Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

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Can someone more in tune with node sum up the result of their CoC drama? I assume people just live with it now.
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The Community Committee is a resource sink where everyone pushes issues around in a circle doing absolutely nothing. I listen to their streamed meetings sometimes and it's just the exact same "HOW DO WE EXPLAIN DIVERSITY?" and "LETS MAKE STICKERS FOR CONTRIBUTORS" over and over with no progress on anything. It's funny how often they bring up the dead on arrival AyoJS project as something to look to when building their "HOW DO WE EXPLAIN DIVERSITY?" issue.

I'm not sure if it was intentional to shove them all into do nothing sub-group, theoretically they have some governance power but they haven't really done anything recently.
 
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 09:15:31 -0600
From: Justin Hibbits <jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu>
To: Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no>
Cc: Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org>, Veniamin Gvozdikov <vg@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD developers <developers@freebsd.org>, portmgr@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Drop commit bit

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 4:50 AM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> wrote:
> Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org> writes:
>> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> writes:
>> > Do you realize that the term “SJW”, when used unironically, is
>> > intended as an insult?
>> Yes and are YOU into throwing SJW around? I'm not into it.. The
>> whole area is pretty boring unless you USE SJW or are the person being
>> talked about.
>
> OK, that makes no sense at all. It is clear that you don't know what
> “social justice warrior” means. The term was originally coined within
> the social justice movement to describe people who “talk the talk but do
> not walk the walk”, or who behave as caricatures of the movement. It is
> now used (almost) exclusively by those who oppose social justice to
> ridicule and belittle those who fight for it. Unironic use of the term
> is a clear indicator that you are on the wrong side of history.
>
> DES
> --
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no

SJWs are bullies. Nothing more, nothing less. They care naught about
justice in any fashion, and only care about shutting down the other
side. Someone who actually cares about justice wants to level the
field. A proclaimed SJW wants to either a) tip the scale in the other
direction turning the privileged into the "underprivileged" out of
spite, or (more often) b) just beat up on those with the declared
privilege, not trying to actually solve a problem. Hell, I don't even
know what "social justice" even means, the phrase is thrown around as
a way of making unruly demands from people who don't even necessarily
participate in an infraction.

I've stayed silent through this thread hoping it would go away, but I
see it won't. My biggest fear with the CoC, especially how it's
written, is that some self-proclaimed "SJW" (bully for the minorities)
will use it as a weapon. Some already are, telling those of us with
certain anatomy to "check their white male privilege". This cannot be
done. It's impossible. I can't view life from any angle other than
the one I live as. Yes, I'm male, yes I'm white. Who cares? I don't
care what race, gender, sexuality, color, creed, language, favorite
car, favorite TV show... none of it is important. Demanding that I
take note of those characteristics, and elevate them above my own,
simply because they're less represented by certain people is itself a
bully maneuver.

David Chisnall was right when he lamented that the CoC should have
been reviewed by someone to make sure the CoC is written less slanted.
Now it's fired up both sides, detractors and supporters. Aren't we
all on the same side, though, really? I just want to get my work
done, and have my enjoyment with making FreeBSD a technically superior
operating system. These angering threads surrounding the CoC are
detracting from that.

If I were to make one technical change to the CoC, it would be this:
* Default to the benefit of the doubt. Don't assume malice until
correction has been ignored.

This thread should die. Any detractor from the CoC should play a
wait-and-see, and if/when someone does use it as a weapon to silence
an opponent, then we can reevaluate it. I dislike how it's written,
but it won't change until it has to.

Now can we get back to the regularly scheduled program of ... programming?

- Justin

Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 21:12:51 -0600
From: Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org>
To: Kurt Jaeger <pi@FreeBSD.org>
Cc: Justin Hibbits <jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu>, FreeBSD developers <developers@freebsd.org>, dteske@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: Drop commit bit
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> On Feb 28, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Kurt Jaeger <pi@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
>
> Reflecting back

As an aside, just want people to know that I have, since the release of the CoC, been:

A. Threatened with rape
B. Called a bitch
C. Said that I ruined the community
D. Had a close friend yell at me over the phone
E. Had dick pics sent to me

I just keep coding and ignore it.

But the fact is, when I attend my first BSDCan this June, I will be worried about misplaced backlash (as the above is). I just want to go to present a new tool I’ve been working on for 5 years that I
+think will technically enrich many lives (talk is titled “All along the dwatch tower” and is on the topic of using https://reviews.freebsd.org/D10006).

I don’t like the idea that ultimately I will probably have to give my talk and then leave for fear some dude is going to take their aggression out on me. What if I am walking the halls and some disgruntled person decides to confront me and unlike the Internet, I cannot simply ignore them.

So far the only man I have seen receive any backlash thus far is Colin whom received a tweet stating “nice to see [devin] has turned you into a bitch like her.”

I would be interested to hear of anything like the above that has happened to the men in the project, because I theorize that I am the chosen target simply because of my gender.

After all (sarcasm) Devin must have been entirely the person responsible for this document (/sarcasm). Nothing could be further from the truth.
—
Devin

Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 12:14:20 +0800
From: Marcelo Araujo <araujobsdport@gmail.com>
To: Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org>
Cc: Kurt Jaeger <pi@freebsd.org>, Justin Hibbits <jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu>, FreeBSD developers <developers@freebsd.org>
Subject: Re: Drop commit bit

Sorry to hear about that!
But I have been in so many conferences and most of the time what some
people described here seems not to be where I went.

Conferences that I went:
1) friendly people, even from other Os.
2) technical talks and conversations.
3) hang around and share beers.
4) talk about life outside computers.
5) share opportunities.

I have had so many great experiences in Asiabsdcon, Eurobsdcon and etc.

Some descriptions doesn't match with what I have saw till last year. Now
I'm wondering next conference will be a 'hulligans' conference?

Will we have gangs from Brooklyn fighting to get territory?

Seriously, if somebody treat you there, call the police, call other people
around you. How old are you? A 3 years old that doesn't know how to speak
or yell to call others attention?

That is one reason that CoC sounds bad, looks like we are among gangsters
and soon or late something will explode.

Best,

Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 12:36:43 +0800
From: Marcelo Araujo <araujobsdport@gmail.com>
To: Marcelo Araujo <araujo@freebsd.org>
Cc: Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org>, Kurt Jaeger <pi@freebsd.org>, Justin Hibbits <jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu>, FreeBSD developers <developers@freebsd.org>
Subject: Re: Drop commit bit

I received a private email, and I would like to apologize.

Devin, what I would like to say in my latest email is: I'm encourage you
to attend any conference, and if you feel treat or afraid to go, I can
follow you if that would make you feel more safe, I'm sure other people
will do the same.

