Culture Over 4 million Gen Zers are jobless—and experts blame colleges for ‘worthless degrees’ and a system of broken promises for the rising number NEETs

  • Over 4 million Gen Zers are not in school or work in the U.S. and in the U.K. 100,000 young people joined the NEETs cohort. But it’s not generational laziness that’s to blame. Experts are taking swipes at “worthless degrees” and a system that “is failing to deliver on its implicit promise.”
There’s been a mass derailment when it comes to Gen Z and their careers: about a quarter of young people are now deemed NEETs—meaning they are no longer in education, employment, or training.

While some Gen Zers may fall into this category because they are taking care of a family member, many have become frozen out of the increasingly tough job market where white-collar jobs are becoming seemingly out of reach.

In the U.S., this translates to an estimated over 4.3 million young people not in school or work. Across the pond in the U.K., the situation is also only getting worse, with the number of NEET young people rising by over 100,000 in the last year alone.

A British podcaster went so far as to call the situation a “catastrophe”—and cast a broad-stroke blame on the education system.

“In many cases, young people have been sent off to universities for worthless degrees which have produced nothing for them at all,” the political commentator, journalist and author, Peter Hitchens slammed colleges last week. “And they would be much better off if they apprenticed to plumbers or electricians, they would be able to look forward to a much more abundant and satisfying life.”

With millions of Gen Zers waking up each day feeling left behind, there needs to be a “wake-up call” that includes educational and workplace partners stepping up, Jeff Bulanda, vice president at Jobs for the Future, tells Fortune.

Higher education’s role in the rising number of NEET Gen Zers​

There’s no question that certain fields of study provide a more direct line to a long-lasting career—take, for example, the healthcare industry. In the U.S. alone, over a million net new jobs are expected to be created in the next decade among home health aids, registered nurses, and nurse practitioners.

On the other hand, millions of students graduate each year with degrees with a less clear career path, leaving young adults underemployed and struggling to make ends meet. And while the long-term future may be bright—with an average return on investment for a college degree being 681% over 40 years, plus promises of Great Wealth Transfer—it may be coming too late for students left with ballooning student loans in an uncertain job market.

Too much time has been focused on promoting a four-year degree as the only reliable route, despite the payoff being more uneven and uncertain, says Bulanda. Other pathways, like skilled trade professionals, should be a larger share of the conversation.

“It's critical that young people are empowered to be informed consumers about their education, equipped with the information they need to weigh the cost, quality, and long-term value of every path available to them,” Bulanda says.

Lewis Maleh, CEO of Bentley Lewis, a staffing and recruitment agency, echoes that colleges should do better at communicating with students about career placement as well as non-academic barriers to entering the workforce, like mental health support and resilience development.

“Universities aren't deliberately setting students up to fail, but the system is failing to deliver on its implicit promise,” Maleh tells Fortune.

“The current data challenges the traditional assumption that higher education automatically leads to economic security.”

What’s caused a NEET crisis—and what can be done?​

Rising prices on everything from rent and gasoline to groceries and textbooks have put a damper on Gen Z, with some even having to turn down their dream job offers because they cannot afford the commute or work clothes.

Plus, with others struggling to land a job in a market changing by the minute thanks to artificial intelligence, it’s no wonder Gen Z finds doomscrolling at home more enjoyable than navigating an economy completely different than what their teachers promised them.

The United Nations agency warns there are still “too many young people” with skills gaps, and getting millions of young people motivated to get back into the classroom or workforce won’t be easy.

Efforts should include ramping up accessible entry points like apprenticeships and internships, especially for disengaged young people, as well as building better bridges between industries and education systems, Maleh says.

Above all, better and more personalized career guidance is key, Bulanda adds.

“When you don’t know what options exist, no one is helping you connect the dots, and the next step feels risky or out of reach—it’s no surprise that so many young people pause,” he says. “The question isn’t why they disconnect; it’s why we haven’t done a better job of recognizing that the old ways aren’t working anymore, and young people need more options and better support to meet them where they are.”
 
