Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[AnotherPleb]

crystal clear and crystal legacy both tried to improve ledian, but without just straight up making it a different pokemon, it's not really salvagable in its current state.

It's impressive just how bad it is. I'd take Dustox over it for early game bugs.

Shuckle is the best Pokemon across all 10+ generations.

You don't fuckle with shuckle.

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

Shuckle is the best Pokemon across all 10+ generations.

it's funny that you linked shuckle as if the hyper-autists in this thread (myself included) won't know which retarded but lovable bug you mean. that thing's defensive stats are monstrous, and i've seen some goofy strats theorized for it, though it seems real hard to pull off in competitive.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Worst gen 2 pokemon is granbull.

Ruined a perfectly good Snubull that did.

BTW seeing a lot of lonely bipolar women shipping this couple unironically,

Considering it is women that more often than not that write the stories and draw the art, I am not surprised.

also a pokefucker general has now been made with several consecutive generals.

Excellent

I got bad news for the redditors who thought that "(falsely) deboonking" the translations would have any effect.

If anything this just allowed everyone to openly go ‘oh yeah, is canon isn’t it’. Any myth inspired Pokemox either fucks, steals or torments trainers

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

The fact that gen 2 had so many shitmons that only work after later gens improved them tells you how bad gen 2 was overall. Its more like gen 1.5 and didn't have safari zone and was shit overall. its probably the worst of the first 5 gens just from balancing and technical aspects. of course this is a very stale cold take

They weren't allowed to wear anything but their skirts

In America in a lot of places that was the norm even for public schools in the 1970s and 1980s. People don't realize how conservative America was so long ago.

 

[Anonitolia]

A quick google gave me this.
View attachment 6531241
More details on the page. Seems to be for Indians only, so they ask that westerners please do not redeem the rewards.
Not gonna lie, I dropped this game when the covid buffs were removed. It was great for idling on community days for a bunch of basically-free shinies but never caught my attention enough to be worth going out for.

Odd, why'd this not show up on any of my results? Scrolled down three pages and everything. Ah well, it's not a huge deal. Thanks for finding something on it.

Funny that they're making such a big deal of a Pikachu costume, but I guess the Indians like it? I dunno. I will say that it looks quite cute in the traditional dress.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

People don't realize how conservative America was so long ago.

You’d think they’d grasp that considering how much libral media crammed it down you in the early 2000s.

 

[The Fatriarchy]

There seems to be a trend on TikTok where brainless shitters who probably never played the older games release their Typhlosion from their PC

People actually did this? This would be like trying to kill off the rest of humanity because Hitler came along and did a little hollow cost

 

[anliteralidiot]

...y'know, thinking on it, I'm surprised we didn't get any B2W2 in this leak.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

You’d think they’d grasp that considering how much libral media crammed it down you in the early 2000s.

i dont mean politically but socially. look at Kelly Bundy in Married with Children, or Nikki Cox in unhappily ever after. They're supposed to be these super sluts and are treated like they wear stripper outfits the entire time, yet they wear more clothes than you'll see on any woman just going grocery shopping nowadays. you can even see it in the VHS footage of people in the 1980s and 1990s. the stuff nelson sullivan recorded people wearing at gay nightclubs in the 1980s would be too formal for the office today in america. we're not as far away from japan era values as people think.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

Why are we debating the worst Gen 2 Pokemon like it's uknown? We all know it's unown.

Nah

 

[6MillionCoofs]

i dont mean politically but socially.

I know. My point remsins unchanged. This was pointed out a lot. This comes down to the fact that a lot can honestly change in 5-10 years and most people can’t remember far back in detail.

 

[Slur.EXE]

Been DeepL-ing some of the documentation from the WB folder in Havesomefun.

-Team plasma was going to be composed of minorities with a sense of victimhood lmao
-The original ending planned for the audience to know what happens to N and the sages.

Spoiler: W&Bハカイ団プロット考察_081203

Ｗ＆Ｂ　プロット考察_敵組織ハカイ団編
・08.12.03ver

W&B Plot Discussion_Enemy Organization Hakkai-dan
08.12.03 ver.

