Predator 5 announced - Why can't they leave this fucking franchise just rest in peace?

[Internet War Criminal]

You people do realize that when they say it was the first hunt, they don't just mean the first hunt on earth, but also the first hunt of that Predator, right?

- It was slimmer and smaller, so probably a female
- It was clearly her first hunt

That's why it starts by skinning the snake (they only skin apex predators) then is like 'Oh shit, a wolf, that must be it' and then 'No, wait, bear!' and then finally human beings.


So, yeah, if it had been the same Predator as Arnie's, it's pretty unlikely she would have been able to kill it. Not sure how harder the movie could have told us aside from a gay text opening


Also, apparently the post-credit scene means that the Predators came back and completely wiped her tribe afterwards, since the pistol that she used to shoot her predator in the head is the one given as a prize for killing the predator in Predator 2 lol.

 

[XYZpdq]

That's basically the comic then.
The comic is set in the aliens setting, a predator hunting planet was colonized by humans in the predators absence, so when the predators returns to the planet to hunt and seed it with xenomorph eggs the colony gets unwittingly involved. Some other stuff happens and the Japanese director of the colony teams up with one of the predators to hunt the xenomorphs and rogue predators. At the end the director gets inducted into the predator tribe and goes hunting with them getting a nifty spear too if I recall made from a xenomorph tail.
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iirc she's in a sequel comic too as part of the tribe

 

[Car Won't Crank]

For me, it was how much of an ass she had. Don't know if you've seen a lot, but Native women are known for having less ass than white women. This girl was packing.

Let's be real here, the actress is barely a fraction native. Almost every native person here is at least a few generations mixed with Euro genes. Just look how pale her complexion is. The brother actor is a bit more convincing with the defined brow line where it meets the nose.

 

[White Devil]

Let's be real here, the actress is barely a fraction native. Almost every native person here is at least a few generations mixed with Euro genes. Just look how pale her complexion is. The brother actor is a bit more convincing with the defined brow line where it meets the nose.

I thought the mom and the chief were the most Native looking out of all of them. I haven't looked up Naru's actress but I'm guessing she's whatever flavor of Mexican.

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Amber Midthunder is a Native New Mexican actress who uncovered a deep love of acting at a young age. Growing up with an actor father and casting director mother, she began her own on-screen career early in life. Her first speaking role was at the age of 9 opposite Oscar winner Alan Arkin in the indie hit Sunshine Cleaning.

Oh yeah, she's definitely gotta be more Mexican than Native. A lot of the Natives in NM have been interbreeding with them for a few hundred years.

 

[BlackBallz]

For me, it was how much of an ass she had. Don't know if you've seen a lot, but Native women are known for having less ass than white women. This girl was packing.

So it is the best Predator movie then?

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

I watched this last night, and I am dismayed it is getting so much praise.

Is it better than the Star Wars sequal trilogy abomination or Ghostbusters 2016, yes, it is still however an abomination, and that is BECAUSE it has an adolescent girl as the "Dutch" of this movie. I saw her beat more than one adult French privateer/fur-trader. And so Hollywood continues to ply this falsehood that sex (gender) is a social construct, that a 14 year old girl CAN win out in a phyiscal fight against more than one adult male.

I do think think the cinematography, other aspects of the film are better than what we see. And while the woke girl boss horseshit is more understated than previous abominations, it is still there. Beyond that, there IS the pacing problem.

As Critical Drinker pointed out, the juxtaposition between the natives and the French traders is striking.

Despite the anti-white, pro diversity bias, I do think the concept could have worked if the predator were pitted against an actual Comanche warrior. But that is not what we have.

 

[CharcoalChkn]

Saw this the other day, pretty much feeling the same as everyone else, it wasn't horribly offensive, just okay.

There were a ton of small things that annoyed me though.

In particular that she could not fight her tribe mates successfully but was somehow strong enough to go hand to hand with the Predator.

I felt like the set ups were incredibly obvious too, the second they mentioned the flower cooling blood I knew that would be used to hide at some point.

And the mud pit scene was just so out of place that it was also obvious foreshadowing/introduction for later use.

I would have liked to see the tribe hunt a stronger Pred as a group, I think.

 

[TheHarbinger]

In particular that she could not fight her tribe mates successfully but was somehow strong enough to go hand to hand with the Predator.

