Paradox Studio Thread

[wopirish]

The way I solve it is just playing with the elven portraits and just headcanon that they were a superior breed of human that achieved supremacy
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Future Europeans became like Spock and got rid of all others.

 

[JJLiautaud]

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Really going all in on "Andalusia was a utopia where everyone got along," huh?

Also how dare the Spanish fight back against an Imperialist aggressor and reclaim their ancestral home? Real fucking smart thinking there Paradox.


Edit: I also second the distant world's 2 recommendation

 

[HeyYou]

Also how dare the Spanish fight back against an Imperialist aggressor and reclaim their ancestral home? Real fucking smart thinking there Paradox.


Edit: I also second the distant world's 2 recommendation

"People having to pay to practice the religion that was there first is multicultural equality!" - Paradox brainlets

 

[Agarathium1066]

"People having to pay to practice the religion that was there first is multicultural equality!" - Paradox brainlets

But they were soooo nice to the Jews! Except the times they were scapegoated and slaughtered in the streets just like anywhere else. Those mean ol' Christians were bad to them after though so clearly the peninsula was better off under the thumb of a distant or uncaring Caliph.

 

[Bush King]

Also how dare the Spanish fight back against an Imperialist aggressor and reclaim their ancestral home? Real fucking smart thinking there Paradox.


Edit: I also second the distant world's 2 recommendation

To be fair, "I'm native Spanish" really means "I'm German/French/Arabic/Moroccan/Italian and 1/1024th Celto-Iberic" and the Muslims themselves had lived there for three quarters of a millennium by the time they were expelled and forcibly converted.

But yes, there is a serious problem with black washing Catholic Iberia, to the point the Aztecs are portrayed as peaceful enlightened natives despite Spain just being a ring master that united all the subserviant tribes in Mexico against Tenochtitlan's human sacrifice war raids. Even Tlaxcala was a virtually independent protectorate which continues today as a Federal Subject of Mexico for their help in doing so. Not that Spain was some peaceful force for good, but it's not like the Ottomans hadn't conquered Byzantium and then most of the Balkans by this point, and shortly after attempted to topple to Holy See by conquering Italy. People were genuinely (and rightfully) scared that Christianity would be soon extinguished, battling between heretic Protestants and a heathen empire which laid claim to the Roman idea of universal monarchy.

This idea of a queer, utopian Muslim Andalusia and genocidal Catholic aggression against Muslims all over the world is complete nonsense and is self-hating kvetching. It's not like Islamic countries even today dominate and repress even traditionally Christian states, right? Right? So peaceful when you can be executed simply for practicing your religion without wanting to pay an extortion tax for "protection". Who do we need protecting from? The Castillians who want to bring back Catholic rule and end the extortion? Just as disgusting when the Catholics forced the Muslims to convert or die, but only one is seen as creating unity and ending barriers, and only one is seen as a barbaric practise.

 

[HeyYou]

To be fair, "I'm native Spanish" really means "I'm German/French/Arabic/Moroccan/Italian and 1/1024th Celto-Iberic" and the Muslims themselves had lived there for three quarters of a millennium by the time they were expelled and forcibly converted.

True, but then Native Americans are actually from Asia and Palestinians and Israelis both have no claim to Israel. Ultimately, the Visigothic Iberians or whatever you want to call them were there first and the weird denial that the Arabs were an invading power by pop historians and even some actual historians is odd. The store description is funny anyways, because Crusader Kings 3 doesn't have the ability to model religious minorities. A province is either one religion or not, and then the ruler of that province is either one religion or not. There's not even a mechanic to model a certain segment of the population's refusal to convert no matter what you do, although I'd hope the new DLC adds something like that.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

The way I solve it is just playing with the elven portraits and just headcanon that they were a superior breed of human that achieved supremacy
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Giving the future to knife-ears or weird nigger-chinks, what a choice, thanks Paradox!

Also how dare the Spanish fight back against an Imperialist aggressor and reclaim their ancestral home? Real fucking smart thinking there Paradox.

The medieval Spanish weren't native to Andalusia, the native people were a different group of Latin-speaking people, some of whom converted to Islam and some who stayed Christian. The Christian Reconquista kingdoms were all northern Iberians, from a different Roman province if you want to go that far back.