■　設定イメージメモ

Configuration Image Memo

●　ハカイ団
・その目的
　　　ハカイ団の望む価値観での世界統一。統一された世界の支配。
　　　　　１：現状に疑問・不満を抱かせる
　　　　　２：新たな価値観を提示する
　　　　　３：圧倒的な説得力（＝Ｎの存在）により、２での価値観を正しいものとして浸透させる

　　　　　価値観の破壊とは、物質を壊すことのみ、ではない。
　　　　　群衆に訴えかけ変化を促すのも活動の一つ。
　　　　　ジムリーダーを負かし失墜させる、といった偶像破壊も含まれる。
　　　　　　　ジムリーダーとの勝負は、最終的にポケモンリーグ支配があるので、優先度は低い。

Hakkai-dan
Its purpose
　　　Unification of the world with the values desired by the Hakkai-dan. Domination of a unified world.
　　　　　1: To make people question and dissatisfy the status quo
　　　　　2: To present new values
　　　　　3: Through overwhelming persuasive power (i.e., the existence of N), instill the values in 2 as the correct ones.

　　　　　Destroying values is not only about destroying substance.
　　　　　Appealing to the crowd and encouraging change is another activity.
　　　　　It also includes destroying idols, such as defeating and destroying gym leaders.
　　　　　　　Competing with gym leaders is a low priority because of the eventual domination of the Pokémon League.

・七賢人＝ハカイ団幹部
　　　一般的にマイノリティとされるものたち。
　　　　　詳しく書かないが被害者意識を持っている/満たされていないと感じている。
　　　　　　　ジムリーダーたちより多種多様なキャラで構成。
　　　七賢人筆頭は、元チャンピオン（老人）の弟子だった。
　　　　　元チャンピオンとは、思想、めざすところが異なるため
　　　　　袂をわかち、ハカイ団を作り出した。Ｎ不在時の実質的なリーダー。
　　　ジムリーダーの因縁を設定。
　　　　　七賢人（幹部の数としては多い）とジムリーダーのキャラ立てを同時におこないつつ
　　　　　終盤Nの城でのやりとりを盛り上げるため。
　　　　　　　全員に因縁を持たせるつもりはない。

Seven Wise Men = Hakkai-dan Executives
　　　Those generally considered minorities.
　　　　　I won't go into detail, but they feel victimized/unfulfilled.
　　　　　　　They consist of more diverse characters than the gym leaders.
　　　The first of the Seven Wise Men was a disciple of a former champion (old man).
　　　　　Since he and the former champion had different ideologies and goals, they parted company.
　　　　　He is the real leader of the Hakkai-dan in N's absence.
　　　He has a history of being a gym leader.
　　　　　He also established the characters of the Seven Wise Men (a large number of executives) and the gym leader at the same time.
　　　　　To make the exchange at N's castle at the end of the game more exciting.
　　　　　　　We do not intend to give them all a relationship.

・王国イメージ
　　　ハカイ団の提示する思想・理想郷にあこがれを持たせるため、ある種のイメージ戦略をとっている。
　　　　　Ｎの城を造ったり、七賢人が貴族っぽい揃いの衣装だったり
　　　　　ポケモンリーグに君臨するであろうＮにパッケージポケモンを持たせることで
　　　　　王・英雄としてのカリスマ性を強化し、群衆の支持を得ようとしている。

The image of the Kingdom
　　　In order to make people long for the ideology and ideal world presented by Hakkai-dan, a certain image strategy is adopted.
　　　　　They are building N's castle, and the Seven Wise Men are dressed in aristocratic outfits.
　　　　　The charisma of N as a king and hero by giving him packaged Pokémon, which will reign over the Pokémon League, and the charisma of N as a king and hero.
　　　　　N is trying to strengthen his charisma as a king and hero, and to gain the support of the crowd.