So, all the conferences are very professional and you should not be afraid
to attend.

Looking forward to see your talk.

Best,

Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 05:12:40 +0000
From: Colin Percival <cperciva@tarsnap.com>
To: Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org>, Kurt Jaeger <pi@FreeBSD.org>
Cc: Justin Hibbits <jrh29@alumni.cwru.edu>, FreeBSD developers <developers@freebsd.org>
Subject: Re: Drop commit bit
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On 02/28/18 19:12, Devin Teske wrote:
> As an aside, just want people to know that I have, since the release of the CoC, been:
>
> A. Threatened with rape
> B. Called a bitch
> C. Said that I ruined the community
> D. Had a close friend yell at me over the phone
> E. Had dick pics sent to me
> [...]
>
> So far the only man I have seen receive any backlash thus far is Colin whom
> received a tweet stating “nice to see [devin] has turned you into a bitch
> like her.”
>
> I would be interested to hear of anything like the above that has happened
> to the men in the project, because I theorize that I am the chosen target
> simply because of my gender.

I have been called a bitch, a cuck[old], and a homosexual; I've been told by
two people that they hope I get raped (I guess expressing hopes isn't quite
the same as a direct threat, though); and I've been accused of never having
made any significant contributions to FreeBSD, of having written all of
Randi's code for her, and of destroying the FreeBSD project (both for my work
on the CoC and for mentoring Randi -- I guess I FreeBSD died but came back to
life?).

No friends yelling at me or pictures of genitalia yet, though.

Almost all of the above was on Reddit, and I found it interesting that none
of the people spewing such nonsense had user names I recognized despite my
many years in the r/BSD and r/FreeBSD subreddits. It's almost as if there's
a group of trolls who invade whatever community gains their attention...

--
Colin Percival
Security Officer Emeritus, FreeBSD | The power to serve
Founder, Tarsnap | www.tarsnap.com | Online backups for the truly paranoid
 
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Now that the names have leaked I thought it would be worth looking a little deeper. Figured I'd post results and save anyone else the effort.

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Li-Wen Hsu / iwhsu:
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Involved with FreeBSD since 2007. From Taiwan. Continuous Integration Team and port maintainer. Also works for Yahoo. Online presence appears clean. No Twitter sperging. Just normal nerd stuff and a huge flickr. Has classic nerd hobbies, scuba diving, biker, snowboarder and photography. He links nearly every account he has from his website so personal online security is going to be on his mind.

https://lwhsu.org/ - Personal website
https://blog.lwhsu.org/ - Blog. Down, under maintenance
https://www.facebook.com/lwhsu
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lwhsu/
https://twitter.com/lwhsu
https://www.linkedin.com/in/lwhsu

Warner Losh / bsdimp:
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A member of the old guard. Losh predates the creation of the Core Team (2000) and seems to have activity dating back to 1995 or earlier. Was elected to Core at the first vote and has 10 years of service in Core. Currently assisting Netflix with storage related matters. Previously worked on FreeBSD for embedded systems.

http://bsdimp.blogspot.com/
https://twitter.com/bsdimp?lang=en
https://www.linkedin.com/in/bsdimp

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Juli Mallett / caladri:
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Started with FreeBSD in 2002. 6 Github commits in the last year. None of them are related to FreeBSD. Interestingly Juli does not have any formal education in engineering or computer science. Seems to be a bit of a religious nut, an ordained minister of the Episcopal Church (Anglican). “I found Polynesia, and particularly the Polynesians as explorers and innovators, a potent challenge to the idea of white and European supremacy”

https://people.freebsd.org/~jmallett/ (Jesus Christ the fucking design hurts)
http://caladri.ca/ (DO NOT OPEN. Causes immediate headaches and nausea. Prolonged exposure leads to blindness.)
https://twitter.com/caladri - Personal Twitter. Locked
https://twitter.com/vmjulix - “Professional” Twitter
https://www.flickr.com/photos/caladri/

Snippets from her website:
I find it desperately-useful to think of myself as a cyberpunk; it's increasingly the identifier under which I house much of my aesthetics and a portion of my worldview otherwise. I used to think of myself as a goth, and I still find that descriptor useful, but as something I once aspired to more than that I am. Gothic is perhaps most meaningful to me in the sense of gothic literature, and that is not entirely unlike how I suppose I see the world, in its romantic darkness, its magical complexity. That, too, finds rest in my naming of cyberpunk.

It begins in the Rust Belt, and so do I.

I was born and grew into a world full of grey: moral ambiguity; bleakness; depression; concrete. It's tempting here before getting into the more interesting things and more poetical things to talk about concrete.

Concrete is to me the stuff not of sidewalks but of Brutalism. Government buildings with imposing walls, uniform and powerful pieces of glass merely representing windows, oversight from on high. Concrete is abundant in and around the Rust Belt, and in the cities which made their impression on me most especially-so.

I love that kind of grey, and I loathe it, too. I absolutely understand the aesthetics of Brutalism: the messaging, the structure; those who adopted it; the places which bear its lasting imprint.

It is that grey that I see shining through in so much of the Seventh Doctor's episodes of Doctor Who, bleak British towerblocks. So it goes in so much Cold War Science Fiction, or at least the stuff that speaks to me; it is hopeful, but the hope is shaded by the terror and fear of what lurks in windowless buildings.

As far as housing, civilization and structure, I suppose cyberpunk assumes that with time enough the towerblock will become a walled city. Perhaps that is a statement about what happens when people are isolated from society and one another by instruments of society which place them densely alongside one-another. Perhaps it is a simple fear of central planning and centralized power exerted over a centralized people. Perhaps it is about the romantic anarchy of Kowloon Walled City.

Something about that image resonates with me, although why only gradually becomes clear. Front 242's "Circling Overland" makes more sense as drone warfare gives rise to drone peacefare, and the world begins to forget that people pilot drones, people build them, people consent to be governed by the State that claims the right to impose them. As things move from intellect to reality, it becomes easier to see their connections to aesthetics and human expression.

Cybperunk is essentially a human expression, and must be understood as such because it deals so extensively with the destruction of constructions of humanity, and the rise of machines, technology, and mechanistic society. That there can be a song from the perspective of a drone sung by a human is itself a visible (well, audible) sign of resistance, of hope for humanity to be self-aware.

Cyberpunk is endlessly self-aware, or should be. It does not merely embrace technology for its own sake whether dystopia comes or not: it eagerly consumes technology even as it recognizes its shortcomings, and the need for human beings for technology to have a purpose, and that dystopias aren't actually very pleasant places to live. There are people who want to live in a cyberpunk dystopia, but I have to imagine they're something like the counterpart of the person who is infatuated with the Jazz Age and so unironically admires Jay Gatsby as a heroic, not comic or tragic, character. Or so I hope.

