Overwatch

[Mike Hunt]

Moyer: "Venture is our first trans non-binary hero"

MATI, but how the fuck can trans and non-binary co-exist in the same being other than trying to climb higher the super special Tumblrina ladder? Trans implies you'd rather have the genitals of the opposite gender, thus cementing the fact that you actually have a concept of yourself being one of the two genders.

Or maybe I'm not woke enough to understand. Pity for Overwatch, it was a good game at its onset with very interesting characters and design, if imbalanced. But game balance can be tweaked, intentional bad design to please a market segment unlikely to play your game can't be undone without hordes of the same shits who don't play your game suddenly giving a shit because diversity and shit. All to the detriment of people who do play the game.

 

[Vect]

they stopped making porn from this slob awhile ago and blizzard makes sure their new characters are ugly enough not to encourage more.

A simple Google search would prove both of these statements irrevocably false.

 

[Tanner Glass]

MATI, but how the fuck can trans and non-binary co-exist in the same being other than trying to climb higher the super special Tumblrina ladder? Trans implies you'd rather have the genitals of the opposite gender, thus cementing the fact that you actually have a concept of yourself being one of the two genders.

Or maybe I'm not woke enough to understand. Pity for Overwatch, it was a good game at its onset with very interesting characters and design, if imbalanced. But game balance can be tweaked, intentional bad design to please a market segment unlikely to play your game can't be undone without hordes of the same shits who don't play your game suddenly giving a shit because diversity and shit. All to the detriment of people who do play the game.

Worse yet - imagine being visibly trans in Overwatch's setting (hyper advanced, super future, 60 years in the future, fully sentient robots, bringing people back from the dead). They've figured out so many things in the setting but can't fathom that genetic editing/modification/plastic surgery likely exist.

 

[74164978231]

they stopped making porn from this slob awhile ago and blizzard makes sure their new characters are ugly enough not to encourage more.

Nah the bros are still cranking out as much R34 as ever, its just the initial newness/hilarity of it has worn off(remember OW released in 2016). I think its because theres really been nothing to come along since to replace it. Games in general(outside of the obvious coomer gotcha p2w asian ones like Genshin) are being made ever less sexual as time goes on so nothing "better" to switch to.

Just look at how much jimmy rustling Steller Blade has caused. And thats not anything more risque than Samus or 2B or Bayonetta was.

Worse yet - imagine being visibly trans in Overwatch's setting (hyper advanced, super future, 60 years in the future, fully sentient robots, bringing people back from the dead). They've figured out so many things in the setting but can't fathom that genetic editing/modification/plastic surgery likely exist.

Yeah thats one of the telltale signs the whole trans bullshit is absolutely nothing about genuinely being the other gender. Its 100% performative for attention or worse in most cases some sexual pervesion thats being forced on others.

 

[Cactus Concerto]

Story of OW's life: they could have done this "UwU I'm so spwecial" Tumblr bullshit better.

Theoretically, Echo could have been the game's first 'non-binary' hero. Non-binary in the old fun way (i.e. make a good character and have the Tumblr specials project whatever bullshit they want onto it, but never, ever create a character for the sole purpose of fellating the fucks). If only because the entire core of her character identity is "copy this, copy that." Having a sentient machine lack a sense of self due to its programming and entire purpose, hindered further by her creator being dead and thus leading her to have no nurturing, guidance, or assistance that isn't entirely for the benefit of whoever wants to use Echo that day, could have been interesting. When she cocoons, she even looks like those 'eggs' these circles love breaking so much, it's perfect! It would also help fill in the holes of her character design and story dissonance connection, though that would likely also require re-working her existing kit. Maybe throw a shielding ability her way to replace her melt beam, allow her wobbly bombs to also heal nearby allies upon a kill, and bam.

Venture, if they weren't dumb fucks, should have just been MtF. "Yep, here's a short king who went female, isn't science in our future wonderful? All you special gender babies get everything you could ever need! It's a real scientifically chopped woman! Huzzah!" However, as mentioned above, it's not actually about the medical and mental turmoil of constantly feeling like you're in the wrong body for these people and alleviating the negative effects of a mental defect: it's about appearances, plain and simple.

Regardless, in this reality, the Venture shit is stupid. She's a girl with shitty teeth and a qUiRkY personality who let herself go and feels terrible because there are more fuckable chubby nerd women in the future (Mei) and out of a line up of every character in OW, people would pick Roadhog's slab o' bacon over her weird punch-able face any day. She's the perfect self-insert of some of the most insufferable fuckers on the planet, portrayed in a good light because self-reflection doesn't exist, and I hate her for it. From a kit perspective, she's fine, ig? I've barely played her.