Simultaneously we need infinite migrants forever because somehow there aren't enough people to fill the job market.
I have a contract job that provides a great example of the modern work force. As much as people talk about retarded Pajeets keeping their jobs, there is seemingly a limit so most places end up running on a skeleton crew because it's too late to hire new people.
 
talk to those who did get a job and those hiring them and ask why they’re ahead.
At least in the tech industry the answer is "I graduated before the end of 2022."
I don't know any post-COVID programmers that are employed, doesn't matter the school or experience. I'm talking two, approaching 3 graduating classes of people with internships just SOL. Also I know there's the whole "just find something to get by" angle but you actually can be overqualified for mcjobs with certain degrees and not get hired because you're expected to instantly jump ship when something relevant to your education becomes available.
 
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Don't forget a lot of official reemployment services (State-funded) being shit.




There's an increasing amount of young people just getting thoroughly demoralized. It's been a thing in the UK for a while, in Japan for longer, and is starting to be a thing in America.

I pray we get something sorted out.
have they tried
i don't know
paying a fucking wage?

never mind
i forgot for a split moment society is run by retards
 
Not a zoomer but (PL) it's been 2.5 fucking years of job searching for me with no results but being ghosted at various points in various interview processes, including with several major corporations such as Ford, Ciena, etc. I have experience, I have a degree, I am willing to move anywhere in Leafland (or outside of it, in fact preferably outside of it), I have no expectations regarding pay except that it is enough to cover living expenses, transportation, and another few percent for savings and incidentals. I have found nothing.

Am I too white? Am I too straight? Am I too male? Who knows, probably. If I hadn't been saving for a house I'd be destitute, or a criminal by now, simply because not one person will employ me, even for a simple labor job. Shit, just a few weeks ago I hit up literally every temp agency in my area and was denied by all of them because "I wouldn't be a good fit for <X> work", despite me saying that I would haul rocks with my bare hands if it would cover my bills. Nobody is hiring unless you're a jeet or you fit a DEI category so they can get a government kickback.

A lot of people in this thread haven't had to find a job in many years, and it shows. I assure you, effort into the job searching process means nothing. The zoomers who have jobs got them through friends or sheer luck. Laziness is not a factor, the few who have jobs have the same distribution of laziness as the NEETs. If you think the ones who have given up are soft for giving up, you're delusional. They gave up because society gave up on them, it's that simple.
 
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I'm focusing on getting my degree right now and getting it without any loans is my priority, so even if I'm getting my degree later than others, it won't make much difference because the job market is awful for basically anyone.

I don't know how much of the blame goes to the H1-B visas taking jobs from Americans and/or the recruiters (mostly women) having ridiculously high standards looking for their perfect candidate. Despite the hatred for reddit, it's apparent looking at subreddits like r/jobs and r/recruitinghell that both young and old, graduates, people are trying to get their foot in the job market, but aren't getting squat.
 
I have a contract job that provides a great example of the modern work force. As much as people talk about retarded Pajeets keeping their jobs, there is seemingly a limit so most places end up running on a skeleton crew because it's too late to hire new people.
Yeah, I've heard and seen this. It sucks.

At least in the tech industry the answer is "I graduated before the end of 2022."
I don't know any post-COVID programmers that are employed, doesn't matter the school or experience. I'll talking two, approaching 3 graduating classes of people with internships just SOL. Also I know there's the whole "just find something to get by" angle but you actually can be overqualified for mcjobs with certain degrees and not get hired because you're expected to instantly jump ship when something relevant to your education becomes available.

McJobs filtering people out for having degrees by going "you're overqualified" is horseshit and I fucking don't get why they're like that. Like, yeah, it's gonna be a job hopping spree. What's the big deal? You've got a low skilled job opening and overqualified applicants.

have they tried
i don't know
paying a fucking wage?

never mind
i forgot for a split moment society is run by retards
Dude, where I'm at, they claim they need a billion people for things of a white collar nature. Non medical hospital staff, teachers, clerks, etc. But then they just filter them out en masse, the job postings stay up forever, and then I wind up asking a friend of a friend if they've heard anything and it turns out that sometimes noone's hiring, or the hiring people are idiots, or etc. Some job postings are entry level but want seemingly unicorn specs of 5+ years of exp, 2-3 certs that one doesn't just get from college, etc.