 

[JJLiautaud]

Giving the future to knife-ears or weird nigger-chinks, what a choice, thanks Paradox!

The medieval Spanish weren't native to Andalusia, the native people were a different group of Latin-speaking people, some of whom converted to Islam and some who stayed Christian. The Christian Reconquista kingdoms were all northern Iberians, from a different Roman province if you want to go that far back.

The Visigoths who became the "Spanish" Nobility lived pretty much everywhere in Iberia pre-Muslim invasion

 

[HeyYou]

Giving the future to knife-ears or weird nigger-chinks, what a choice, thanks Paradox!

The medieval Spanish weren't native to Andalusia, the native people were a different group of Latin-speaking people, some of whom converted to Islam and some who stayed Christian. The Christian Reconquista kingdoms were all northern Iberians, from a different Roman province if you want to go that far back.

The Visigoths who became the "Spanish" Nobility lived pretty much everywhere in Iberia pre-Muslim invasion

And the Latin speaking peoples weren't native, either, there were several tribes who lived in Hispania before Rome conquered it.

 

[Unyielding Stupidity]

And the Latin speaking peoples weren't native, either, there were several tribes who lived in Hispania before Rome conquered it.

Even then, most of the tribes in Hispania before Rome invaded it were not native, but instead descended from Celtic or other Indo-European invaders. Of the original pre-Indo-European inhabitants, the only ones still there are the Basque.

 

[Radola Gajda]

Well by the time reconquista finished. Muslim Turks conquered Christian Anatolia took over most of balkans and were pushing into central Europe. Mongols subjugated Russia .So it is not only poor inocent muslim fighting Christian agression and idea that Christian Europe will be overrun. Was not outside realm of possibility.

Speaking about multiculti Muslim Utopia in PDX games. In EU4 muslim religion has access to Dhimmi estate that allows them to ignore heathens with two small downsides you can't convert them to islam but that doesnt matter unless you go for achievment. And second small reduction to max absolutism but there are ways to increase it and bonuses you get from it are capped at 100 absolutism. And it becomes avaible in 17 century.
Also Mughal Empire. Muslim Indian formable that gives you special goverment that automatically "assimilates" any culture if you control all provinces of that culture. Removing negatives from having foreign culture in your state. And when you conquer entire culture group you will also get permanent buffs. Discipline, coring cost reduction, manpower buffs...

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Mughals

 

[wopirish]

Well by the time reconquista finished. Muslim Turks conquered Christian Anatolia took over most of balkans and were pushing into central Europe. Mongols subjugated Russia .So it is not only poor inocent muslim fighting Christian agression and idea that Christian Europe will be overrun. Was not outside realm of possibility.

Speaking about multiculti Muslim Utopia in PDX games. In EU4 muslim religion has access to Dhimmi estate that allows them to ignore heathens with two small downsides you can't convert them to islam but that doesnt matter unless you go for achievment. And second small reduction to max absolutism but there are ways to increase it and bonuses you get from it are capped at 100 absolutism. And it becomes avaible in 17 century.
Also Mughal Empire. Muslim Indian formable that gives you special goverment that automatically "assimilates" any culture if you control all provinces of that culture. Removing negatives from having foreign culture in your state. And when you conquer entire culture group you will also get permanent buffs. Discipline, coring cost reduction, manpower buffs...

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Mughals

I mean, paradox is Swedish. Every time I think of Sweden now a days I can't help but think of "Captain Sweden" video from pol or someplace similar. So tolerant lol

 

[Agarathium1066]

I mean, paradox is Swedish. Every time I think of Sweden now a days I can't help but think of "Captain Sweden" video from pol or someplace similar. So tolerant lol

The same Swedish company that made Andalusian muslim "religion" accepting of gays, other cultures. Also made a roman emperor an 'empress' because he was an ancient troon. There's a laundry list so them kissing up to Mohammadeans isn't even that impressive all things told.

Really it may just be an attempted survival technique, though that's assuming most modern muslims give the mildest shit about ancient history.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

To be fair, "I'm native Spanish" really means "I'm German/French/Arabic/Moroccan/Italian and 1/1024th Celto-Iberic" and the Muslims themselves had lived there for three quarters of a millennium by the time they were expelled and forcibly converted.

