Plymouth shooting: Multiple fatalities in Keyham

[Rabid Wombat]

Yeah, if my "Middle Earth Dwarf" shaped arse can get a loving tom boy wife, then no one has an excuse. Incel is a state of mind.

This guys are always low functioning Narcissists, usually combined with FAS.

If you cant get a gf in the modern world, the problem is entirely a "you" issue.

 

[DickMain]

Mental health issues are entire personalities for some people. For example; all the people who claim to be bipolar and post about it online ad nauseum. Attention seeking behaviour like that is also a form of mental illness but one that's symptomatic of too much social media use.

For real, happen to work with somebody who's insufferable in that regard. Wears every niche mental issue like some kind of quirky badge of honor. Gets all of the psychology pseudoscience crap from youtube, in particular that psych2go channel. No personality, just entirely defined by conditions that they (for the most part) probably don't have. Most of the time it almost sounds like horoscope shit. "Oh my boyfriend is this type of personality which means we can't do this on tuesdays, but it also means they get along better with..."

Just a bunch of nonsense hearing people box themselves in like that.

I was distracted while I was writing this up, but the greater point being that this sort of behavior is just destructive and annoying. I don't really know where this culture of treating your own mental illnesses as being 'quirky' came from.

 

[Berrakh]

All personality traits are inheritable. There’s no gene to shoot up families but there are genes that code higher anger, lower empathy, and so on. @Just Another Apocalypse

 

[Just Another Apocalypse]

There are a ton of murderers and serial killers who exhibited violent behavior from a young age despite growing up in loving and supportive upper class families

Yeeeaah. Upper class families are always so loving and supportive... Like the Ramseys. Like the McCanns. Just cos you got the money to cover shit up.

And it still comes down to free will. Hyperbolic logic to the extreme: are you going to nix all foetus with certain genes?

"Gene predestination" isn't actually as fringe as you think it is. There are some researchers who speculate about it and there is a LITTLE BIT of evidence to support something like that.

But it doesn't really excuse shitty parenting. Infact, you could argue that it means shitty mum's will just have another excuse for their shitty parenting.

As for the similarities etc, how much of that is 'Wow, you like Star Trek too?' Comparable to TV Psychics and Uri Gellar shit.

 

[Jaimas]

Everyone is getting mad over petty shit while i'm just amused that a fucking loser in noguns bongland managed to outdo couch cuck.

To be fair, that sofa was a fucking chad.

 

[Chang Chong]

Yeeeaah. Upper class families are always so loving and supportive... Like the Ramseys. Like the McCanns. Just cos you got the money to cover shit up.

And it still comes down to free will. Hyperbolic logic to the extreme: are you going to nix all foetus with certain genes?

But it doesn't really excuse shitty parenting. Infact, you could argue that it means shitty mum's will just have another excuse for their shitty parenting.

As for the similarities etc, how much of that is 'Wow, you like Star Trek too?' Comparable to TV Psychics and Uri Gellar shit.

1. Yeah upper class families can be pretty supportive. A lot of killers come from families that were generally regarded by people who knew them to be happy, loving, and non-abusive. You can find anecdotes from families who tried to dote their psycho kids and having their interventions fail. Of course we can't be 100% sure that they were being honest or not hiding anything, but usually there's at least some outward sensible sign that a family is abusive that's knowable to people around them. Your personal prejudice against upper class families doesn't really match reality frankly. I don't care about this or that example of a rich and abusive family when there are rich and non-abusive families that produce pretty awful people.

2. Assuming free will begs the question, it's a highly contentions philosophical topic that not even theologians, esotericists, and traditionalists can agree on. There's still not really a compelling proof nor disproof of it imo. But, since people's behavior is so heavily influenced by genes, impulses, and other autonomous things, we can at least be quite sure that if humans do possess a conscious will, it isn't unlimited unless one is able to uncondition it like a Buddhist. I highly doubt incels have arrived at a state in which they can do much overcoming at all considering it takes ascetics decades of practice. Even then, do they have free will or were they predestined to building stronger willpower? Is it just the confluence of genetic effects that creates an illusion? We may never really know.