Not a zoomer but (PL) it's been 2.5 fucking years of job searching for me with no results but being ghosted at various points in various interview processes, including with several major corporations such as Ford, Ciena, etc. I have experience, I have a degree, I am willing to move anywhere in Leafland (or outside of it, in fact preferably outside of it), I have no expectations regarding pay except that it is enough to cover living expenses, transportation, and another few percent for savings and incidentals. I have found nothing.

Am I too white? Am I too straight? Am I too male? Who knows, probably. If I hadn't been saving for a house I'd be destitute, or a criminal by now, simply because not one person will employ me, even for a simple labor job. Shit, just a few weeks ago I hit up literally every temp agency in my area and was denied by all of them because "I wouldn't be a good for for <X> work", despite be saying that I would haul rocks with my bare hands if it would cover my bills. Nobody is hiring unless you're a jeet or you fit a DEI category so they can get a government kickback.

A lot of people in this thread haven't had to find a job in many years, and it shows. I assure you, effort into the job searching process means nothing. The zoomers who have jobs got them through friends or sheer luck. Laziness is not a factor, the few who have jobs have the same distribution of laziness as the NEETs. If you think the ones who have given up are soft for giving up, you're delusional. They gave up because society gave up on them, it's that simple.
There's also the whole thing with weirdly shitty management/supervisors that seem to be even more present. A buddy of mine got terminated in his probation phase and never got an explanation of what he did wrong (tutor at a college). Apparently his HR file is clean, so it's probably something his supervisor thinks is a bad vibe. But according to him, they didn't really do any training. Half the employee handbook is DEI boilerplate shit. I feel for him. He couldn't even get HR to give him a callback on the reason for termination until 3 weeks later, when he found out it was some generic line of "services no longer required". He's conservative, but doesn't talk about it. His boss was the type of lefty boomer that went on about late stage capitalism.


There's plenty of young adults and trainable adults. Hell, shit jobs wouldn't be a big issue either.

  • HR is broken beyond belief and fucks up the processes of hiring.
  • Companies keep raising the bar for entry level jobs.
  • Young adults are increasingly moving in with family since 2020. YA in this context means under 40.
  • The rugpull over all of this that's kinda broken the camel's back has been the final breaking of the old social contract. After 2020, companies are looking more for "experience" over a degree/cert. And DEI.
  • Lots of companies can't pay a proper living wage for the area.
  • Lots of places just have crap supervisors/management, don't train properly, or just refuse to take anyone who they think may be too overqualified.

I'm focusing on getting my degree right now and getting it without any loans is my priority, so even if I'm getting my degree later than others, it won't make much difference because the job market is awful for basically anyone.
Best wishes. Hope it's in something that's seemingly evergreen like Healthcare or Accounting.
I don't know how much of the blame goes to the H1-B visas taking jobs from Americans and/or the recruiters (mostly women) having ridiculously high standards looking for their perfect candidate. Despite the hatred for reddit, it's apparent looking at subreddits like r/jobs and r/recruitinghell that both young and old, graduates are trying to get their foot in the job market, but aren't getting squat.
You're not wrong. Everything's fucked. Hiring processes are fucked. I've noticed that female recruiters, often the overprivileged or dumb kind, are usually the ones with insane standards. I tried looking at a clerical admin job, entry level, and it wanted me to be freshly graduated with 7 years of experience and have experience in programming C++. For a clerical admin job at a masonry manufacturer.
 
It is the student's responsibility to determine what path they will take. It is incumbent on them to ask questions and seek guidance to make the best decision possible.
I'm going to go bat for them and argue that most of the blame does not rest on them. Both parents and teachers push you to go to college. They tell you over and over that you won't get anywhere without a degree. Yet, at the same time, they'll also tell you to study whatever you want. Trade jobs were hardly ever mentioned and maintained the image of low wage manual labor.
 
What bullshit. First, don't believe there are anywhere near 4 million NEETS in our country

It seems a bit high, but I can believe it. A more interesting representation is what percentage of a graduating class is falling into this category.