Everyone knew that this would happen. She would fail some test of the tribe like a test of strength early on in the film. They would all discount her because of this. But then she would use her brains or knowledge of the terrain to win like the end of Apocalypto where Jaguar Paw uses the traps he made to kill his combatants (and even then he would be dead if the Spanish did not show up and shock his combatants). But her surviving repeated brushes with death is just the typical modern plot armored protagonist. Tyrion in Game of Thrones (and ASOIAF) survives endless combat, trials by combat, multiple kidnappings. Despite being a midget. You just have to expect that the main characters are impossible to kill.

Pretty much any human dealing with a super hero like in The Boys or dealing with a Predator or a Terminator would be dead in seconds. One good throw against a tree or brick wall and your back would be broken. The character Butcher on The Boys is literally thrown into a tree by a person who picked up a car earlier and threw it 100ft and he gets up like nothing happened to him mere minutes later. Everyone is plot armored now.

I felt like the set ups were incredibly obvious too, the second they mentioned the flower cooling blood I knew that would be used to hide at some point.

Predator is the dumbest franchise for this. Arnold straight up looks at the audience and says "he doesn't see me". Like the audience is retarded and they need everything explained to them. As if the Predator might not have super hearing and immediately turn around and shoot lasers into his head. This is just how a lot of horror or action stuff is. Gotta not only show Chekhov's Gun but explain it to the audience like they are in kindergarten.

And the mud pit scene was just so out of place that it was also obvious foreshadowing/introduction for later use.

Predator and Alien films are all about throwbacks to older films. Prometheus and Covenant have tons of references to AvP1. AvP:R nukes a city from orbit like was mentioned in Aliens. Predators has a guy yell "you're one ugly motherfucker". And another guy say "over here....turn around" like in Predator. There are mud pits in Predator 1 where Arnold covers himself so there are mud pits in Prey. So the writers of these films will basically throw in scenes from older movies rather than try something new.

Predator 2 and AvP:R might not be the best movies but there settings allowed for some newer stuff. Or they took ideas that others had tried before, like swimming practical effects Aliens, and put them into the movie.

 

[Fools Idol]

I'm sick of every movie needing to reinvent the Predator. The original monster/alien design is perfectly fine, we don't need a new type or subspecies every new film. The Predators from the first 2 films seem about the same level of competency but every Predator we've seen after seems like a total retard. The one in this film gets it's shit kicked in by literal unwashed savages and some natives too, you put this one up against Dutch's men or even Danny Glover, it'll be dead by morning.

 

[CharcoalChkn]

I'm sick of every movie needing to reinvent the Predator. The original monster/alien design is perfectly fine, we don't need a new type or subspecies every new film. The Predators from the first 2 films seem about the same level of competency but every Predator we've seen after seems like a total retard. The one in this film gets it's shit kicked in by literal unwashed savages and some natives too, you put this one up against Dutch's men or even Danny Glover, it'll be dead by morning.

I think this is a good point.

I actually watched Pred 2 straight after Prey to see how it stacked up. (I had heard Pred 2 was pretty bad) And while it did feel pretty boring and dragged on, I really did like some of the things going on in the movie and it felt very unique compared to Pred 1. The whole gang murders and city setting definitely gave it it's own personality. With that said I think Prey actually edges out as an entertaining movie over Pred 2 despite all the bullshit as I felt a bit less trapped in boring talking scenes.

 

[Commander X]

Concept: Predator vs. Maori. A Predator lands in pre-colonial New Zealand; he is promptly cooked and eaten. The end.

 

[TheHarbinger]

I'm sick of every movie needing to reinvent the Predator.

Aliens franchise does this as well. Eggmorphing. Queen aliens. The dog or ox alien. Predaliens. Ultramorphs. Engineers. Black goo and spores. Whatever those white things were in Covenant. The nonsense of the various creatures in Aliens 4. They are always looking for the next 'improvement' or design. They give none of the creatures any time to breathe on screen before rushing out the next one. By the second movie the Xenos were nothing but mindless cannon fodder for endless machine gun bursts and little girls were surviving entire colonies of adult Xenos.

I would not mind so much reinvention if we actually got a sequel or a few narratives sharing just one design every once in a while. A new Predator concept every single movie is too much. But this was better than Upgrade Predator or the Iron Man Suit at least.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I think this is a good point.

I actually watched Pred 2 straight after Prey to see how it stacked up. (I had heard Pred 2 was pretty bad) And while it did feel pretty boring and dragged on, I really did like some of the things going on in the movie and it felt very unique compared to Pred 1. The whole gang murders and city setting definitely gave it it's own personality. With that said I think Prey actually edges out as an entertaining movie over Pred 2 despite all the bullshit as I felt a bit less trapped in boring talking scenes.

Same. I rewatched 2 and Prey is better. DWI faggots.

 

[White Devil]

Same. I rewatched 2 and Prey is better. DWI faggots.