And I am full of hope. But I am also aware of the world I live in, and the world that awaits me some 20 Minutes into the Future.

I think that the better part of being a cyberpunk is wanting to resist the overwhelming power and brutality that comes with a bleak life in the Rust Belt or Thatcher's Britain, or any world where we are expected to sacrifice our humanity for the economy or the good of the State. As a Christian and a cyberpunk, I think of myself as having one eye turned ever to light and one eye to the dark. Embrace the wonders of humanity, and let technology unite us, but fight against the ways it divides us, too. Stare into the neon lights of your Neo-Tokyo, and do not turn away from what happens in its dark alleys so far from their glow.
I live in and grew up in a country where Eurocentrism is the assumed, implicit, inviolable norm; nobody has to much think about or interrogate the assumption of European perspectives, biases and histories. I came of age in Honolulu, and there began to embrace non-European perspectives and narratives in a serious, personal and lasting way. If Polynesia was the locus of the start of that journey, I found going to Mongolia the culmination, or at least the start of the next step.

Taking part in the Mongol Rally and going from London to Ulaanbaatar was important to me from the outset as an attempt to broaden my understanding of what the dichotomy I'd grown up with between Europe and Asia really meant. Was it about real and fundamental differences in culture, people, history, ...? Whatever the difference (if one was even really tenable), was there a gradient in the middle, or really clear boundaries and delineations?

Whether I found answers to those questions belongs elsewhere, but the Mongols were deeply involved in all of them. If you do want to plot out a north Asian gradient, it will certainly be informed by the history of Mongol expansion, and the positioning of Turkic and Mongolic peoples, historically and today.

I found Polynesia, and particularly the Polynesians as explorers and innovators, a potent challenge to the idea of white and European supremacy; the Polynesians had covered vast distances routinely, and without so many resources to support them as Europeans had. (I like to point out that while the Europeans were just about done 'discovering' all these 'new' lands, and the United States was becoming well-established, Russian explorers only just managed to reach the north-eastern extents of the Eurasian land mass. Europeans were much more interested in exploitation than exploration, and were quite slow at actually getting around to exploring even lands that were contiguous with their own, especially considering the supposedly-impressive wealth and technology they had at their disposal, along with a much larger population to do the hard work of exploration.) The Mongols were, if anything, a more direct challenge to Eurocentrism. They had made it to Poland in the course of their expansion; lands I thought of as unambiguously-European had been conquered, or at least challenged, for a period of time by the Mongols.

I have taken to taking as much of a Mongolcentric perspective as I can; this is not a simple contrarian reaction to Eurocentrism, and I try to be intentional about not casting it too much in that way. It would be easy for me to be seen as simply exploiting a vague, detached, intellectualized, and appropriated view of Mongolia and Mongolic peoples throughout Eurasia, in the service of a little personal superiority over my fellow Europeans. I am aware of that, and attempt to not fall for it.

I study Mongolian, and try to find and give preference to Mongolian sources which can speak for themselves when I talk about Mongolia and the Mongols. It is not my place to speak for or lay claim to Mongolian identity, culture, heritage, or perspectives, in any way, shape or form.

Part of taking on a perspective which is outside the norm is that people expect you to apologize for every bad thing they associate with it, and freely project their anxieties onto it. I do not particularly need to apologize for violence committed by Mongols in the past in order for my Mongolcentrism to be as valid as default Eurocentrism. Eurocentric persons do not, and cannot reasonably, apologize for every historical act of European violence, exploitation, etc., at all times and in all places. There are contexts in which it is very important to interrogate and understand historical violence, but as one might talk about Plato without having to justify or defend against a litany of bad deeds done by Greeks, one can talk about the religious, mythological, poetical, cultural, linguistic, etc., importance of the Mongols without having to talk about whether Chinggis Haan was a particularly-nice guy.

I find it useful to be able to use my Mongolcentrism, not as an abstract thought experiment but as something I care about sincerely, as a challenge to the assumptions of default Eurocentrism. More than that, though, I am genuinely attracted to the beauty and complexity of Mongol arts, culture, history and language.

I hope to be able to add and say more here as time goes by, but I feel that this is a useful first step at talking publicly about my Mongolcentrism, and what the implications of that are for me. What is written here necessarily reflects the aspects of my Mongolcentrism which I have been interrogating and reflecting on most at the time of my writing this, but I hope that it will provide a useful basis for more and more in the future.
This is where I'll be organizing religious content and information.

In the interim, here are a couple of details:


    • I am an ordained priest in the Episcopal Church. Yes, I will bless you, bury you, and hear your confession. Yes, you can call me "Mother", though I wish "Father" were less strongly-gendered. You may address formal letters to me as "The Rev. Juli Mallett", if you like.
    • As a priest, I am self-supporting, which means that I am not engaged in full-time paid ministry with the Church, and work as a software developer to the extent required to exercise my ministry faithfully. Some people refer to that as being "bivocational," but I do not.
    • I think of myself as at least aspiring to being Anglo-Orthodox. I fall pretty well short.
    • I hold a M.Div. from the Episcopal Divinity School, with a special competency is Theory & Practice of Ministry. This is the hip new category we have for what used to be Pastoral Theology, and which I think of as Practical Theology. I received the James Arthur Muller prize for "work of distinction in the historical field."

And a few of the books I've found most influential in my journey as a Christian, seminarian and aspirant, in not much of a particular order:




    • David Tracy, "Plurality and Ambiguity: Hermeneutics, Religion, Hope"
    • G. K. Chesterton, "Orthodoxy"
    • Alexander Schmemann, "For the Life of the World"
    • Kallistos Ware, "The Ordination of Women in the Orthodox Church"
    • Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, "Hymn of the Universe"
    • Vladimir Lossky, "The Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church"

While I'm at it, a similarly-incomplete and likewise-disordered list of articles which have expressed things about my theology, faith and convictions which I have struggled to put into words otherwise:




    • Sarah Coakley, "The Woman at the Altar"
    • Edward Vacek, "The Eclipse of Love for God"

As far as Scriptural influences:




    • I'm very drawn to the book of Jonah. I identify with Jonah quite a bit, particularly his foolishness and stubbornness when challenged by a trickster God. And, I suppose, his eventual growth. As time goes by, I realize that the real difficulty is that we never know if the place we find ourselves is more fish or Nineveh until we're being spat out of it..
    • I like books from the intertestamental period, though I'm slightly hard-pressed to pick just one; sometimes I like to say that the reason I like them is because I, too, find myself living in an intertestamental period, and so can relate to its challenges.
    • In terms of ministry, I feel a great kinship with St. John the Baptist. There was a time when I was considered changing my surname to "St. John" (or some corruption thereof), even.
    • The Psalms are certainly the locus and the heart of the emotional life of the Church, and provide a striking account of the human experience; that means a lot to me.
    • The First Letter of John has become important to me as a source and locus for an apophatic theology from which springs a virtue ethics of integrity, and an apophatic understanding of prophecy.

