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I agree with that too, but the thing with the reverse income tax regime is that it would use existing infrastructure and get rid of an entire bloated department in the government, or prevent the creation of a UBI office on top of that. I only say a reverse income tax would be a better thing because obviously it would be nearly politically impossible to dismantle a system that gives payments out to the poor in the current state of US politics.

Basically, the reverse income tax idea is a sly idea to start pulling jenga blocks out of the welfare state by getting rid of the need for a completely independent government organ entirely for that purpose. Also, we already give income tax credits; we would also be simplifying the numbers keeping by just making the reverse income tax a credit.

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Also, we see from this graph, that even under a progressive income tax regime, a negative income tax regime could be set up to ensure that people don't feel as though their benefits are being lost as they transition from tax takers to tax payers. The current problem with the US's welfare program is that it has a gap between paying and taking, leaving the people on welfare to feel like they are losing quality of life by attempting to leave the welfare's benefits. (A phenomena termed the "welfare trap" or "welfare gap")

This of course also means we can get rid of old age payments like social security, and other income guaranteeing policies and bring them under a single policy that can be more easily politically dealt with. In the long run, it would just be a better idea imo.
Child tax credits and other, similar subsidies, are basically reverse income tax. All you need to receive them is to have children and earn less than a certain amount of income. I am sympathetic to these types of programs (even though I would never ever benefit from them).

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How naive do you have to be to think HR in a big corporation would care about applications clogging their systems? Those systems are already clogged, which is why qualified people have a hard time getting noticed. A hundred more applications from morons in NYC isn't going to make a difference.
 
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How naive do you have to be to think HR in a big corporation would care about applications clogging their systems? Those systems are already clogged, which is why qualified people have a hard time getting noticed. A hundred more applications from morons in NYC isn't going to make a difference.
Oh no our candidate management software had to automatically delete some more stuff. The horror.
 
Antiwork's trying to flood Kelloggs with job applications, wonder if they might face any IRL repercussions?

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I guess it's alright to fight for better working conditions but I'm not too sure about their methods here
 
Antiwork's trying to flood Kelloggs with job applications, wonder if they might face any IRL repercussions?

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I guess it's alright to fight for better working conditions but I'm not too sure about their methods here
They do know that the software that crawls through and takes applications has very useful filters on it, right? (at least in my experience with the Atlassian bundle)

Like you can literally have the software troll through large amounts of applications, looking for originality, key words, etc. and it would just automatically delete ones that didn't fit certain criteria? People who say their application was 'lost' are usually wrong, it was probably automatically pruned.

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Lol nevermind their application site will just go down, solidarity cumrads!
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They do know that the software that crawls through and takes applications has very useful filters on it, right? (at least in my experience with the Atlassian bundle)

Like you can literally have the software troll through large amounts of applications, looking for originality, key words, etc. and it would just automatically delete ones that didn't fit certain criteria? People who say their application was 'lost' are usually wrong, it was probably automatically pruned.

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Lol nevermind their application site will just go down, solidarity cumrads!
A top 10 agribusiness got unintentionally DDoSed by 100 NEETs. Never underestimate the IQ of corporate IT "professionals."
 
Antiwork's trying to flood Kelloggs with job applications, wonder if they might face any IRL repercussions?

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Getting put on a watchlist speedrun any% current wr
 
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Lol nevermind their application site will just go down, solidarity cumrads!
"Comrades".

Lumpenproletariat: Generally unemployable people who make no positive contribution to an economy. Sometimes described as the bottom layer of a capitalist society. May include criminal and mentally unstable people. Some activists consider them "most radical" because they are "most exploited," but they are un-organizable and more likely to act as paid agents than to have any progressive role in class struggle.

The lumpenproletariat is passive decaying matter of the lowest layers of the old society, is here and there thrust into the progressive movement by a proletarian revolution; however, in accordance with its whole way of life, it is more likely to sell out to reactionary intrigues.


This defintion by very Karl Marx himself reminds me of quite a few of the loudest r/antiwork posters...
 
"Comrades".

Lumpenproletariat: Generally unemployable people who make no positive contribution to an economy. Sometimes described as the bottom layer of a capitalist society. May include criminal and mentally unstable people. Some activists consider them "most radical" because they are "most exploited," but they are un-organizable and more likely to act as paid agents than to have any progressive role in class struggle.

The lumpenproletariat is passive decaying matter of the lowest layers of the old society, is here and there thrust into the progressive movement by a proletarian revolution; however, in accordance with its whole way of life, it is more likely to sell out to reactionary intrigues.


This defintion by very Karl Marx himself reminds me of quite a few of the loudest r/antiwork posters...
Look into Bioleninism to see how the lumpenproletariat became the backbone of Communist vanguardism.
 
but funny to think some of these guys think communism will mean they won't have to work :story:
These niggers never go and move to an actual communist country where they can be free of the awful capitalism and all its shit, even in my country during the height of the dictatorship when commies were getting free plane rides to the middle of the atlantic these niggers refused to escape to the soviet union or china and only left the country when they could get a refugee visa to sweden or even the evil yanki empire, any first world country really and if truly desperate some other third world country like mexico but never EVER an actual communist country like the one they wanted to turn this place into
 
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Many such cases!
It requires a Masters Degree because you, your grandparents, and parents, were convinced to flood the job market with pointless, bullshit degrees, in exchange for a ridiculous amount of debt.
When did rightist memes become just as unfunny as leftist memes? This is really sad to see.
I dunno what you're talking about, other than a couple being wordy, they're exactly correct, and exactly the sort of thing that makes reddit communists go up in flames.
 
I'd say I used to be the type to 'laugh' at 'communist' rhetoric but...to echo other posters. Mass Immigration. Shipping jobs overseas. Dan Price proving a CEO can take a paycut..give each worker a major pay raise lifting them out of poverty while still maintaining more than enough assets.