3. It doesn't matter if someone could bring up genetics as an excuse, the gene theory would still be true. This is a superficial objection.

4. I don't even know what this is supposed to mean. It's just a matter of research, it has nothing to do with r*ddit or star trek or whatever the fuck you're talking about. You can look the studies up. Monozygotic twins having similar interests isn't fringe science or a faint impression that I got from watching consooooomer TV shows or something. If you really need an explanation regarding why it would be the case that people with similar genotypes both look and behave similarly, then look at it this way: Genes account for a good deal of human variation, usually around 80% of it. We know genes influence behavior (even intelligence) from studies on monozygotic twins. Once such study is the Minnesota Twin Family study. There's also the Minnesota Transracial Adoption study that gives good evidence for the heritability of IQ. The former is mentioned in this article, you can look it up yourself because I don't feel like using google for you.

Twin brothers separated at birth reveal striking genetic similarities

Genetics may play a role in a surprising range of habits, behaviors and decisions

www.cbsnews.com

I know Pinker talks about this in The Blank Slate, which is an excellent book on the impact of genes on behavior and intelligence. He even mentions the fact that shared environment doesn't account for much variation between outcomes, which is what we were originally talking about. You should read that, even if Pinker is kind of a shitter elsewhere and frequently copes for the findings.

 

[Just Another Apocalypse]

BASED and DEETSPILLED
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Yeah upper class families can be pretty supportive

And lower class families can be shitty. And so can upper class families. This is not the point. Neither is a study about twins. This isn't nature vs nurture. It's about an ideology that infests social services, endangers children lives.

It's not really a good idea to maximise the chances of these types of people, you know, at the taxpayers expense. But that's just my opinion. And empirical evidence has led me to that.

 

[dirtydeanna96]

These guys hyperfocus on external problems rather than making an honest effort to build inner strength, willpower, and social skill, maybe this compounds a little bit with narcissistic superficiality. They earnestly believe women rebuff them because they're ugly, short, overweight, or dorky, so they start "maxxing" things as if real life is an RPG and women are NPCs with some kind of LOOKS check. They'll start "liftmaxxing," "looksmaxxing," and so on. They'll try to look like Chad, they'll buy designer -- equip the highest level gear -- but it always just amounts to making a more perfect turd, since the problem is what's on the inside

"Why isn't real life as simple as my pathfinder game? Why aren't there instructions on how to get a girl friend and suck seed?"

 

[Dude of Darkness]

Sorry m'buddy but there is no hell. The science says that he's just as non-existent as the kid he killed.

 

[Vince McMahon]

So let me get this straight.

Mental boy raised by mental single mom.
Spends most of his youth as the jobless loser with nothing but a computer.
Eventually decides to improves himself. Hits the gym and starts lifting. Gets a decent job (believe its said he was a crane operator).
See nothing changes in his life sex wise so he gets blackpilled. Lifting weight and getting a job didnt get him his tradwife he wanted.
Thinks to himself, i changed everything and still get no pussy so it must be who i am. Am product of my environment. I was raised by my single mom
Fuck that cunt, takes shotgun and shoots her. Mind snaps, already killed 1 so might as well use all the ammo i brought with me.
Shoots everyone else in the vicinity including 3yo. Mind literally broken, points it himself.
The end.

When will young men realize pussy is really not that worth it. Wank off every few day and just do your own shit.

You missed the mark. It's not about pussy, per se. It's about intimacy and people wanting him. I can bet you 100 dollars that his single mom was berating him constantly for one reason or another. For some reason, single moms like to do that to their children, to funnel their frustration and saddle someone else with it. And what can be better than a person who you have power over for 18 years?

Do you know how draining it is when a person who's supposedly your closest family is nagging and nagging and nagging you? Single moms are also often either cold and frigid and/or boundaryless.