And while I'm making lists instead of having to synthesize, categorize and summarize, a list of hymns:




    • "Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence" #324 1982 Hymnal of the Episcopal Church
    • "O sons and daughters" ("Filii et Filiae") #206 1982 Hymnal of the Episcopal Church
    • "Now the green blade riseth" #204 1982 Hymnal of the Episcopal Church

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Benno Rice / jeamland:
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I think Benno has been covered plenty in the thread so far. Currently on Core Team and liaison to Security Team.

Steve Wills / swills:
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Port Management Team and Continuous Integration Testing Team. Plenty of commits to FreeBSD. Minimal online presence other than twitter.

https://twitter.com/swills?lang=en

Boxers / Briefs / other

Heh, question assume survey taker is male, which I am, but I think we need to

work on diversity (but not in that “hey, let’s work on diversity and get some

women” way, but more in that we make something everyone wants to use)

This might be a little :offtopic: but still interesting.
 
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Yet another victim of this social cancer. Any organization where SJWs metastasize like cancer soon becomes completely nonfunctional and its only products turn into abject garbage. In the case of "art" like videogames or comic books, this is subjective (although plummeting sales figures are objective), but in the case of a functioning OS, whether or not it's broken is objective.

The fact that some deranged troon shat out an "update" that obliterated systems is objective.
 
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FreeBSD CoC drama has spilled over onto the public mailing lists.

https://marc.info/?l=freebsd-advocacy&m=152011625326409&w=2 (https://archive.fo/2xAoj)
List: freebsd-advocacy
Subject: FreeBSD has a politics problem
From: John Darrah via freebsd-advocacy <freebsd-advocacy () freebsd ! org>
Date: 2018-03-03 22:30:14
Message-ID: HXoHQ8OQK7BVpzxMj5egCkiBqRWK7DSgzFYH-2eflAmVQQMKoZRx1KRBqfKk-e2KeLtj-IQ44NmlYY9ficyqwdFkMT55u75Cr7K6IQkfpaE= () protonmail ! com
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FreeBSD recently introduced an updated Code of Conduct that developers and
members must adhere to. There has been much backlash online about it and
about introducing identity politics into a technical OS project in general.
The Code of Conduct was adopted from the "Geek Feminism" wiki's version,
which claims (among other things) that racism against whites doesn't exist,
sexism against men doesn't exist, and that certain protected classes of
people should not be criticised.

Emails of the internal discussion about this controversial Code of Conduct
have now been leaked publicly, painting a picture of the disagreement in
the FreeBSD project about how this was handled.

A number of developers, particularly benno@, phk@ and des@, have used racist
and sexist remarks against those criticising the far-reaching project policy
change, saying that the concerns about the policy essentially boil down to
"white male privilege" and being "on the wrong side of history".

Other developers expressed concern about the policy being thrown upon them
with no discussion or debate, as well as The FreeBSD Foundation's choice
to pay an outside person (with donations from the users) to work on the
Code of Conduct's enforcement. Said person identifies as a feminist.

Mods on BSD and FreeBSD-related subreddits are censoring posts, removing
threads, and banning users for posting the link. Colin Percival is among
the mods doing the removal. FreeBSD forum mods are also cracking down and
eliminating any discussion. Censorship is not the way to win culture wars.

This file is an email archive in MBOX format. You can open it with any
email client (including the mail or mutt commands) or view it as plaintext
with any text editor. It contains just over 200 emails.

View:
https://privatebin.net/?4c0fb59e63e8271e#irS3KFaEdtuFxsVM4xzQ4/llXLhSz0oZLV9WuOEUHBc=

Download:
https://mega.nz/#!xBpHBSAb!ENyoYPopqGVlx320X-a4ecpRjJBtPvd9jmRT9h57eao
https://my.mixtape.moe/nhybsi.mbox

I encourage you to read and form your own opinions, especially with regard
to how the project is handling donation money.

https://marc.info/?l=freebsd-advocacy&m=152013260929933&w=2 (https://archive.fo/jeazp)
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Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem
From: Ryan Root <rroot () rootautomation ! com>
Date: 2018-03-04 1:47:54
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If politics is when a community had standards it operated by but it showed favoritism \
not disciplining it's members it thought were more important and allowed them to \
harass others until they either left or could be accused of breaking not it's rules \
at time of conflict but this new one they have much more than a political problem. \
They have a legal problem. They don't own the rights to it's code anymore. Ryan Root


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-------- Original message --------From: Conrad Meyer <cem@freebsd.org> Date: 3/3/18 \
3:25 PM (GMT-08:00) To: John Darrah <timmcgrawfan@protonmail.com> Cc: \
freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a \
politics problem John,

A good portion of your original email happens to be inaccurate or
misleading. In the spirit of good faith discussion, I'm going to
assume you're just accidentally misinformed, and not willfully
misrepresenting things. So, some corrections and clarifications
follow.

If you have further questions about the code of conduct, I suggest
reaching out to the drafting committee or core directly. They're nice
people, they don't bite, and they're happy to help clarify intent and
nuance.

Thanks.

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 2:30 PM, John Darrah <timmcgrawfan@protonmail.com> wrote:
> FreeBSD recently introduced an updated Code of Conduct that developers and
> members must adhere to. There has been much backlash online about it and
> about introducing identity politics into a technical OS project in general.
> The Code of Conduct was adopted

In part, with editorial review and modification by a committee of
conscientious project members.

> from the "Geek Feminism" wiki's version,
> which claims (among other things) that racism against whites doesn't exist,

This claim is factually erroneous. The Geek Feminism example
anti-harassment policy simply makes no such claim.

(Furthermore, criticizing the Geek Feminism document is wholly
off-topic for FreeBSD. Our code of conduct is not identical to GF's
example policy. The only conduct document relevant to FreeBSD is the
one at https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html .)

> sexism against men doesn't exist,

This claim is also objectively absent from the plain language of
either document.

> and that certain protected classes of
> people should not be criticised.

Again, this hysterical claim comes from blue sky.