Should Amazon be able to run warehouses that literally have people running/peeing in bottles because productivity has to be so high? No.
I genuinely despise seeing this guy everywhere. He does a good thing and then proceeds to be extremely sanctimonious about it everywhere.

He can run a flat pay structure like that because his company is a Credit Card Processor. He has a small number of highly skilled employees in an industry that’s basically pure profit.

His brother also sued him for stealing from him, which forced him to admit in court that the big 70,000 minimum wage promise wasn’t actually fully implemented, and his ex wife said he was abusive, so I just get that feeling most people have about fundies. That holier than thou attitude exists to cover sick shit happening in the background.
 
I genuinely despise seeing this guy everywhere. He does a good thing and then proceeds to be extremely sanctimonious about it everywhere.

He can run a flat pay structure like that because his company is a Credit Card Processor. He has a small number of highly skilled employees in an industry that’s basically pure profit.

His brother also sued him for stealing from him, which forced him to admit in court that the big 70,000 minimum wage promise wasn’t actually fully implemented, and his ex wife said he was abusive, so I just get that feeling most people have about fundies. That holier than thou attitude exists to cover sick shit happening in the background.
I've been wanting to say this for a while: Dan Price is a conman who's cheated everyone involved in his business, and that his "year without a salary" was a publicity stunt to earn him favor for his political ambitions in SEATTLE. He's a techbro who thinks that his high-skill low-employee b2b company's ability to survive on high labor expenses proves that low-cost producers can do the same for their legions of low-skill workers.
 
I keep seeing this 24 dollars an hour number for the minimum wage floating around, does anybody know where this specifically comes from?

My guess is that just like with the huge Bernie craze in 2015-2016, it's the whole "original minimum wage adjusted to inflation" schtick, and back then they said the number was 15 dollars an hour. I've never really understood this argument because the wages of the people in higher positions haven't adjusted all the way for inflation either.

These communists always say shit like "prices won't rise with the cost of labor" and all of that (as costs rise, the consumer usually pays , pretty universal concept), but lets assume prices stay static (profits are reduced as wages increase); little do they know that the minimum wage is a sly trick used by billionaires to fuck up competition, especially small and medium sized local competition. Walmart lobbies for the minimum wage hikes, they can take the hit, small (and even larger) grocers and labor market competitors in their area have to downsize to stay afloat or they go away completely. Reel in the labor, choke out the competition. It doesn't help that they'll only take the best candidates that they can vacuum up from that process and leave behind the people that were previously employable but now basically unemployable at the current wage floor. I know that some states have exceptions to the minimum wage rules for smaller businesses, but this fact alone should show you that a minimum wage floor reduces employment because if it was a universal minimum wage (which strangely, is a huge talking point from leftists lmao) these small businesses would be downsizing and dying off. In the real world, a smaller business would do a gradual price rise and mix in some labor cuts, but no matter what they do, they become less effective competition to the sheer size of the giant they face.

But yeah, I don't see how they can just jump to demanding (and getting in some areas) 31,200 a year to 49,920 a year. Seems like lazy commies have collectively seen something they want to save up for, so it's time to demand a rise in allowance.
 
I keep seeing this 24 dollars an hour number for the minimum wage floating around, does anybody know where this specifically comes from?

My guess is that just like with the huge Bernie craze in 2015-2016, it's the whole "original minimum wage adjusted to inflation" schtick, and back then they said the number was 15 dollars an hour. I've never really understood this argument because the wages of the people in higher positions haven't adjusted all the way for inflation either.

These communists always say shit like "prices won't rise with the cost of labor" and all of that (as costs rise, the consumer usually pays , pretty universal concept), but lets assume prices stay static (profits are reduced as wages increase); little do they know that the minimum wage is a sly trick used by billionaires to fuck up competition, especially small and medium sized local competition. Walmart lobbies for the minimum wage hikes, they can take the hit, small (and even larger) grocers and labor market competitors in their area have to downsize to stay afloat or they go away completely. Reel in the labor, choke out the competition. It doesn't help that they'll only take the best candidates that they can vacuum up from that process and leave behind the people that were previously employable but now basically unemployable at the current wage floor. I know that some states have exceptions to the minimum wage rules for smaller businesses, but this fact alone should show you that a minimum wage floor reduces employment because if it was a universal minimum wage (which strangely, is a huge talking point from leftists lmao) these small businesses would be downsizing and dying off. In the real world, a smaller business would do a gradual price rise and mix in some labor cuts, but no matter what they do, they become less effective competition to the sheer size of the giant they face.

But yeah, I don't see how they can just jump to demanding (and getting in some areas) 31,200 a year to 49,920 a year. Seems like lazy commies have collectively seen something they want to save up for, so it's time to demand a rise in allowance.
I think they gave up and don't think of entrepreneurs/small-business at all. They want Amazon to be the only employer, and then use the government to get a "fair" wage there.

Very few people actually make minimum wage (<3% make the federal minimum) and usually they'll cite studies where the minimum wage was increased a bit somewhere and nothing bad happened, then use that to justify doubling or tripling it at the federal level. A better question would be "what percentage of the population should be making the minimum wage?".
 
I think they gave up and don't think of entrepreneurs/small-business at all. They want Amazon to be the only employer, and then use the government to get a "fair" wage there.

Very few people actually make minimum wage (<3% make the federal minimum) and usually they'll cite studies where the minimum wage was increased a bit somewhere and nothing bad happened, then use that to justify doubling or tripling it at the federal level. A better question would be "what percentage of the population should be making the minimum wage?".
I for one, cannot wait until the bar I go to shoot darts and play pool with the boys at is an Amazon Subsidiary official "RelaX point"!
 
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