●　Ｎ（エヌ）
・Ｎは世界を救いたい、幸せにしたいと願っている。
　　　個人個人のさまざま幸せをすべて満たすのは困難だが
　　　群衆（Ｎにとって一つの個体）としての幸せ＝統一された価値観での幸せは実現できると考えている。
　　　　　人の可能性を信じられないＮには悲観的な未来しか見えない。
・物語開始時点で、すでにハカイ団のボスである。
　　　世界各地を巡っているときに七賢人と出会い
　　　彼らの思想に共感、王として擁立されることを受け入れた。
・なぜ、ハカイ団とは別行動をとっているのか？
　　　ハカイ団の活動により、群衆がどう変わったかを自分の目で確かめ
　　　自分が行動を起こすべきタイミングを見定めるため。

● N (N)
N wants to save the world and make it happy.
　　　It is difficult to fulfill all the various happinesses of each individual, but
　　　However, he believes that happiness as a crowd (one individual for N) = happiness with a unified sense of values can be realized.
　　　　　N, who does not believe in people's potential, can only see a pessimistic future.
At the beginning of the story, he is already the boss of the Hakkaidan.
　　　While touring around the world, he met the Seven Wise Men.
　　　He sympathized with their ideology and accepted to be installed as king.
Why is he separated from the Hakkai-dan?
　　　To see with his own eyes how the crowd had changed as a result of the Hakkai group's activities, and to determine when it was time for him to take action.

●　パッケージポケモンの役割
・シン　……　白いドラゴン。新たなる善の世界に導く。
　ム　　……　黒いドラゴン。新たなる希望の世界に導く。
　　　英雄と共に現れ、新たな世界に導くといわれる伝説のドラゴンポケモン。
　　　　　各種伝承が残されており、一般人でも、その名前・姿は知っている。
　　　　　このポケモンを伴ってあらわれる人物は、英雄視される。
　　　優れた王者の時代に出現するとされる瑞獣のたぐい。
　　　　　伝承によれば、シンとムどちらかしか登場しない、とされている。
　　　　　　　ハカイ団に片方が奪われたときの絶望。
　　　　　　　自分ともう片方のポケモンが出会ったときの希望。
　　　イッシュ地方（仮）の建国伝説を用意し、Ｎの存在が浮かないようにするのもあり。

Role of packaged Pokémon
Shin ...... A white dragon. Leads us to a new world of goodness.
　M ...... Black Dragon. Leads to a new world of hope.
　　　A legendary dragon Pokémon that is said to appear with heroes and lead them to a new world.
　　　　　There are various legends about this Pokémon, and even ordinary people know its name and appearance.
　　　　　People who appear with this Pokémon are regarded as heroes.
　　　It is a kind of Zuibeast that is said to appear during the reign of a great champion.
　　　　　According to legend, only Shin or Mu appears with this Pokémon.
　　　　　　　The despair when one of them is stolen by the Hakai-dan.
　　　　　　　Hope when he and the other Pokémon meet.
　　　It is also possible to prepare a founding legend for the Ish region (tentative) so that the existence of N does not float away.

■　プロット案

Plot Proposal

・二人の英雄（Ｎと主人公）と
　二匹のポケモン（シンとム）の対比により
　対極を描くこと。
　　　ハカイ団の役割はその舞台設定を整える、というイメージ。

The plot is based on the contrast between two heroes (N and the main character) and two Pokémon (Shin and Mu).
　Two Pokémon (Shin and M) and two heroes (N and the protagonist)
　The role of the Hakkaidan is to set the stage for the contrast.
　　　The role of the Hakaydan is to set the stage.

●　Ｔ０１：カノコタウン
・登場せず。

T01: Canoko Town
Not appeared.

●　Ｔ０２：カラクサタウン
・Nとの出会い。
　　　先輩トレーナーとしてアドバイスしてくれる。
　　　能力の一端を見せて、主人公のことを言い当てる。
　　　　　Ｎは主人公に英雄の資質をみる。
　　　　　いずれポケモンリーグで出会うだろう、との予言。

T02: Calaxa Town
Meet N.
　　　He advises you as a senior trainer.
　　　He shows one of his abilities and makes an allusion to the hero.
　　　　　N sees heroic qualities in the hero.
　　　　　He predicts that they will meet in the Pokemon League.

●　Ｃ０１：サンヨウシティ
・登場せず。

C01: Sanyo City
Not appeared.