> A number of developers, particularly benno@, phk@ and des@, have used racist
> and sexist remarks

Again, this is a claim made without any evidence. I've briefly
re-skimmed the developers discussion on this topic and don't see any
examples. (And, this accusation is so far outside of Benno's demeanor
as to be completely laughable.) phk@ and des@ have used less
conciliatory language but I still do not see any sexist or racist
remarks.

> against those criticising the far-reaching project policy
> change, saying that the concerns about the policy essentially boil down to
> "white male privilege" and being "on the wrong side of history".

They're entitled to their opinions, as you are. Note that neither
des@ nor phk@ sit on or represent the Core team.

> Other developers expressed concern about the policy being thrown upon them
> with no discussion or debate, as well as The FreeBSD Foundation's choice
> to pay an outside person (with donations from the users) to work on the
> Code of Conduct's enforcement.

The Foundation chooses how to spend donation dollars at its sole
discretion. That's the deal with 501(c)(3) charities. If you want to
pick and choose how your donated dollars are spent, Linux Foundation
is a 501(c)(6).

> Said person identifies as a feminist.

We don't object to contribution from people who identify as
Republican, Catholic, or Pastafarian. Why do you think someone who
identifies as a feminist is incapable of doing a good job advising the
drafting committee?

> Mods on BSD and FreeBSD-related subreddits are censoring posts, removing
> threads, and banning users for posting the link.

This is a misleading oversimplification. FreeBSD-the-project doesn't
control or have any moderation privileges on BSD-topic subreddits.
The only active moderator on one of the subreddits (freebsd) isn't
even a developer, just some random reddit user who happened to
register long ago. Colin Percival happens to have moderation
privileges on the other subreddit (BSD), but again, is acting on his
personal volition. He does not sit on nor represent the Core team.

Most discussions on the code of conduct in both locations have been
left in place, despite fairly low quality discussion. (The usual
name-calling, spreading of outright FUD, othering, etc etc.)

The few posts that have been removed were outright, low-effort
trolling. Not any kind of nuanced criticism of the actual code of
conduct.

Note that links to discussion on the BSD subreddits have been shared
in high drama, non-technical subreddits like r/Drama,
r/KotakuInAction, and r/SJWHate, likely leading to an influx of users
from those other spaces.

> Colin Percival is among the mods doing the removal.

Colin can speak to what has been moderated. Removed subjects and
comments are still easily discovered on reddit archive sites, e.g.,
https://ceddit.com/r/BSD . You can judge whether anything of value
was lost. (I think not, but that's just my opinion.)

Clearly, discussion has not been eliminated. There's tons of active
"discussion" going on. I don't think it's particularly valuable
discourse because the same misrepresentations and outright falsehoods
are repeated over and over again, but it certainly hasn't been
scrubbed clean by moderators (who are mostly not under control of the
project anyway). What has been moderated is largely duplicate threads
trying to game reddit's post ordering system to get repeated
visibility, or low-effort trolling.

> View:
> https://privatebin.net/
>
> Download:
> https://mega.nz/
> https://my.mixtape.moe/

Please do not leak internal, private project emails.

Conrad

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Lunduke put out a video about the FreeBSD stuff. [timestamp 4:24 to skip fluff]. Accuses Benno Rice of sending him a death threat with the tombstone picture, and the leaked mailing list of racism/sexism. He digs into the NodeJS stuff too, bringing up Ashley Williams+rvagg.

Also apparently the FreeBSD security team is a ghost town: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2018-March/018892.html
1. First and foremost: we're not always getting included in embargoes
anymore. This is exemplified by the Spectre/Meltdown FUBAR.

2. secteam is tiny and workload tends to alternate suddenly between
"no work" and "everything is on fire." Are there more than *two*
active members at this time? No one on secteam is full time.

3. Historical policies about not commenting on active vulns when a
patch was not prepared. This is just historical stupidity we haven't
managed to leave behind — if a vuln is being exploited in the wild, we
*must* comment on it. Even if we have to say, "we don't have a
mitigation prepared yet and don't have an ETA." This kind of policy
makes secteam look not just opaque, but foolish.

4. FreeBSD is dying ;).
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Lunduke put out a video about the FreeBSD stuff. [timestamp 4:24 to skip fluff]. Accuses Benno Rice of sending him a death threat with the tombstone picture, and the leaked mailing list of racism/sexism. He digs into the NodeJS stuff too, bringing up Ashley Williams+rvagg.

Also apparently the FreeBSD security team is a ghost town: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2018-March/018892.html
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Heh, so, what do big companies who rely on FreeBSD do? Or, well, I guess no one relies on FreeBSD.

OpenBSD, NetBSD, sure. Routers out the wazoo. Probably some file storage servers or big iron databases.

But I think FreeBSD is like mostly desktop users. Maybe the occasional weird dev who insists on it.
 
The freebsd-advocacy mailing list is blowing up: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2018-March/ (https://archive.fo/7EU0C)

Randi Harper in the replies: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2018-March/004715.html (https://archive.fo/WVzPk)
Randi Harper randi at freebsd.org
Tue Mar 6 01:20:33 UTC 2018



On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Julian H. Stacey <jhs at berklix.com> wrote:

>
> Read https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html
> It's a mess of some sense & some ridiculous, force fed to FreeBSD.
> Expect some not to like force feeding, or proponents thereof.
> Expect forceful opposition to force feeding.
>
> We're waiting for Deb to say if Foundation paid for CoC ?
>
> If so, it would be nice if FreeBSD Foundation got a refund for CoC
> & spent it on a a student janitor to clear up years old send-pr's.
> I agree with the other person's thoughts that FreeBSD fixes uncommited
> for years destroys incentive to file more fixes.
>
>
>
You know, a lot of things happen in FreeBSD that I don't give a flying fuck
about. Research and code is done around hardware and tools that I'll never
use, because they don't fit my needs - and that's ok. Generally speaking,
despite everything, I generally trust that the FreeBSD Foundation and
FreeBSD Core both have the project's health and growth as their top
priority. That trust is important, because I'm just a person with my own
singular set of experiences and priorities, and I can't know everything
that's happening in FreeBSD all the time or make a good judgement call as
to what's needed that fits outside of my own focus.

I don't complain when donated money is used on tech that I'll never use.
This isn't any different. If you think that managing your community should
take less of a priority than managing code, then you might want to sit back
and think for a bit about why the Foundation and Core would bother with
this CoC.

If you disagree with the priorities of the project or the foundation, you
can always make it your goal to get into a position where you are the one
making those decisions. Although I expect that with the amount of
experience and time required, by the time this was achieved, you probably
would have changed your mind about a few things.

