r/antiwork - Yes, it's exactly what it sounds like.

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I keep seeing this 24 dollars an hour number for the minimum wage floating around, does anybody know where this specifically comes from?

My guess is that just like with the huge Bernie craze in 2015-2016, it's the whole "original minimum wage adjusted to inflation" schtick, and back then they said the number was 15 dollars an hour. I've never really understood this argument because the wages of the people in higher positions haven't adjusted all the way for inflation either.

I was part of that circle back then (because college), the reason according to one of my favorite literal communist websites (a Trotskyist outlet) was that $15/hour was the living wage (if you worked 40 hours a week) that matched closely with the rise in worker productivity, but $21/hour was what it would actually take to equal a living wage in many metropolitan areas due to a rise in the cost of living. This was like 2015 so I assume $21/hour is now $24/hour because inflation or some garbled talking point.

I recognized immediately even back then this was an idea that wouldn't work. What you really need is to lower the cost of living through various means which back then and now I'd still argue involves a lot of redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor. Not redistribute from the rich to the slightly less rich like Democrat politicians do when they divert billions to diversity studies, foreign aid, and the abject nonsense that makes its way into shit like "Build Back Better" or worse, the Green New Deal.

A great example of a minimum wage hike in practice is the Northern Mariana Islands (CNMI), a US territory. They used to have a minimum wage lower than the US and got (somewhat truthfully, even if the sweatshops weren't as bad as elsewhere) accused of having sweatshops because clothes made their could be marketed as being made in the US. Then they raised the minimum wage to match the US standard and all the clothes factories left the islands leaving a fuckton of people unemployed with poverty increasing as a result. Incidentally, CNMI is one of the most corrupt places in the US too.

Basically, advocating for a minimum wage hike is a simplistic solution to a complex problem. I don't even think there should be a federal minimum wage or even state minimum wage, it makes more sense to keep it at the local level since a rural county in Upstate New York and Manhattan would logically have very different sensible minimum wages. This is the same problem I had with the Trumpbux program, where last year working 40 hours a week made me not too much more than laid-off people sitting around doing nothing despite my state not having a high cost of living. Any sort of UBI needs to take into account local cost of living or else it will fuck over economies.

 

[Equivocal_Iki]

Basically, advocating for a minimum wage hike is a simplistic solution to a complex problem. I don't even think there should be a federal minimum wage or even state minimum wage, it makes more sense to keep it at the local level since a rural county in Upstate New York and Manhattan would logically have very different sensible minimum wages.

I like argueing this because it's easier to convince someone who believes in the minimum wage this than that there shouldn't be a minimum wage. Usually a locality will increase the minimum wage from something no one makes to another value no one makes and pat themselves on the back, unless it's seattle but at least they only end up screwing themselves over.

But these people don't think local. "Local? How about the most local of all, the individual decides for himself what his minimum wage is and refuses jobs below that. I see where you're going with this, cappy. We've got multinationals to consider."

 

[Shaka Brah]

I like argueing this because it's easier to convince someone who believes in the minimum wage this than that there shouldn't be a minimum wage. Usually a locality will increase the minimum wage from something no one makes to another value no one makes and pat themselves on the back, unless it's seattle but at least they only end up screwing themselves over.

But these people don't think local. "Local? How about the most local of all, the individual decides for himself what his minimum wage is and refuses jobs below that. I see where you're going with this, cappy. We've got multinationals to consider."

The Leftist will attack companies for using scabs to replace people who demand a higher wage and then defend immigration from every shithole country in the world in the same breath. The best way to improve worker power and raise wages is to shrink the labor pool dramatically.

 

[Flaming Insignias]

The Leftist will attack companies for using scabs to replace people who demand a higher wage and then defend immigration from every shithole country in the world in the same breath. The best way to improve worker power and raise wages is to shrink the labor pool dramatically.

I see no problem with strikebreaking: if someone refuses to do their job, fire them and make way for somebody that will. Government banning the firing of strikers has only made it that much harder to get anything done if you don't give the union bosses their pound of flesh.

 

[Shaka Brah]

I see no problem with strikebreaking: if someone refuses to do their job, fire them and make way for somebody that will. Government banning the firing of strikers has only made it that much harder to get anything done if you don't give the union bosses their pound of flesh.

But if you did see a problem with strikebreaking, and wanted to empower workers, it would be awfully hypocritical to then support the importation of infinity cheap scabs to replace you. Anyone who's for worker's rights and wants bargaining power to rise has to be against immigration in every form. Not just illegals, but work visas and other forms of labor importation.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

But if you did see a problem with strikebreaking, and wanted to empower workers, it would be awfully hypocritical to then support the importation of infinity cheap scabs to replace you. Anyone who's for worker's rights and wants bargaining power to rise has to be against immigration in every form. Not just illegals, but work visas and other forms of labor importation.

Historically most socialists were, including both Socialist Party members elected to Congress (both were Jewish immigrants born in Russia, most Socialist Party members were immigrants/children of immigrants). There was however a school of thought associated with anarchism and some early communists (the left wing of the socialist parties) that said immigration wasn't bad because then socialists could educate the immigrants and teach them proper socialism where they'd help overthrow the bourgeoisie.

Eventually this morphed over the years into immigration being a positive good because borders are evil capitalist/fascist constructs and now a proper socialist has to support open borders. It doesn't make sense to me and is one of the many things that helped me realize modern socialism/capitalism is a either a corporate tool (most Reddit socialists, AOC, etc.) or people obsessing over a dead ideology that will never come to power (because it's just not in human nature) and probably wouldn't even be that great if it were in power (Trotskyism, Maoism, etc.)