It's easy to believe that a solid 10% of classes are fucked just by being terminally online lgbtards. Even if they go to college they'll major in the African studies bullshit that starts off many a barista's career. You can probably add another 10% of that class to the code monkey useless degree field who will struggle and add to a bloated unemployed low-effort IT field. 20 years ago it was the basic bitch IT Technologies degree that led to lvl 1 IT positions at best, now it's degrees in basic programming which even before AI was getting upended in the market. If I can learn python through a phone app, your degree is worthless. At least they have a solid base for finding a niche such as securities. Add another 10% from that class and you can throw all the liberal arts, social worker degrees in here too.

If 30% of a graduating class is immediately passing employment to NEEThood after they paid for university, these people are fucked and it's a problem. But is that 30% equal to 4 million people? That's an awful lot of sitting around on their hands after failing out of college and never realizing improvement needs to be made.
 
"Why don't you just join the trades? It's good money."
so is stripping, but both aren't the type of jobs you want to be doing in your 50s. plus those office jobs do end up paying better, i remember feeling like Schindler at the end of that film knowing i was making more than friends working 80 hrs and 3x as hard while sitting at a desk in an air conditioned office using Excel. those warehouse jobs that pay also make you work the entire time, meanwhile everyone knows in an office you're getting paid for 40 hrs but working less than 20.

Also aren't you a longshoreman? because of the unions thats just office level work but in the trades, you're stealing valor like a motherfucker. even the most retarded college students know you always say yes to union jobs.
Low Voltage workers (networking cable) get a little over $60/hour in total compensation for pulling new network cable. On the job training, no experience
not around here, you're clearing $15/hr
The zoomers seem to be getting that harder than the millenials.
my parents mocked us as kids because they weren't going to use what connections they had and their friends weren't exactly going to be able to help us secure jobs anyways.

zoomers are fucked because their parents don't have the connections or pull that the silent generation had. I can name only a handful of people under 40 who's parents had the type of job where they could get their kid "an in" but for the rest of them they were either too low in the corporation or the job was too specific or they were retarded enough to "own their own business" in a sector that was dying.

Even then the "in" was literally helping their kid work at a store in the mall or something else that any asshole could get with a firm handshake pre-recession.

the one two combo of everything being online and hr has to review the resume before it even gets into the hands of a manager means even with nepotism it takes a shockingly long time to get results. My cousin had to wait like a year of constantly applying to the same job before his uncle-in law who was the manager finally got access to his resume from HR, the software kept rejecting it or some bullshit like that.

So unless your mom is an HR girlie (probably not, those mostly seem to be barren women everywhere i worked) you're fucked
"I wouldn't be a good fit for <X> work", despite me saying that I would haul rocks with my bare hands if it would cover my bills. Nobody is hiring unless you're a jeet or you fit a DEI category so they can get a government kickback.
its true, i lied on a resume about my race recently and straight up out of a 100 person workforce there were 5 white dudes and half of them were married to an asian woman who nepo'd them into the job. In general i'd say most jobs i've had i've been the token white guy, or there was a "token" white guy. especially in 100 person work forces.

The second you needed certs or clearances its apparently different, but anything that doesn't involve some colorblind qualification means no white men.
It seems a bit high, but I can believe it. A more interesting representation is what percentage of a graduating class is falling into this category.

It's easy to believe that a solid 10% of classes are fucked just by being terminally online lgbtards. Even if they go to college they'll major in the African studies bullshit that starts off many a barista's career. You can probably add another 10% of that class to the code monkey useless degree field who will struggle and add to a bloated unemployed low-effort IT field. 20 years ago it was the basic bitch IT Technologies degree that led to lvl 1 IT positions at best, now it's degrees in basic programming which even before AI was getting upended in the market. If I can learn python through a phone app, your degree is worthless. At least they have a solid base for finding a niche such as securities. Add another 10% from that class and you can throw all the liberal arts, social worker degrees in here too.

If 30% of a graduating class is immediately passing employment to NEEThood after they paid for university, these people are fucked and it's a problem. But is that 30% equal to 4 million people? That's an awful lot of sitting around on their hands after failing out of college and never realizing improvement needs to be made.
i checked the article, the 4 million means about 10% of Gen Z which they define as 18-24, what they don't tell you is that thats actually a 15 year record low by their own data (it was 15% back in 2010, i wonder why?) and most of that NEET population were the ones unlucky enough not to go to college for some reason (can't get parents to cosign loans/secretly an illegal/genuinely hate school)

The ones that have a college degree and can't find a job is about 2-4%, but i think thats also because they define being in "education" as a job so those people in college for 7 years aren't included in the percentage.