I also don't generally advise going to someone on the Foundation and
demanding that they provide receipts, especially when CC:ing a mailing
list. It's not a good look for you or anyone.

Conversations about PRs are great to have. Yes, there's a lot of
maintenance work that needs to be done. But tying that to complaining about
a CoC is disingenuous at best.
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Foundation replies to questions about their involvement, and donations being spent towards the CoC. Stating they spent 0.1% of the annual budget paying a diversity consultant: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2018-March/004721.html (https://archive.fo/myUeG)
deb at freebsdfoundation.org deb at freebsdfoundation.org
Wed Mar 7 16:11:37 UTC 2018



Hello Philip and Josh,

Sorry, for the delay in my response, and thank you for inquiring how we are spending our money. I need to keep this reply short, as I’m on my way to the airport to attend SCALE to promote FreeBSD and recruit more users and contributors to the Project. I will write up a more formal statement after I arrive in California. This week has been tough, with two major conferences happening this week.

To answer Julien’s original question, no, the Foundation did not pay for the CoC. However,, as we’ve been publicizing in our monthly newsletters in 2016 and the FreeBSD quarterly status reports, we did support the new Code of Conduct efforts by paying for a few hours of time for an outside consultant to provide guidance and advice to the CoC review committee made up of volunteers from within and outside the FreeBSD community. The funding comes out of our general funds, like other support we provide to the Project. The consultant did not write the CoC, only provided advice.



To address Philip’s concern, we have always been public with our spending. Please check out our financial reports here:

<https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/about/financials/> https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/about/financials/

When you look at our P&L, you can see that we do not break out every expense. For example, you won’t see how much we spent on individual events, like the Bay Area Vendor Summit, or how much we paid to sponsor AsiaBSDCon or BSDCon. Most of that is lumped into Project Spending expense accounts. Paying for a consultant to provide guidance into making sure the FreeBSD Project is inclusive, welcoming, and safe, is part of our charter of supporting the FreeBSD Project and community. I’ll also include here, that it was important to have that expertise on putting together the reporting process. I understand that there are people on this mailing list that are concerned about how we are spending their donations, and I believe there is a misunderstanding of how much we actually spent on this. To be clear, it was less than .1% of our budget. Over 60% off our budget goes directly to software development, with most of the rest going to release engineering and security team support, FreeBSD infrastructure, and FreeBSD advocacy and education. In fact, here is a list of the areas we supported in 2017, copied from my December blog post:

In 2017, your support helped us advance the Project through:

* Increasing the software development projects we are managing and funding, by internal and external software developers, including the OpenZFS RAID-Z Expansion project, Broadcom Wi-Fi infrastructural improvements (bhnd(4) driver), increasing Intel server support, and extensive progress towards a fully copyfree toolchain.
* Growing the number of FreeBSD contributors and users from our global FreeBSD outreach and advocacy efforts, including expanding into new regions like China, India, Africa, and Singapore.
* Keeping FreeBSD secure and reliable by having staff members fill leadership roles on the Security and Release Engineering teams.
* Starting up nascent internship/stipend programs by participating in the University of Waterloo Co-op program, where we are hiring interns for four-month periods to work directly on FreeBSD, and the University Politehnica Bucharest, where we are providing stipends to students doing research projects with FreeBSD.
* Providing face-to-face opportunities such as developer and vendor summits and company visits to help facilitate collaboration between commercial users and FreeBSD developers,as well as helping to get changes pushed into the FreeBSD source tree, and creating a bigger and healthier ecosystem.
* Utilizing a full-time staff member to ensure stability, reliability and high performance via ongoing maintenance and bug fixes.



Most of you probably noticed that there is no mention of supporting the FreeBSD CoC. That’s because this work was done in 2016. As I mentioned earlier, the bulk of our funding goes directly to supporting the Project, and that includes the salaries of our limited staff. We also spend funding on a Human Resources consultant periodicity, an accountant, an office, computers, and other administrative areas that support our efforts.

As someone who has traveled around the world, meeting FreeBSD contributors who are new to the Project, and also many who have been with it for a long time, I’m always impressed with the passion and love for FreeBSD. I’m here to support our constituents, and listen to what you want us to support. We are not a trade association like some of the other open source foundations out there. Our sole purpose is to support the FreeBSD Project and community. Though, we don’t have enough funding to do the work we are currently doing, we will step in the fill needs of the Project.

Along with my staff, we are committed to supporting this Project. I stand by the support we provided to the community to craft a better Project CoC. As most people know, I will respond over email. If you have specific concerns about the CoC, I’m open to listening. But, please be specific on what concerns you. However, since I was not part of the CoC effort, it would be best to send your concerns directly to the core team, who is working on a process for committers to provide their feedback on the current CoC.



Sincerely,



Deb Goodkin

Executive Director

The FreeBSD Foundation
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Someone made a Benno Rice parody twitter account: https://twitter.com/NearlyBenno (https://archive.fo/NeTEJ)
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The /r/freebsd mods have created an approved discussion thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/822mri/code_of_conduct_thread/ (https://archive.fo/QWzmq)
Code of Conduct thread (self.freebsd)

submitted 2 days ago by dargh

It has been a week since our last CoC thread, so perhaps it is time for another. Certainly the conversation seems to have cooled, I'm not getting any more threats in my inbox, and there seems to be a couple of genuine attempts to engage on the issues rather than calling names.

I understand this is the bikeshed many people want to talk about, and hopefully those left here actually have some interest in FreeBSD rather than the volume of trolls who showed up a few weeks ago.

Some points:

  • I find being a moderator exceedingly dull. I get abuse from both sides about why I'm breaching their first amendment rights (hint, I'm not the US government) or not keeping the conversation under control (I've seen not one offer to help moderate). But while I'm here I'll continue to delete comments which are abusive or obvious trolling or posting of private emails without consent.

  • I unbanned everyone with karma over a few hundred (leaving bans on the obvious trolls or people who directly harassed me). Let's see if people can start again and have a civilised conversation.

  • I'll keep removing new posts from people who just want higher visibility for the same story. I reckon one a week is quite enough.
And some guidelines on how to have a conversation. I'm not going to remove comments for not following these, but please think about them:

  • if you are calling someone names, you've lost the argument

  • if you are talking about how feminists or socialists or some other group of people are causing the downfall of modern society, you are in the wrong forum

  • try to be honest with yourself as well as the community. Will this CoC really cause the dramatic effects you describe? Did the people not supporting their ports really leave because of the CoC? Maybe some did. But to describe everyone no longer writing FreeBSD code as fleeing the project isn't contributing to a useful honest conversation.

