flare-up. The new study, published in Nature, found this occurred in around 25-30 per cent of people.

Rogue protein fear​

The vaccine is read well enough to create the strong protection against the coronavirus, the scientists say, but the frameshifting issue creates what was, until now, an unknown off-target effect.

The code relating to the Covid vaccines was harmless and no issues were created. However the team say that subsequent mRNA vaccines used for other diseases or infections could, in theory, lead to viable proteins being created that are active in the body.

In this scenario not only is the vaccine not making the right protein, it could lead to a rogue protein being produced.

There is no evidence of this occurring in the Covid jabs, the authors stress, and they say any trials on other mRNA therapeutics would detect any such problems in early stages.

Dr James Thaventhiran, senior author of the report, said: “Research has shown beyond doubt that mRNA vaccination against COVID-19 is safe. Billions of doses of the Moderna and Pfizer mRNA vaccines have been safely delivered, saving lives worldwide.”

The authors also found that there is an easy way to eradicate the frameshifting events which relies on changing the code of the mRNA drug to minimise the use of the problematic pseudo-uridine.

Replacing it with a natural base that when read as a trio still makes the correct amino acid is enough to stop the unwanted skips and therefore improve safety without sacrificing efficacy.

These findings were shared with medicines regulator MHRA around a year ago, the scientists say, and updated vaccines that use the improved form of mRNA are in the works for cancer jabs, and other therapeutics.

‘Revolutionary technology’​

“This technology is amazing and it’s going to be revolutionary as a new medicine platform for all sorts of things, but we’ve just made it a whole lot safer going forward,” Professor Anne Willis, co-senior study author and director of the MRC Toxicology Unit told reporters.

“Ribosomes are somehow sensing the modified RNAs, but the Covid vaccines are very, very safe and very, very efficacious.

“But there are decoding issues with this technology that can cause stalling and frameshifting and we can get cellular immunity to these peptides after vaccination.”

However, she adds it is very exciting that there is a way to fix the issue, which “massively de-risks this platform going forward”.

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I don't know what you want besides an argument: I do the hard work of ctrl+f'ing a published study like you wanted, that demonstrates the vaccine stays in you indefinitely, and you just ignore it to catfight in the thread like a hypocrite.
Exactly what I said was going to happen. It’s almost like I’ve seen it hundreds of times or something.
 
You are the one that can't apparently be bothered to restate the case made by others.
Right, because it would be reinventing the wheel. Why waste my time doing that
Although I suspect it is more of you aren't capable of doing so, rather than can't be bothered,
You're right, how dare I not be a medical doctor in this field.
because you are ignorant and unable to comprehend the subject material and actually discuss it.
I also have opinions on war, despite having never been a soldier, and on the economy, despite not having a Harvard degree in Economics. I guess I should just stop thinking for myself, since I don't have degrees in literally every field.
 
No real medical person should be blase about random proteins being created in someone. Some of the deadliest diseases and venoms in nature are proteins; you absolutely do not want a pile of miscellaneous protein floating around in your blood. The odds of a random gibberish protein turning out to be airborne mad cow disease and extinguishing humanity are of course vanishingly tiny, but it isn't zero. There's no reason to be rolling that die to desperately vaccinate people from a middling cold.
 
Even if we had convincing evidence that the vaccine program was even a moderate success in terms of its goals of stopping transmission and deaths, it wouldn’t counteract the absolutely appalling financial and policy choices that the government chose to enact. The whole ordeal was a failure from top to bottom to the scale that should be causing riots.

First world nations bankrupted themselves to bankroll R&D for pharmaceutical companies who in return have lied about the effectiveness of their product.

It doesn’t matter what the “untinended immune responses” were, the fact that they exist despite heavy handed messaging to the contrary is the bigger picture. People were rightfully worried about unforeseen outcomes from an experimental procedure and you’re only going to make things worse by pretending that they weren’t attacked and ostracized for voicing those concerns while the government was trying to force them to take the treatment.
 
I also have opinions on war, despite having never been a soldier, and on the economy, despite not having a Harvard degree in Economics. I guess I should just stop thinking for myself, since I don't have degrees in literally every field.
Don't you know Critical thinking is bad and you should always trust the technocratic experts.
 
because you are ignorant and unable to comprehend the subject material and actually discuss it.
This is just the “You can’t understand or relate to [Insert Minority Group Here] because you aren’t one of them.”

Literally had this exact conversation with an autistic child I was tutoring the other day. It’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. So, by your logic you can not understand or relate to he subject material if you’re not an absolute expert? Where’s your degree?
 
No, you linked to an article about a study, not the study itself. Nor did you provide your reasoning and breakdown of why the study said what you think it says and the data representing it. Are you too stupid to realize the issue to begin with was because an article discussed a study when the study didn't say what the article said it did?
>you didn't link the study, you linked an article that provides a name and link to the study.
Well, that cognitive decline thing sure ain't a conspiracy.
 