But yes, there is a serious problem with black washing Catholic Iberia, to the point the Aztecs are portrayed as peaceful enlightened natives despite Spain just being a ring master that united all the subserviant tribes in Mexico against Tenochtitlan's human sacrifice war raids. Even Tlaxcala was a virtually independent protectorate which continues today as a Federal Subject of Mexico for their help in doing so. Not that Spain was some peaceful force for good, but it's not like the Ottomans hadn't conquered Byzantium and then most of the Balkans by this point, and shortly after attempted to topple to Holy See by conquering Italy. People were genuinely (and rightfully) scared that Christianity would be soon extinguished, battling between heretic Protestants and a heathen empire which laid claim to the Roman idea of universal monarchy.

This idea of a queer, utopian Muslim Andalusia and genocidal Catholic aggression against Muslims all over the world is complete nonsense and is self-hating kvetching. It's not like Islamic countries even today dominate and repress even traditionally Christian states, right? Right? So peaceful when you can be executed simply for practicing your religion without wanting to pay an extortion tax for "protection". Who do we need protecting from? The Castillians who want to bring back Catholic rule and end the extortion? Just as disgusting when the Catholics forced the Muslims to convert or die, but only one is seen as creating unity and ending barriers, and only one is seen as a barbaric practise.

I've heard dumbasses talk about how the Mongol Empire was ackshually good because it had religious tolerance and a good postal service.

Implying:
1) The Orthodox population of Orthodox Russia, Muslim population of Muslim Iran, and Buddhist/Confucian population of Buddhist/Confucian China needed tolerating.
2) That people enjoyed the postal service more than they enjoyed the company of their loved ones before they were slaughtered.

Have also heard people shill for the Aztec's universal education system (it was basically 100% religious indoctrination, folkways, and nationalism, it was the equivalent of Sunday school more than modern education) and for the Vikings being good guys striking a blow at those damned Catholics (who were minding their own business in their own lands).

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

The same Swedish company that made Andalusian muslim "religion" accepting of gays

WTF really? What is the historical basis of that? (I'm not very knowledgeable on Medieval Spain.) There's lots of cultures that were pro-homosex but even then it was almost never the hedonistic shitshow that modern Western fag culture is. In fact, I think you could sum up 99% of it as sexual exploitation of the weak by the strong, sometimes dolled up with ritual or civic significance.

I know Mamelukes were supposed to have practice widespread homosexuality, but in a "let's rape the new recruit as a prank bro" sense, and the usual pederasts. Of course, Paradox doesn't depict pedophilia anyways...

Insert usual long Ughubug rant about based Greek faggotry/Cherokee trannies

Also Mughal Empire. Muslim Indian formable that gives you special goverment that automatically "assimilates" any culture if you control all provinces of that culture. Removing negatives from having foreign culture in your state. And when you conquer entire culture group you will also get permanent buffs. Discipline, coring cost reduction, manpower buffs...

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Mughals

Sounds reasonably accurate, though as I understand the Mughals were, at least as of the time of Clive's invasion, more like what a Paradox game would depict as a central government in Delhi with huge vassals (Bengal and such) than a single proper state.

 

[Bush King]

WTF really? What is the historical basis of that? (I'm not very knowledgeable on Medieval Spain.) There's lots of cultures that were pro-homosex but even then it was almost never the hedonistic shitshow that modern Western fag culture is. In fact, I think you could sum up 99% of it as sexual exploitation of the weak by the strong, sometimes dolled up with ritual or civic significance.

I know Mamelukes were supposed to have practice widespread homosexuality, but in a "let's rape the new recruit as a prank bro" sense, and the usual pederasts. Of course, Paradox doesn't depict pedophilia anyways...

Insert usual long Ughubug rant about based Greek faggotry/Cherokee trannies

Nothing, it's just a lie that's been perpetuated since the 70's by non-historians.

You can Google it for sources and you won't find shit besides legal blogs talking about it as if it's been proven to dunk on white people and Christians, alongside trying to obfuscate that Islam is synonymous with being extremely intolerant of any culture, religion, race, etc, than Arabic Muslims. The Caliphate which forced Christians to pay or die and didn't let Jews build new houses or repair old ones and which continuously invaded Africa solely for black slaves? Completely tolerant. The states which immediately hand over tens of thousands of dollars to those who illegally enter the country and ban anything that could be construed as "Islamophobic"? Completely hateful, disgusting societies that must look towards the slaver societies for how they should run things.