 

[Vince McMahon]

*shrugs* incels are cool and based, and a refreshing point of view from the prevailing gynocracy we're living under
their old subreddits were some of the funniest shit on the internet

Weren't you tired of purity drives and struggle sessions on "who's the true incel"?

 

[Spicboyskafan]

I can never understand this mindset
eehwhwaa I can't get pussy, the skanky whore I follow around won't touch my penis IMMA KILL PEOPLE UNRELATED TO MY PROBLEMS
literally just inviting problems that would've been avoided if you didn't seek them out

 

[GooglePuppet]

Yeah, if my "Middle Earth Dwarf" shaped arse can get a loving tom boy wife, then no one has an excuse. Incel is a state of mind.

This guys are always low functioning Narcissists, usually combined with FAS.

If you cant get a gf in the modern world, the problem is entirely a "you" issue.

I got a feeling she's a roastie, depending on your age.

 

[Paradigm]

As a Britfag myself, I apologise deeply for my country being filled with fucking clowns.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

I used to think this; that I was just too picky. Then I encountered the women my friends were dating/fucking. Women who were the best catches they could find. They were often uglier than my friends, yet acted like they were God's gift to the fucking planet. If the relationship went sour, they'd immediately show their true colors, and try to cancel them irl. Many 'friends' have been corrupted and lost through this. We're at a point now where most of my brothers are not dating women because they're scared of what they could do to them, and I've taken the memo and drawn out my latest celibacy period indefinitely.

These women all came from dating apps. Now, you may say 'don't use dating apps hur dur', but do me a favor and try that. Seriously, try to find an irl date when literally everyone and their grandmother is using dating apps. Try to strike a convo at a bar, and get laid that way, in today's day and age. Try it, I dare you. The only long term relationship in my entire friend group involves the only girl in our circle. That's how dire the dating game is rn. Women have complete, utter tyrannical control over the dating game, because the companies making these apps are making them for women. When you combine that with feminism and OnlyFans, female narcissism is at an all time high.

As the only non-straight in my circle, I have experience with homo dating apps like grindr. The difference is so night and day that it makes me hate women even more. I can get laid on grindr, or find a relationship, within 30 minutes. I know I'm attractive, because as soon as I update my profile I'm getting 15 or so notifications and unsolicited dick pics. Yet if I go on tinder, crickets. Why? Because I'm not 'daddy' age yet, and I'm as financially stable as the women I'm scrolling through. The only time I got messages on tinder was when I was a drug dealer.

In my time on/off with dating apps, I've only come across one girl that was normal. ONE. I'm not talking about matches btw, I'm talking about profiles I've swiped.

Women are whores. Not because women are inherently bad, but because we've made life too easy for them.
Around 40% of the world lives by convenience first, now imagine how they'd act if they got everything handed to them on a silver platter. Women rn act like they're all trust fund babies. I'm terrified to see what actual trust fund babies act like these days.

The problem with incels is not that they're wrong, because they're very, very right. The problem is that they're pieces of shit to begin with. Men who also live by convenience first, but are smart enough to realize that the dating game is hopeless. However, instead of moving on, they can't ignore their dick. They then continue to try and find dates, while using their blackpills and the aforementioned life by convenience, as an excuse not to groom themselves.

A big part of the trick is putting yourself in environments where you meet women regularly IRL on a consistent basis. This was actually pretty easy in the days where you could go to church and join fraternal orders who would network you but right now the only place to meet new people is in work settings mostly. This means men who work trades and high powered careers can't easily build organic relationships with women and there are only so many office drone jobs that pay worth a damn and won't kill your soul.

 

[Xenomorph]

It’s like you just know he stunk of onions, bo, and sickly sweat

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

Dude. I've become an extremely angry and bitter person over the last two years, and I'm starting to notice women I interact with treat me differently. What the fuck is with that? It's like they want to romanticize my problems, but only when it's attractive to them

Women exist to be taken. A man who is true to himself and expresses that is a man who will take.