Thank you for continuing to prove my point, wallowing pig.
If we summarize a study, it's us manipulating it. If we just link the study, it's too esoteric to read. Fortunately for you an article breaks down the study and as a third party and then a user pointed out the flaws in that third party's conclusion, all while providing the study itself as a primary source for reference.
It can be found at the post I linked. All free of charge, I know you're waiting on a Pfizer refund.
 
Hence why I agreed with the conclusion of the study, especially when the study identified a different way it could be done that doesn't have that risk going forward.

See, for all you people that don't understand what a discussion is, this is what it looks like.
Like I said, hyperfixating on the how it should have done is irrelevant when it never should have been used in the first place. There is absolutely zero reason for the jab or the boosters to exist or be used other than a it's there, find some reason to use it.

Giving me all the moti stickers you want doesn't change the fact that nobody's buying what you're selling because what youre selling is three years out of date.
 
Continues to contribute nothing of any value to this discussion, as predicted.
I dunno. I think disseminating your actual motives for the rest to see is rather productive and helpful. Like I said before it’s easy to see that you aren’t actually here to have a genuine dialog on the subject. Like so many others before you relying on tired old cliches in an effort to drag this all out endlessly.
 
You realize that what you saying is that science is indefensible because it is essentially corrupt, so we should just believe in the nonsense. That is incredibly defeatist.
i'm saying i'm not going to believe anyone who has been caught purposefully lying to me multiple times. only a stupid person would do that

or, someone who has such religious zealotry for The Science they refuse to acknowledge that heretics of The Science might be right about some things
 
I don't care at all what people believe or not. My interest is the pure science, facts, and data of it.
You really should care, because it was that strict adherence to "The Science" which is what leads us all to this mery-go-fuck-you-all-round ride we're stuck in.

Science has no room at the dinner table without the guiding hand of morality to slap the shit out of it when it goes lets inject people with junk, it's okay because it's science! and what we're seeing on this thread, and threads like it, is a small glimpse into a larger issue looming over the horizon: the disregard for ethics and morality when it is convenient for governing bodies, financial bodies, tech industries, media, et al.

You cannot take the stance of neutrality in the face of all the bullshit that went into the covid clown show, it is simply a denial of reality.
 
We are citing sources:
cf. @Drain Todger

What because we don't argue on our own authority, we're stupid, have nothing to contribute, and are wallowing in filth? Why can't we argue on an authority's authority? What, do we all have to get doctorates in experimental gene therapy before we get to have an opinion on the jab? Just because we can't or don't want to play king of shit hill with you, we're wrong, ignorant morons?
You're not allowed to argue on authority's authority because in Burgerland you have several generations of a populace cucked by the Academic industry. Yes, they ALL want you to get doctorates before you have an opinion on anything because they're faggots and that's what they do. There is nothing that pisses off academic people more than being told they're wrong by people who didn't spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a piece of paper. They simply can't handle the fact that smart phones replaced Academia a long fucking time ago.
 
I hate how science is treated like a fucking religion.

There's always a debate on scientific findings, there HAS to be because times change and new discoveries are made all the time. Unfortunately, politics, news media and the IFUCKINGLOVESCIENCE redditors have used journals and studies as gospel to give themselves authority to make themselves feel superior and/or force others to comply because 'i'm right, you're dumb'. And as a result, anyone that witnessed that behavior based on claims that are bullshit are now dismissive of any scientific studies. Way to go, fuckers.

It's everywhere. Environmentalism, Psychology, Biology, you fucking name it it's all full of vipers who push sloppy studies and proclaim them as undeniable scripture. It's been happening long before Covid but that whole event has completely wrecked the public perception of the practice. God forbid an actual existence-threatening plague comes around in the future.
 
Pardon me, but this sounds really similar to the effects of Celiac disease.

The immune system detects the protein gluten as a foreign invader in the small intestine and attacks it. It's not a benign reaction. The attacks cause inflammation, illness, and damage to cilia (leading to nutrient deficiency in the long term) in Celiac disease sufferers. And that's just in the digestive system. I can't imagine what sort of effects people who have that sort of reaction in their entire body experience all caused by a vaccine they're told is "very, very, very safe for realzies, guys, pwease bewieve us."
I work with someone who has a real and honest case of Celiac disease, like "I've had to call an ambulance at least once for her" tier.

After she got the Jab her health divebombed for months to the point where she is still having issues that none of the doctors she has seen can fully treat.
 
I work with someone who has a real and honest case of Celiac disease, like "I've had to call an ambulance at least once for her" tier.

After she got the Jab her health divebombed for months to the point where she is still having issues that none of the doctors she has seen can fully treat.

My (lifetime, nearly brothers) friend's uncle suffered total platelet loss immediately after getting vaxed. He went from perfectly fine to internal bleeding/chronic lifetime ailment in something like two days. I have no idea how that happens, as far as I understand doctors have no idea either... but it fucking happened.
 
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