Also this article is focused on the UK which has an entirely different education system so it probably is extremely tough to find a job.
 
What bullshit. First, don't believe there are anywhere near 4 million NEETS in our country. Second, while colleges and universities may offer unemployable majors, nobody forces these students to pursue these majors. Third, many students attend trade schools, community colleges, or apprenticeship programs. Some people go right into the job market, doing various jobs.

It is the student's responsibility to determine what path they will take. It is incumbent on them to ask questions and seek guidance to make the best decision possible. And very, very few people have a linear career. Most of us will change majors in college, or try different lines of work, or try alternative routes. This is America, the land of the second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth chances, as long as you don't disqualify yourself by your own actions or lack thereof.
Agreed. Plus a lot of these NEETS are just on unemployment, disability or living at home on their spineless parents dime
 
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The ones that have a college degree and can't find a job is about 2-4%, but i think thats also because they define being in "education" as a job so those people in college for 7 years aren't included in the percentage.

I think it's important to note that if you can get a degree, you can certainly hold many jobs from menial to slightly less menial. Whether those jobs are in your preferred field is another story. I have a feeling that 2 to 4% is the people who can't get a job in their field and are too pompous to push a broom instead. That percentage is essentially the bottom of the barrel of survival instincts, no sense of propriety, etc...
 
Halt all immigration.
Fucking offload all foreign workers to their home countries. With force if necessary.
Actually commit to mass deportations. The 'hard' kind.
And fuck optics, tell people flatly that the indoctrination to perceive a 'labor shortage' as a bad thing is complete horseshit designed to mollify the working class who is being replaced by stinky fucking pajeets and niggers from darkest Africa.
There. That's %50 of the damn problem solved.
 
PL but I can’t even get a shit job any retard can do because I’m overqualified and they know it, and they would rather hire some boomer or pajeet that would do it until they gracelessly expire. I have something now but I have to beg for more hours because they hired like twenty people at once. The problem is that there is absolutely too many people looking for work, and I’ve been told that I’m a perfect candidate for several positions but theres just simply too many other applicants.
 
I think it's important to note that if you can get a degree, you can certainly hold many jobs from menial to slightly less menial. Whether those jobs are in your preferred field is another story. I have a feeling that 2 to 4% is the people who can't get a job in their field and are too pompous to push a broom instead. That percentage is essentially the bottom of the barrel of survival instincts, no sense of propriety, etc...
to be fair another big reason might be because of "on campus jobs" pushing down that percentage. i swear it was like you couldn't reject someone even if it meant kids getting 10hr a week. like most of these college protestors being arrested all seem to have some fucking "on campus job"
 
I'm on the side that most of the Zoomers are just too lazy to get a job. There are plenty of jobs out there right now, including blue collar and white collar jobs. People seem to find all kinds of excuses to not work. Either the pay isn't high enough, it doesn't fit with their exact skillset (what job does?), it asks for something like salary history or whatever (who cares?), they quit because they get 'micromanaged' too much (you're new, that's to be expected), or 'overworked' (why do you think you get a salary?), etc.

A bunch of people who want to retire cannot because there isn't anyone to replace them. Sure, they 'retire' but they inevitably get a phone call from their employer offering them huge sums of money to do 'consulting' because those companies can't find a replacement. The companies have plenty of cash to pay someone, they just can't find someone to do the work.

I think weed is another factor. Weed is practically nonexistent in Asia while it is becoming ubiquitous in the West. Weed makes people lazy, stupid, and short-tempered. This makes it easier for Asians to get jobs out of college over natives. But there are enough government jobs and Fed Con jobs out there that can't be done by non-citizens that Zoomers can easily find work if they just stop being lazy fat retards for a few hours every day.
 
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To quote a certain lolcow

"This is what happens when you let the retards take over education and brainwash everyone. The retrds took over and now look at this. The students have all mushybrains. And I the last remaining orange man must whip them to shape. HELLO RETARD!"
Who said that?
 
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