●　Ｃ０２：シッポウシティ
・ハカイ団のウワサ初出。
　　　どこかの街でシンボルが壊された話（行くと再建中→クリアすると再建済み、など）。
・シティを出るときに団員たちが博物館がらみで初登場する。
　　　パッケージポケモンに関するもの、関係ないもの一切合切を奪っていく。

C02: Shippo City
The first appearance of Hakkai-dan's rumor.
　　　The story of a symbol being destroyed in some city (when you go there, it is being rebuilt, when you clear the city, it has been rebuilt, etc.).
When leaving the city, the members of the Hakai-dan appear for the first time in connection with the museum.
　　　They take everything, both related to packaged Pokémon and unrelated to them.

●　Ｃ０２ 〜Ｃ０３：森＋公園
・上記、パッケージポケモンに関するものが出土したとされる場所。
・博物館から盗まれたものを集め・取り返す。
　　　盗品回収（散財した盗品を探す、トレーナーに勝つことで譲ってもらったり）。

C02 - C03: Forest + Park
The above-mentioned places where items related to packaged Pokémon are said to have been unearthed.
Collect/retrieve items stolen from the museum.
　　　Collecting stolen items (looking for scattered stolen items, winning trainers to give them away, etc.).

●　Ｃ０３：ヤグルマシティ
・過去/未来のシンボル破壊の計画。
　　　ジムリーダーのいるビル＝シンボルビル。
・ハカイ団七賢人のうち一番のしたっぱと主人公の対決。
　　　ジムリーダー（芸術家）も加わる。
　　　その後、七賢人全員が集結し、顔見せをする。

C03: Yagruma City
Past/future plan to destroy symbols.
　　　The building where the gym leader is located = the symbol building.
The main character faces off against the wisest of the Seven Wise Men of the Hakkai Clan.
　　　The gym leader (an artist) joins them.
　　　After that, all the Seven Wise Men gather and show their faces.

●　Ｃ０３〜Ｃ０４：遺跡
・登場せず。
・地下への意識を植え付ける。
　　　ＮＹの地下は岩盤が堅く掘ることが困難→何かあるとの都市伝説がモチーフ。

C03-C04: Ruins
Not appeared.
The motif is based on an urban legend that the underground of New York is hard and difficult to excavate.
　　　The motif is an urban legend that the underground of New York is rock solid and difficult to dig → something is there.

●　Ｃ０４：ライモンシティ
・ここでも、街のシンボル破壊のウワサを聞きつけ現場に向かう。
　　　そこで、ハカイ団を見つけ追いかけるが、地下鉄の駅で見失う。
・ハカイ団専用の地下鉄。
　　　Ｎの城（この時点では地下にある）につながっている。
　　　漆黒の車両で、誰にも気づかれていない。
・ハカイ団を見失った場所でＮと出会う。
　　　ハカイ団ボスとしての伏線。
・Ｎが思いの一端を語る。
　　「世界の人、ポケモン、みんなが望む幸せってなんだろうね」

C04：Raimon City
Here, too, he hears rumors of the destruction of the city's symbols, and heads for the scene.
　　　There, they find the Hakkai-dan and chase after them, but lose them at the subway station.
The subway station is reserved for the Hakkai-dan.
　　　It leads to Castle N (which is underground at this point).
　　　It is a jet-black car, and no one notices it.
The subway is a jet-black car, unnoticed by anyone.
　　　This is a foreshadowing of the Hakkai-dan boss.
N talks about some of his thoughts.
　　N says a part of his thoughts: “I wonder what kind of happiness everyone in the world, Pokemon and everyone else wants.”

●　Ｃ０５：ホドモエシティ
・登場せず。

C05: Hodomoe City
Not appeared.