Disclaimer: Humoured the non-binary/trans thing for the sake of the post, I do not think Venture should actually be trans at all.

 

[ZMOT]

They've been going after "gg ez" for a long time.
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didn't help, I still remember at least one piece of some journo whining that the new text system made him feel even more like shit because in his head he automatically defaulted to people making fun of him spamming "great game, everyone!"

you just can't win against personified soy.

Story of OW's life: they could have done this "UwU I'm so spwecial" Tumblr bullshit better.

want some real easymode? make her hot, make her futa. there, instant special snowflake status with coomers to get off to. literally every checkbox you could tick and then hide behind progressiveness.

 

[FatalTater]

The writers/promoters of Overwatch are missing a vital thing about fandom.

People like to use their imaginations.

Spoonfeeding fans all this stuff will not make up for all your sins, Blizzard.
Return our loot boxes and stop this bullshit.

 

[Z6HGR-8V8TM-GXEWM]

The libtards' tears over Overwatch's automated reporting system are great. They have always been the most toxic garbage in every match; those who played still remember healers in a high-pitched voice cursing mothers, calling you a bigot, telling you you are a useless player, etc. These human garbage, until Overwatch 2, they complained fervently to the blizzard that the report does not work and the toxicity is not banned. In fact, as libtards, they are against free speech and wanted to ban everyone else but them. Now it turns out who the toxic one is. Both Reddit and the blizzard forums are full of abnormal garbage, with gay avatars crying because racists report them and get banned. They even write while crying; they don't say anything serious but only "mom jokes," and they shouldn't be banned, but the system should only work for racists. Finally, the liberal human garbage got what they asked for, and it was proven once and for all who the toxic player (them) is.

 

[The Last Stand]

Both Reddit and the blizzard forums are full of abnormal garbage, with gay avatars crying because racists report them and get banned. They even write while crying; they don't say anything serious but only "mom jokes," and they shouldn't be banned, but the system should only work for racists. Finally, the liberal human garbage got what they asked for, and it was proven once and for all who the toxic player (them) is.

Could you provide some anecdotal evidence of that claim? I want to laugh.

 

[Z6HGR-8V8TM-GXEWM]

Could you provide some anecdotal evidence of that claim? I want to laugh.

just search keywords like "report system" or "report", "voice" etc and you ll find a ton of them

 

[FatalTater]

Overwatch is such a friendly and accepting game...!

Except lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/1d6170y/my_little_sister_was_banned_for_being_horrible_at/

https://archive.ph/AmjsE

 

[74164978231]

Overwatch is such a friendly and accepting game...!

Except lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/1d6170y/my_little_sister_was_banned_for_being_horrible_at/

https://archive.ph/AmjsE

We really live in a nightmare age of online gaming.

Companies do absolutely nothing to ensure you are grouped with good intentioned well to do people. They only make it so you can punish people who you perceive as "bad".

 

[Null]

Overwatch is such a friendly and accepting game...!

Except lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/1d6170y/my_little_sister_was_banned_for_being_horrible_at/

https://archive.ph/AmjsE

It's a better UX to just have SithLordGamer call you a nigger and then tell you what actually works, rather than just have you play in this forced joint isolation where all comms have to be off and you just wander aimless through a map that might as well be 100% offline.

Also this distinction between good and bad doesn't really seem to exist in community moderated games like TF2 where you can blend in and nobody is freaking out over their Gaymer Score. Like in TF2 you end up getting pubstomped a lot by pros, but in OW there's such an emphasis on competitive gayman because of the attention and prestige it brings a la Dota, that they can't just let it be an uncompetitive fun pubstomp.

 

[postfeetpls]

they can't just let it be an uncompetitive fun pubstomp

This is the main problem with the game. It's not like Dota or CS or even faggot Valorant and balancing this dumpsterfire of heroes and abilities around both competitive and casual gameplay is borderline impossible.
They couldn't just let it be a fun pubstomp because of the money in competitive but then it couldn't be a fun pubstomp either because normies are getting assblasted left and right and leave the game after getting punished in the first 10 matches. So they doubled down on doing both ruining it all + now you also get banned for tbagging this guy's sister and she gets banned for being bad at the game in unranked quickplay mode where people are supposed to be bad.
Trash fucking company.

 

[FatalTater]

Time was, if some prepubescent loudmouth who saw himself as the next #1 pro player if it wasn't for this trash team started getting mouthy (in fucking quickplay of all things) you could just laugh at him and leave if you saw him on your team and/or target the shit out of him if he was on the other team later.
Then somehow TPTB decided that the whiny bitches were the ones needing all the power.

I miss the way it used to be, with loot boxes and portraits that show levels and cards at the end of the game indicating who played well.
Things were better then.