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

The Leftist will attack companies for using scabs to replace people who demand a higher wage and then defend immigration from every shithole country in the world in the same breath. The best way to improve worker power and raise wages is to shrink the labor pool dramatically.

Another good option is to limit (as in convince) a large proportion of women that they are happier maintaining a household over making PowerPoints. Maybe limit women to certain fields like Nursing, medical technicians and only allow widows with children to work.

For example up here in Ontario we are having a debate where leftists want $10 a day childcare. Which physically makes no sense with the amount they want to pay a childcare worker for 8 hours a day and one worker can only look after 10 kids or whatever limit they have set by legislation and common sense.

I want to argue that I know a way to get $0/day childcare if we just ban/discourage women from working. Just such a move would be political suicide (but then again women were the biggest and most loyal supporters of the National Socialist Party in Germany)

 

[Equivocal_Iki]

The Leftist will attack companies for using scabs to replace people who demand a higher wage and then defend immigration from every shithole country in the world in the same breath. The best way to improve worker power and raise wages is to shrink the labor pool dramatically.

I feel there's a hole in this. At some point the cheaper wages in other countries are going to outweigh the cost to ship from those countries, so you're going to need protectionism too to stop companies from moving their production outside the country. Not saying the answer is to bring the 3rd world in, but if you're going to keep sweatshop jobs you're going to have to keep sweatshop wages. The best way to raise wages is automation/machinery allowing each worker to produce more and thus be more valuable.

 

[ConspicuousArdiunoDue]

Yes, please contact Reddit in your time of workers awakening, this totally won't smooth your brain folds.

 

[TurdFondler]

Well status? Poisoned.


It's like McCarthyism holy shit. Better check under the receipt printer, toilet seat, and especially in your box of tendies because there are RIGHT WING ANTI TRANS XENOPHOBES everywhere

 

[chiobu]

Well status? Poisoned.
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It's like McCarthyism holy shit. Better check under the receipt printer, toilet seat, and especially in your box of tendies because there are RIGHT WING ANTI TRANS XENOPHOBES everywhere

oh was just about to post this, totally retarded

r/antiwork - Mods need to address right-wing infiltration of r/Antiwork. Racism, homophobia, transphobia and xenophobia on the sub are becoming a huge problem.

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[TurdFondler]

I couldn't bring myself to open the thread.

>antiwork is for everyone
>excludes right wingers

fuckin L O L

 

[MilesAwayGirl]

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Yes, please contact Reddit in your time of workers awakening, this totally won't smooth your brain folds.

I'm used to seeing checklists like this but the contact info at the bottom being for the IWW, GMB, NUM or whoever your industry's big union is. As in "Having problems with your boss? We will get your shop steward to help you fight your corner and get your wages brought up to par/get your hours guaranteed/get new safety rails on the machine you work on." not "Hey comrade, come and piss and moan on the interweb about your problems."

 

[ConspicuousArdiunoDue]

oh was just about to post this, totally retarded

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r/antiwork - Mods need to address right-wing infiltration of r/Antiwork. Racism, homophobia, transphobia and xenophobia on the sub are becoming a huge problem.

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"Look buddy, we already got rule 4, we already try as hard as we can to hug box everything. We use every single thing Reddit offers us pro-bono Jannies!"

Edit:

Rule 4. In sub with a bunch of collectivist ideologues, bans you for authoritarian and totalitarian content lmao.

 

[TurdFondler]

I HATE fascists, authoritarians and especially totalitarians!

Now show me your vaccine status before engaging in day to day activities, make sure you don't even visit the wrong subs or you'll be banned, and we will call your workplace if you disagree with the ideology.

 

[Tepuys]

oh was just about to post this, totally retarded

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>Black workers matter. Queer workers matter. Trans workers matter. Female workers matter. Disabled workers matter. And yes, non-American workers matter too.
>The mods need to make it 100% clear that this is a leftist space that has solidarity with all oppressed and disenfranchised populations.

Guess what leftists, Cletus and all his white supremacist friends down south make up the majority of poverty stricken families in the US. If these morons actually wanted to achieve class solidarity they would drop the identity politics and actually work with the working class. This "movement" is going to achieve even less than occupy wall street.

Oops. My bad. Its the Big Scary White Men that ruined everything. Im starting to think this whole sub is satire and that Im the retarded one.

 

[chiobu]

>Black workers matter. Queer workers matter. Trans workers matter. Female workers matter. Disabled workers matter. And yes, non-American workers matter too.
>The mods need to make it 100% clear that this is a leftist space that has solidarity with all oppressed and disenfranchised populations.

Guess what leftists, Cletus and all his white supremacist friends down south make up the majority of poverty stricken families in the US. If these morons actually wanted to achieve class solidarity they would drop the identity politics and actually work with the working class. This "movement" is going to achieve even less than occupy wall street.

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Oops. My bad. Its the Big Scary White Men that ruined everything. Im starting to think this whole sub is satire and that Im the retarded one.

That comment and post from a 2 month old account glows like the sun

r/stupidpol - There we go. I was waiting for it.

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There we go. I was waiting for it. : stupidpol

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[celebrityskin]

It's the 280+ awards for me.

 

[Nod Flenders]

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It's the 280+ awards for me.

You have to be a complete moron to give all these awards to a shit post in Reddit.

 

[Tepuys]

r/antiwork - Strippers Union! And why you should care.

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Strippers Union! And why you should care. : antiwork

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Always with the fucking strippers. Cant there be one leftist sub that isnt filled with coomers and whores?

That comment and post from a 2 month old account glows like the sun

r/stupidpol - There we go. I was waiting for it.

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There we go. I was waiting for it. : stupidpol

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You rdrama guys are going to have to step it up. Your trolling looks pathetic compared to this.