●　Ｃ０６：フキヨセシティ
・ハカイ団七賢人のうち数人が演説をしている。
　　　工場のある街、労働者層の生活に変化を持たせたいという欲求につけ込む。
・元チャンピオン（老人）との出会い。
　　　老人は思うところがあり、チャンピオンの座を辞去し、隠遁している。
　　　ハカイ団について語る。
　　　　　これまでの整理と、今後の展開、主人公のやるべきことを提示する目的としたイベント。

C06: FUKIYOSE CITY
Several of the Seven Wise Men of Hakkai-dan are making speeches.
　　　A city with factories, taking advantage of the desire to make a difference in the lives of the working class.
C07: A meeting with an ex-champion (an old man).
　　　The old man has his own reasons for resigning his position as champion and going into seclusion.
　　　He talks about the Hakkai-dan.
　　　　　An event aimed at organizing the past, developing the future, and presenting what the protagonist should do.

「人の意識、価値観を変えるには、現状に不満・疑問を持たせるだけではダメだ。
　　　みんなが希望を抱けるビジョンや、シンボルをみせる必要がある。ハカイ団にはそれがあるのか？」

　　「人の意識、価値観を変えるには、現状に不満・疑問を持たせるだけではダメだ。
　　　みんなが希望を抱けるビジョンや、シンボルをみせる必要がある。ハカイ団にはそれがあるのか？」

C07
　　To change people's awareness and values, it is not enough to make them dissatisfied with or question the status quo.
　　　We need to show them a vision or a symbol that will give them hope. Does Hakkai-dan have that?”

　　To change people's awareness and values, it is not enough to make them dissatisfied with or question the status quo.
　　　We need to show them a vision and a symbol that will inspire hope in everyone. Does Hakaidan have that?

●　Ｃ０６〜Ｃ０７：鉱山
・Nとの共闘。
　　　Ｎたちと鉱山に閉じこめられる。
　　　このとき、主人公を試すため、Nがダンジョン攻略ヒントをくれる。

C06-C07: Mine
Joint struggle with N.
　　　The main character is locked in the mine with N and his friends.
　　　At this time, N gives you a hint to attack the dungeon in order to test the main character.

●　Ｃ０７：セッカシティ
・竜の塔にはいるためのやりとり。
・ジムリーダー（武術家）と協力するが、ハカイ団の数が多いという不利な状況。
　　　七賢人が３人ほど。
　　　Ｃ０６での元チャンピオンの疑問に対する解答を提示。
　　「世界の価値観を一つにするほどの絶対的な力・シンボルがわれらにあること」
　　「英雄にふさわしいポケモン、それがパッケージポケモン」
　　「パッケージポケモンを持つトレーナーの意味、この地方の人間なら子供だって知っている」

C07: Sekka City
The exchange to enter the Dragon Tower.
The team cooperates with the gym leader (a martial artist), but they are at a disadvantage because of the large number of Hakkai-dan.
　　　There are about three Seven Wise Men.
　　　He offers an answer to the former champion's question in C06.
　　We have the absolute power and symbol that can unite the values of the world.
　　A Pokémon worthy of a hero, that is, a packaged Pokémon.
　　Even children in this region know what it means to be a trainer with a packaged Pokémon.

●　Ｃ０７〜Ｃ０８：竜の塔
・主人公たち、力及ばず
　　　ハカイ団がパッケージポケモンを奪われる。
　　　元チャンピオンより、パッケージポケモンは対であったことを知る。

C07-C08: Dragon Tower
The protagonists are outmatched.
　　　The Hakkai-dan is robbed of its packaged Pokémon.
　　　The former champions learn that the packaged Pokémon were a pair.

●　Ｃ０８：ソウリュウシティ
・ハカイ団の最終目的＝ポケモンリーグ制覇を知る。
　　　ハカイ団が演説をおこない、ポケモンリーグにて王が降臨することを宣告する。
　　　民衆がハカイ団に感化され、歓迎しはじめている。
　　　　　Ｃ０８の人たちは単一の価値観で染まっている（似たような人ばかりな）ので影響されやすい。
・元チャンピオンとの修行。
・主人公がもう一対のパッケージポケモンと出会う。
　　　残された希望、英雄として選ばれた証拠。
　　　対となるパッケージポケモン、それを持つものとしてプレイヤーにやるべきことを強く提示する。
　　※ポケモンを確実に手持ちにさせる方法はもっと検討が必要。