  • reference your comments to the actual CoC
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This guy has the narrative down
calligraphic-io 78 points 2 days ago*

Some examples might help. Six months ago, several members of the Node.js board filed a CoC complaint against another Node.js board member (@rvagg) for comments Rod had made on Twitter. The most offensive of Rod's behavior was claiming this article showed potential downsides of CoCs, particularly for people on the autistic spectrum.

The Node.js board held a vote on Rod's behaviour, and Rod avoided being kicked off the board and having his commit bits revoked by 1 vote. The members who were campaigning to remove him over his behaviour were upset with this outcome, and forked Node.js.

In the time between the initial complaint against Rod was made and the vote, someone in the Node community filed a CoC complaint against one of the Node.js board members who filed the complaint against Rod and was active on social media to push ousting Rod. The discriminatory behavior alleged against that member included frequent, recurrent statements like the following:

"never underestimate the wrath of a mildly inconvenienced white dude (and yes it is all dudes complaining)"

"omg last RT. when they have the audacity to ask you to apologize. FUCK YOU MEN FUCK YOU I'M NOT SORRY"

"Kill all men"

“In fact, if you were a white dude and you wanted to talk at the conference, your chances were basically nil.”

I'll quit posting examples of the complained-about behavior; they're voluminous.

During discussions on Hacker News, Reddit, and Github about this CoC complaint, the recurrent defense of this Node.js board member was that by definition it's not possible to have a CoC violation for behavior against a member of the dominant group (meaning white / maybe East Asian too / male / heterosexual, depending on the attack). The Node board never made any announcement about the outcome of the complaint, and obviously found her behaviour A-OK because (AFAIK) she's still on the board.

The terminology "Comments that reinforce systemic oppression" in the proposed FreeBSD CoC is intentionally designed to reach this outcome, and efforts to change this in FreeBSD's CoC to make it apply evenly to everybody will be met with fierce resistance. I doubt anyone has the power to change it to make it fair, given how the FreeBSD CoC Committee has conducted itself so far.

I'd like to add the following:

  1. I'm not a troll. I've used FreeBSD forever. I had a minor commit accepted ten years ago into the boot system (yay Forth!), and I would probably not be allowed to offer such a commit now based only on the comments that I've made in this post, here and now under the proposed CoC. Arguing against a CoC is itself a violation of the CoC because it "reinforces systemic oppression". This isn't hypothetical; it's factual and has already happened in other ecosystems with similar CoCs.

  2. I believe the problem of discriminatory and offensive behavior in the tech community is real, and needs to be addressed. I am white and male, although I grew up in a black foster family (and have some perspective on the issues involved from first-hand things my foster family and friends have told me). I have female friends in the field who've told me some of the crap they have to deal with, and I have a black friend in the field who tells me of racist comments he is somewhat frequently subjected to. I hate that people are subjected to unpleasantness like that. It would be very difficult for me emotionally to endure if I was on the receiving end. I also realize my perspective is very skewed based on my being white and male; I can't imagine behaving like the friends I mentioned described, or that anyone I associate with professionally behaves like that; yet I also know it does happen based on what people I trust tell me.

  3. My issue isn't with CoCs. It's with the unfairness of applying it only to some, and not to everyone, equally.
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I enjoyed this quick back and forth. Mark Linimon being hypocritical with his line about not wanting to watch what he says.
The word "leaked"
Andras Farkas deepbluemistake at gmail.com
Mon Mar 5 04:24:36 UTC 2018


> Please do not leak internal, private project emails.
> It is really unfortunate that these emails were leaked.
If you want to engage in secrecy, conspiracy, hiding, and sneaking:
work on closed source software, not open source software.
What do you have to hide from FreeBSD users? Why should users trust
people who hide things from them?
I'm not joking. Why work on open-source software if you dislike open-source?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
Go get a job with a for-profit corporation, sign a NDA, and have all
the secrecy you desire.

This has nothing to do with the subject of any leaked email, but with
the fact that it's even considered a leak.



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Mark Linimon linimon at lonesome.com
Mon Mar 5 08:37:35 UTC 2018



On Sun, Mar 04, 2018 at 11:24:34PM -0500, Andras Farkas wrote:
> What do you have to hide from FreeBSD users? Why should users trust
> people who hide things from them?
When I posted email to an internal list, I was under the impression
that it would remain confidential.

Someone, I don't know who, has violated that presumption of confidentiality;
that rudeness seems to have been skipped in this meta-discussion.

The way I might say something to someone in a small group of people may
not be the same way I would phrase it if I knew I was talking to the
whole world. I might feel freer to express doubts and questions without
having every single word I said analyzed for correctness, by N people,
M of whom I don't even know.

If I have to carefully police every single thing I say in every single
venue, so that someone, somewhere, won't raise a stink, I might as well
give up this hobby and just read webcomics.

mcl
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Code is harder than people, though. There's no problem with a person that can't be solved with a small piece of lead moving at high velocity.

I want to see someone write a Code of Conduct that can be compiled into something that does your taxes. Once anyone does that, I'll be okay with them.
 
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I feel for this whole thread since the eggplant emoji incident. FOSS is already bogged down with autistic slapfights over standards (see: Cannonical-backed Mir versus Wayland) and they really don't need SJW cancer actively driving away contributors. As a programmer, a contributor to FOSS programs I use, and sane human being, it's not surprising people are bailing like rats off a sinking ship.

In a way, being able to fork these projects it's both a boon an a curse. They can continue to work on the project unmolested, but they now have to cherrypick commits from upstream if they intend to stay in parallel, not to mention they lose a large chunk of the contributors that stay behind. You have to find people who are willing to fill their shoes and also understand the portion they worked on well.

tl;dr FOSS was impotent autism, is becoming cancerous autism, but by it's very design allows it a chance to either break away or ultimately sabotage itself.
 
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GZdoom is now a botnet used to mine cryptocurrency and harass women send telemetry: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=59787 (https://archive.fo/SKBGo)
GZStats: A quick rundown
by Rachael » Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:59 pm

One thing both myself and Graf have been working on is a stats collector. We wanted to make sure we had a working implementation before unveiling it.

What is it?

This is a little mini background function that runs at the start of GZDoom which will send us some very generalized anonymous statistics about the hardware it is being run on.

Why are you doing it?

The purpose of this is to allow us to make informed decisions about hardware deprecation - i.e. if it is time to move on from OpenGL 2.x, whether to drop support for 32-bit processors, how viable a Vulkan engine will be at this point, etc. This is to avoid blindly making decisions about deprecating hardware or making assumptions about it without knowing how many people it will actually affect.

How often does it run?