You won't find any evidence for some tolerant society that allowed open expression of homosexuality outside of a few images owned by the most wealthy in society which were clearly not for public presentation. Most of it was probably pederasty, as it was in Japan, Afghanistan, China, Austronesia, pre-colonial Australia, Britain, Greece, Rome, etc. If it were in any way close to the truth, you'd expect the disgustingly homophobic and intolerant Catholics to use it in propaganda as they conquered this sinner peninsula, as modern Islamic states propagandise against the West.

I'll give one positive with Paradox's revisionism, the Norse pagans have same-sex relations as criminal (where even the Catholics only have it as shunned, but you still get a shitty trait). Too bad they called it Asatru and not Germanic paganism. Asatru refers to modern revivals by sexless retards of ancient rituals because they're pissy about Christianity. The religion mechanics are pretty good too, but you should probably get five instead of three slots, you can end up with only one or two virtues and sins if you go for the slots that just give bonuses. Also needs some way of changing your Holy Sites, creating Protestantism or Lutheranism as a German ruler shouldn't force you to keep Santiago and Canterbury as Holy Sites.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

The Visigoths who became the "Spanish" Nobility lived pretty much everywhere in Iberia pre-Muslim invasion

Doesn't mean Pedro the Castillian peasant has any claim on his "home", or that Juan the Aragonese noble has any relation to the nobles who formerly lived in Cordoba.

1) The Orthodox population of Orthodox Russia, Muslim population of Muslim Iran, and Buddhist/Confucian population of Buddhist/Confucian China needed tolerating.

Name one empire that was as tolerant of the Mongols toward minority religions. Certainly not the Caliphate or any Christian state. It was better to be a Nestorian or other Christian under the early khans than any time after, that's for sure. Or be a Muslim in Russia, a Zoroastrian in Iran, etc.

Have also heard people shill for the Aztec's universal education system (it was basically 100% religious indoctrination, folkways, and nationalism, it was the equivalent of Sunday school more than modern education) and for the Vikings being good guys striking a blow at those damned Catholics (who were minding their own business in their own lands).

Still was pretty great if you were an ethnic Aztec/wanted to get you or your kids in good with the Aztecs. Education wasn't a widely appreciated thing in many states.

 

[Bush King]

Doesn't mean Pedro the Castillian peasant has any claim on his "home", or that Juan the Aragonese noble has any relation to the nobles who formerly lived in Cordoba.

Anyone who lives in a place has a claim to it. Even squatters have recognised claims. The right of conquest was recognised until after WW2, and even then it was held that appropriation of land was a fair restitution due from damages. Competing claims can exist too. The Spanish thrones can rightly claim Iberia as a christian state, as the Islamic Cordubans can claim it as theirs by ownership rights.

Name one empire that was as tolerant of the Mongols toward minority religions. Certainly not the Caliphate or any Christian state. It was better to be a Nestorian or other Christian under the early khans than any time after, that's for sure. Or be a Muslim in Russia, a Zoroastrian in Iran, etc.

The Romans, certain Indian states, late Britain, France at times, etc.

Not that it matters. Christian Russians didn't need to be conquered by a foreign horde that massacred entire cities to be tolerant of Christianity, nor did Baghdad have to turn into a wasteland to make an Islamic state tolerant of Islam. Religious minorities were far better protected under the first few Khans, but that's a large price to pay for a tiny reprieve.

Still was pretty great if you were an ethnic Aztec/wanted to get you or your kids in good with the Aztecs. Education wasn't a widely appreciated thing in many states.

I don't know how you can defend forced assimilation at the same time as religious tolerance. If you defend this, you must defend the Austrians trying to wipe out the Czechs, Slavs, Poles and Hungarians by only educating them in German.

 

[Übertroon]

Still was pretty great if you were an ethnic Aztec

Considering how absolutely butt fucked they got from a few hundred Europeans and all the surrounding tribes they had pissed off I'm not sure how great it actually was.

 

[Pinky Piedo the Tard]

What do you gamers think of the new Stellaris DLC Overlord?

I think it's pretty neat but my favorite part of this update, in general, is the fact you can nominate AI to become custodian which makes the endgame much more interesting.