 

[bango skank]

I keep getting the random urge to jump onto Overwatch before remembering they took the original game away and it makes me sad.

 

[The Last Stand]

Overwatch is such a friendly and accepting game...!

Except lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/1d6170y/my_little_sister_was_banned_for_being_horrible_at/

https://archive.ph/AmjsE

Not to be THAT GUY, but maybe you shouldn't put yourself out there like that to give people a reason. At least, the way he was going at it. "Plz don't report me," is just asking for the opposite effect given how the Internet is.

 

[Tanner Glass]

Also this distinction between good and bad doesn't really seem to exist in community moderated games like TF2 where you can blend in and nobody is freaking out over their Gaymer Score. Like in TF2 you end up getting pubstomped a lot by pros, but in OW there's such an emphasis on competitive gayman because of the attention and prestige it brings a la Dota, that they can't just let it be an uncompetitive fun pubstomp.

TF2 - despite it's name, is a much less team focused game and let's players focus much deeper on specific actions that benefit the team instead of just the constant stream of team fight vs team fight that Overwatch forces players into.

There are a lot of smaller, more private fights that go on. Spy v Medic, Spy v Engineer, Pyro v Spy, Sniper v Sniper and so on. The game (cleverly) doesn't even list a KD/A on the scoreboard - it just awards points for every helpful thing you do for your team. So even if you play Engy - as long as you keep a teleporter and dispenser up, you'll show up on the leaderboard.

For the huge pile of things OW "borrowed" from TF2 - they didn't take any of the UX lessons that Valve spent a literal decade working on and documented and instead decided to foster one of the more toxic communities possible.

OW feels really bad when you have a team that isn't working - either because someone is bad in a role (but you need the role) or the other team is simply out-switching you and it's never over quick but you also never get a chance to really regroup and if you get stomped in one teamfight - you're likely going to get stopmed out in the next 6 or 7 you're going to have to do.

It's the DOTA feeling "We're going to lose but it's going to take ~10-20 minutes to let it happen" that really gets under people's skin. You aren't just losing a game, you're actively wasting your time (and losing MMR/Ranking/whatever) and not having fun because something easily identifiable in the game.

 

[Null]

t's the DOTA feeling "We're going to lose but it's going to take ~10-20 minutes to let it happen" that really gets under people's skin. You aren't just losing a game, you're actively wasting your time (and losing MMR/Ranking/whatever) and not having fun because something easily identifiable in the game.

Dota has worked very hard to make comebacks more possible, but this results in extremely unsatisfying games where you play very well and then lose anyways because 50 minutes in you have one bad team fight and then they just melt your structures.

I played overwatch 1 very intensively and tried to play competitively. I got a very high dpi mouse, dropped in game sensitively to 2, bought a giant mouse pad, and really played a lot of tracer until I could place in low plat.

The game is not fun. I gave up because once finally getting out of gold, I was thinking the entire time that the good games were out of lower tiers, and it's not true. In higher tiers you get these crazy trick shot widows that kill you mid air from a mile away.

Snipers are not fun. Instant death is not fun. It has never been fun. It will never be fun. They just include it because everyone expects it. But one click kills from across the map ruin games.

 

[The Last Stand]

OW feels really bad when you have a team that isn't working - either because someone is bad in a role (but you need the role) or the other team is simply out-switching you and it's never over quick but you also never get a chance to really regroup and if you get stomped in one teamfight - you're likely going to get stopmed out in the next 6 or 7 you're going to have to do.

It's the DOTA feeling "We're going to lose but it's going to take ~10-20 minutes to let it happen" that really gets under people's skin. You aren't just losing a game, you're actively wasting your time (and losing MMR/Ranking/whatever) and not having fun because something easily identifiable in the game.

OW's gameplay loop revolves on team synergy and player cooperation. Tank is supposed to absorb damage, damage is supposed to dispatch opponents, support is supposed to heal teammates. It worked relatively well the first couple years because everybody was learning together without fear of losing rank or participation.

Now, OW2's focus is centered around competitive play AND eliminating toxicity from its playerbase. In practice, nobody is satisfied because hero balance is skewed around a certain meta with deviation from that being "rewarded" with player backlash. It's frustrating for those that want to have fun, learn, win or play with friends. All you need to do is to set somebody off for them to report you.

because normies are getting assblasted left and right and leave the game after getting punished in the first 10 matches. So they doubled down on doing both ruining it all + now you also get banned for tbagging this guy's sister and she gets banned for being bad at the game in unranked quickplay mode where people are supposed to be bad.

Thing is, "throwing" is hard to distinguish thanks to its histrionic playerbase. Is somebody not as skilled as you or they're just not getting enough heals because they want to go Rambo? That's why I stopped playing competitive, it's too much to deal with.