C08: Souriou City
The Hakkai-dan's ultimate goal is to conquer the Pokémon League.
　　　The Hakkai-dan gives a speech and announces that the king will descend on the Pokémon League.
　　　The people are inspired by the Hakkai-dan and begin to welcome them.
　　　　　The people in C08 are easily influenced because they are steeped in a single set of values (they all look alike).
∙ Training with a former champion.
The hero meets another pair of packaged Pokémon.
　　　The remaining hope, the proof of being chosen as a hero.
　　　A pair of packaged Pokémon, strongly presenting the player with something to do as the one who possesses them.
　　More consideration should be given to how to ensure that the player has a Pokémon in his/her possession.

●　チャンピオンロード
・登場せず。
　あるいはハカイ団構成員が妨害している（チャンピオンロードの難易度を上げる）。
　　　ハカイ団はどうしている？　という疑問を友達などが提示。

Champion Road
Not appeared.
　Or Hakkai-dan members are obstructing (increasing the difficulty of Champion Road).
　　　Friends and others ask the question, “What is the Hakkai-dan doing?　The question “What is the Hakkai-dan doing?

●　ＰＬ
・登場せず。

PL
Not appeared.

●　Ｎの城
・前回提出のプロットにそった流れ。
　Ｎ、七賢人たちのその後はクリア後にわかるようイベント作成。

N's Castle
The flow of the story follows the plot submitted last time.
　Create an event so that the audience will know what happened to N and the Seven Wise Men after the game is cleared.

mini quests and NPC ideas

Spoiler: ミニイベントリスト090216

from an 08 Idea Memo

Spoiler: WB_NY取材メモ080806

 

[30+GameOvers]

...y'know, thinking on it, I'm surprised we didn't get any B2W2 in this leak.

I've seen early movie Pokemon and White/Black Kyurem, but it's definitely getting drowned out by RSE/BW/DP/XY stuff

Team plasma was going to be composed of minorities with a sense of victimhood lmao

Makes sense, considering that's probably the first thing foreigners think of activist groups in America. I guess they had to settle for the "safe" choice of PETA, all white of course.
Speaking of which, wasn't it leaked somewhere that Team Skull was also going to be composed of minorities?

 

[Anonitolia]

Lmfao what the hell, I thought this one was a fake. Can't believe it's real. We were robbed of our Hasidic enclave, damn it!!

 

[SiggerNlayer]

Oh my, did Null accuse yet another person of being a tranny without any more proof than what he spent 5 seconds glancing over?
What a lovable old oaf.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

-Team plasma was going to be composed of minorities with a sense of victimhood lmao

They were when you think about.

The entire twist of the story was their leader was lying to them and using all of those fact for himself.

They just weren’t black.

 

[Vibralldo]

"Giving birth to a monster and a human's child is just a way to represent that the woman may never be human and go live with her folks ever again, since her blood is now related to the spiritual world and can't go back. It's a point of no return simbolized by the birth of new life"

So she's still possibly underage and gets impregnated by the pokemon?

How is this any better?

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Oh my, did Null accuse yet another person of being a tranny without any more proof than what he spent 5 seconds glancing over?
What a lovable old oaf.

Null hosts a weekly stream. Therefore he is just following the norm and what is expected of high quality content.

 

[Some Badger]

>Jewish "Tuxedo" town

They actually considered making an a gimmick town based off Crown Heights, lmao. I imagine that's what ultimately became Black City/White Forest. I for one do not lament the lack of Jews in Unova though.

It also seems like the "Starbucks" idea eventually became the Pokecenter cafe in the Alola titles (which I am admittedly a frequent patron of even if it has very little practical value after the first quarter of the game).

 

[Celebrate Nite]

What in the actual fuck are you doing with 35 base attack?

Assuming you're going for the generic 252/252/4 set...

Ledian (M) @ Charti Berry
Ability: Iron Fist
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def
Adamant Nature
- Bug Bite
- Aerial Ace
- Drain Punch
- Swords Dance

I came up with this just now. It's SOMETHING he can abuse at least since he doesn't get Quiver Dance, Calm Mind, or Nasty Plot for his better special attacks.