Depends on how much you wipe your config. If you tend to hold on to your config like most people do, only once per renderer. So it will run the first time you run in Software mode, and the first time you run in OpenGL.

I don't have internet. Will GZDoom still run?

Yes. This little process was very specifically designed to be non-intrusive and, if it cannot find the server it will save its statistics info for next time. It only attempts one connection before it gives up, and GZDoom will run in the foreground while this is happening. The whole thing has absolutely no interaction from the user and it should not even cause the game to stutter. It's also a quick-fire - i.e. attempt it, and it's either successful or not, but either way it's done.

But my privacy!

This was very specifically designed in such a way that there is absolutely no way we can personally identify you. At worst, you'll have an entry in our web server's access log. Big whoop - guess what, you leave plenty of those entries no matter where you go on the web! Anyway, outside of very non-identifiable statistics about your hardware, no personally identifying information is ever collected or sent. We won't even know what wads you're running. We won't even know if you used Doom or Doom 2. Or Heretic. Or Strife. It doesn't even tell us that. All we'll know is there's yet one more person who has a dual-core processor and still running OpenGL 2.something on Windows 10 32-bit, we can't even tell if it's 2.0 or 2.1. We won't even know how much RAM you have.

What info does it send?

To be very specific, it only sends the following information:

Operating System Type: (GZDoom picks only one of the following)
XP (or older)
Vista/7/8/8.1 32-bit
Vista/7/8/8.1 64-bit
Win10 32-bit
Win10 64-bit
A special case if you're using WOW64 (you downloaded 32-bit but you're using a 64-bit OS)
Mac 32-bit
Mac 64-bit
Linux/BSD 32-bit
Linux/BSD 64-bit
Linux/BSD ARM
Linux/BSD PPC

Processor Cores: (GZDoom only picks one of these)
Single, Dual, Quad, Hexa, or Octa (or higher)

Renderer Type: (GZDoom only picks one of these)
Software (No HW2D)
Software (Legacy Direct3D, SM 1.4)
Software (Modern Direct3D, SM 2.0 or later)
Software (OpenGL)
OpenGL (Legacy <3.3)
OpenGL (Modern >=3.3)
Using OpenGL (but has Vulkan Support)
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8/v/ is pissed
https://8ch.net/v/res/14493144.html (https://archive.fo/b6cyu)
(((GZStats))) will be added to new versions of QZDoom/GZDoom. The process is meant to collect some anonymous data about players and send them to the GZDoom HQ. The data will be used strictly to enhance your experience goy.

>One thing both myself and Graf have been working on is a stats collector. We wanted to make sure we had a working implementation before unveiling it.
>This is a little mini background function that runs at the start of GZDoom which will send us some very generalized anonymous statistics about the hardware it is being run on.
>The purpose of this is to allow us to make informed decisions about hardware deprecation - i.e. if it is time to move on from OpenGL 2.x, whether to drop support for 32-bit processors, how viable a Vulkan engine will be at this point, etc. This is to avoid blindly making decisions about deprecating hardware or making assumptions about it without knowing how many people it will actually affect.
>This was very specifically designed in such a way that there is absolutely no way we can personally identify you. At worst, you'll have an entry in our web server's access log. Big whoop - guess what, you leave plenty of those entries no matter where you go on the web! Anyway, outside of very non-identifiable statistics about your hardware, no personally identifying information is ever collected or sent.
>To be very specific, it only sends the following information:
>Operating System Type
>Processor Cores
>Renderer Type
<but it cannot be opted out
<can only be disabled by rewriting and recompiling the source or by .ini hacks
<but microsoft does it too, so it's okay
<why don't you trust us goyim
<why do you want to skew the results, huh?
<if you don't like it, fork your own build
<massive butthurt on the forum ensues
<the lead devs refuse to make telemetry optional
<the reasoning is that it's difficult to put another checkbox onto the launcher
<they got called out on their bullshit
<now they start to threaten users with opengl 4 support, if they don't accept the telemetry

tl;dr (((The Eternal Graf))) wants to justify his laziness and incompetence by building telemetry into GZDoom and removing support for "unused hardware". The plan is that by collecting data on all users, they would be able to determine which renderers, OSes, video cards are meant "to be focused on" and which ones aren't used by enough people to justify their support and should be promptly abandoned. The community lashed out. The devs tries to suppress any wrongthink. The fire rises.

Made some quality OC for more info about their shenanigans.


OTHER NEWS

>VULKAN SUPPORT INCOMING
sometime later, when Graf will have more free time.

>OPENGL 4.X SUPPORT SOON
to ensure up-to-date quality and graphics in a 25 years old game. According to Graf Zahl, the upgrade to OpenGL 4.x should've happened ages ago and it was only postponed due to laziness OpenGL 2.x-only users.

>THE LAST DAYS OF THE SOFTWARE RENDERER ARE HERE
but the other dangerously retarded dev is still trying to maintain QZDoom and it's truecolor software renderer. Graf is still firmly against such a waste of time. OpenGL 4 is the future goys.

>WINDOWS XP WON'T BE SUPPORTED FOR LONG
and support for Windows XP will most likely be dropped in the near future. The reasoning is that WinXP users are "weirdos" and according to Steam, they make up less than 1% of the users. They have to go.

>DEPLORABLES NOT WELCOME
said Graf referring to users with no OpenGL 4 or Vulkan support, low-end video cards or using anything but Windows 10 as OS. The lead developer expressed his frustration and now openly wants to leave these users behind, accusing them with stubborness and paranoia for refusing to upgrade. The so-called "retro-gaming community" might be more endangered than ever.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE
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I found the flag: cmake .. -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release -DSEND_ANON_STATS=OFF

The FreeBSD dram has died off. No one in a position of power is commenting on any of the criticism. Just minor grumblings from Benno Rice and Randi Harper.
https://twitter.com/jeamland/status/973889953963786240 (https://archive.fo/x2iHs)
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Randi Harper reiterating meritocracy is sexist or something: https://twitter.com/randileeharper/status/973878171605938176 (https://archive.fo/Ayn9w)
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Randi Harper reiterating meritocracy is sexist or something: https://twitter.com/randileeharper/status/973878171605938176 (https://archive.fo/Ayn9w)
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I'm inclined to write off this "meritocracy" bitching as taking
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a bit too seriously, but then I remember everything Randi has accomplished
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At least Randi's annual income is following the trend of those ethical video game journalists who marketed her, rather than that techbro meritocracy.

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Good thing she "left" while she could.
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Edit: In all seriousness, does anyone know anything Randi has done since she was supposed to rework GGAutoBlocker?
Other than not acknowledging anything that happened at Crash Override.
 

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