Thinking stronk native girl is better than Gary busey cheese should be grounds for being hunted by itself. Taste is subjective blah blah blah but Prey was fucking horrible.

 

[Iron Father]

 

[CowPox]

Nothing will ever be left alone ever again, the future is reheated ideas served over and over.

 

[Fools Idol]

I was going to write paraphs on my thoughts on the Predator franchise but it pretty much matches with the general consensus so here's my tier list Predator>Predator 2≥Predators ≥Prey>AVP 1&2>The Predator.

The concept of an alien on safari hunting Earths most deadliest prey is really cool but it's a one trick pony. Every new film runs the risk of rehashing the first one because the first film executed the concept almost perfectly. Some of the additions to the franchise like the move to an unban environment in 2 or the game reserve planet in Predators are pretty cool but it always comes with something retarded like the two different subspecies of Predator or whatever the fuck was going on in The Predator.

I think the part that really took me out of Prey was when the Predator fought the French trappers. To be clear, it's a fun little action scene but it make the Predator look like a total dipshit. If it wasn't for the ridicules levels of durability it displaced then the French would have skinned it alive. Predators aren't invincible, to quote the first film "if it bleeds, we can kill it" and the only reason the one in the first film survives as long as it did is because it uses stealth to it's advantage. It's always watching and studying it's prey but the one in Prey didn't know there was a bear trap on the floor?

In 1, it retreats to treat it's wounds. In 2, when things start to go wrong for the Predator it panics and tries to get back to it's ship. Even the Predators in the AVP films give up all pretence of the hunt to achieve new more important goals. The Predator in Prey isn't a Predator, it Jason Voorhees or Michael Myers. It's just a slasher villain relentlessly and mindlessly hunting people down, it doesn't even seem interested in trophies anymore.

Prey isn't a bad film but it falls into the same trap every new Predator film does. Put simply, it changes too much from the almost perfect original to reach the same height it did but keeps too much to be fresh and interesting.

As an aside, The Predator is an awful film but there is one thing I liked about it. I liked how the fugitive predator in it has a sense of humour, it's about the only thing I liked.

 

[That Chris Guy]

Not all that interested in seeing this, given that I know she goes through the film without taking any real damage and has no character development. Even the first film was wise enough to show that Dutch wasn't particularly euphoric about defeating an alien when it cost him his entire team of friends and fellow soldiers.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Thinking stronk native girl is better than Gary busey cheese should be grounds for being hunted by itself. Taste is subjective blah blah blah but Prey was fucking horrible.

That's the problem, the movie is overly cheesy and by moments its a fucking comedy, it doesn't take itself seriously in the worst early 90s way possible. It also portrays an apocalyptic future that's... 7 years from now?

And again if you want to talk about unrealistic fights, Prey has got nothing on Predator 2. Old man who can barely sprint 4 feet and looks like he's about to get his AARP card someone manages to beat him to death? Nigga please.

It's always watching and studying it's prey but the one in Prey didn't know there was a bear trap on the floor?

They see in infrared vision, so I'm not sure why they would be able to see a cold metal trap placed on the ground. That part is 100% believable and within the lore.

The Predator in Prey isn't a Predator, it Jason Voorhees or Michael Myers. It's just a slasher villain relentlessly and mindlessly hunting people down, it doesn't even seem interested in trophies anymore.

If you understand the movie as its a young predator on its first hunt, it makes a whole lot more sense that it's just going around and randomly killing stuff, just trying to figure what to skin and use as trophy. It's not an experienced one, it's literally its first hunt.

 

[Fools Idol]

They see in infrared vision, so I'm not sure why they would be able to see a cold metal trap placed on the ground. That part is 100% believable and within the lore.


If you understand the movie as its a young predator on its first hunt, it makes a whole lot more sense that it's just going around and randomly killing stuff, just trying to figure what to skin and use as trophy. It's not an experienced one, it's literally its first hunt.

Predators in the first 3 films (even AVP) are shown to be very cautious. They spend a lot of time simply observing their targets and don't just walk around. You can say it wouldn't see the metal trap because it sees in infrared and ok maybe, but do you know what it would see, the dozen French trappers like 10ft away. So, the Predator sees what is obviously an ambush and just leeroy jenkins it because this Predator is clearly a retard.

Also, predators don't just see in infrared, they have different vision modes some of which can see details on objects that aren't emitting an heat (see 2 and AVP). The one in the original saw right through Arnold's traps and they where made of wood same goes for the ones in Predators.

I'll accept that a young pred will fuck up but the film doesn't really mention that right?