The friend zone is very real and some men will always be friend zoned by any woman they meet. This is the best case scenario for most incels, and honestly it’s a perfectly acceptable outcome. Better for a man to get himself to a place where women think “he’s a good guy, there’s someone out there for him (not me, of course)” rather than “eww what a creep”.

That's a terrible mistake and you know it. A man who gets dropped in the friendzone is not a real friend to her and putting up with her shit is just going to fuck his self esteem. Men and women can be genuine friends and its often good for you, but friendzoning never works well for you.

Every so often, I log on to the r/virgin sub-Reddit (also used a couple of times by this ghoul from Plymouth). I always implore guys in their 20s to just suck it up and pay a hooker.

That's typically good advice but also add in a few notes about making sure they're decent hookers. The quality took a nosedive over the past two years.

 

[Beating Women]

• Don't even get me started on the mental health care for children. Keep an eye out for "CAMHS" trending on twitter. Every so often it will pop up and you will find countless horror stories of how the kids are failed

Interesting you mentioned this, I too have seen all those stories whenever 'CAMHS' trends on twitter, and it was reading those stories that really solidified my view I posted ealier in the thread:

The irony is the NHS' mental health provisions are in the state they are precisely because they're being choked to death by histrionic middle class young women with all their imaginary 'problems', that are really just hungry for the attention and validation, clogging up the system at every level like the spoiled madams they are.

Note the western 'mental health' grift/narrative only really applies to excuse from responsibility hysterical middle class liberal women. People/men with real material problems in life are to fuck off.

You could easily see reading the CAMHS hashtag how the system was being abused by upper middle class enititled young women. It was full of tantrums about doctors not being taken in by their grift and attention seeking. For example I remember one long thread of a woman incredulous that doctors refused to validate her self diagnosis of having PTSD, analogous to that of men returning from war.
I was actually impressed/suprised to see someone at least standing up to this type of person, in the outside world obviously society indulges them and their narcissistic delusions to the nth degree.

This isn't a gender thing either, I see purely as a function of class. Working class women dont behave like this, nor do older women or conservative women, they've all got real problems to deal with. For what ever reason a great deal of western millennial upper middle class women have been sucked into this entitled histrionic mindset.
They're vampires for attention/ validation and don't care how they get it, even if that means taking up resources from people who need it, and putting their own families through hell.

If I was running the NHS' mental heath care I'd put men and working class people from provincial parts of the country to the top of the list, ie those with real material problems. The cosseted, malingering, upper middle class hysterics can get the dregs left over, or even better have their rich families go private, and stop being such an enormous drain on the people who actually need this help.

 

[Beating Women]

[reeeeing]

I have no idea who this was...
It's some mad TERF who had a multipart breakdown breakdown in the TERF thread weeks ago for people being mean about feminists and using stickers in a way she doesn't like

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/terfs-...-gender-critical-feminists.15152/post-9683922

 

[CrescentCelica]

Extremely faggy question(s) with some powerlevelling ahead.

Spoiler: Fag shit

As someone in their early twenties with effectively no irl social circle and an extremely well paying (but physically demanding) job in heavy industry, how am I supposed to meet people? I know that my lack of social interaction with both women and people my age is the reason for the lack of a social circle, but I don't know how to rectify that. I have one real life friend. I participate in one community hobby that is extremely male dominated, mostly with military guys, and I don't hang out with any of those guys outside of events.


I make more than all of my peers by a significant margin, and I'm also worried about alienating some of the online friends I have due to the large disparity in our incomes and lifestyles. Most of my online friends give 0 shits as far as I can tell, but it still bothers me. I'm extremely lonely and I don't know how to course correct at this point. Everyone tells me how well off I am and how they wish they were in my spot at my age, but I just feel empty in side. Other than hobby events, I'm terminally online, and I have no real motivation to do anything else. I'm certain I'm depressed, but I'm also certain that ssris will only make things worse.

I mean, it's bad enough that I'm asking for advice from other online retards in a thread about a fucking incel spree shooter. Fuck.