Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

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I don't think it's unreasonable to change someone's ideology to account for changes in their geopolitical environment - e.g. Kaiserreich making De Gaulle a convinced Integralist as a reaction to another communard revolution. The problem comes from when the changes are made to denigrate a person prima facie by people who don't bother to understand the ideology they're imposing - e.g. Kaiserreich making Integralism a stand-in for le ebil Nazi chuds.
 
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These Bolshevik "Freedom Fighters" have been terrorizing Europa for too long. We shall destroy them as we did the degenerate Himmler.
Herr Robotnik has already begun construction of the Reich Egg, the ultimate weapon!
With its completion, our children and our children children will be finally free from the animals that plague us!

@Sooty Soot A few gameplay bugs, plus I made it so that the state menu shows country flags properly. You can check the git to see what I am up to.
 
I've made the terrible mistake of trying to learn this game for the second time, and i'm convinced there is a hidden cabal of HOI4 players purposefully trying to hide how land combat works
"you VILL use this infantry division, goy. You VILL use this tank division. No, you may not understand why."
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Delete divisions

It's the only way to play since the AI will shit out utter garbage divisions because it is Paradox's way to compensate for dogshit AI. Why yes, I will cheat so I have fun instead of staring at a static frontline for 15 fucking hours because I can't keep up with the war of attrition that is 15 monster divisions created by the AI sitting in the same tile, somehow not draining supply.
 
I just hit things onto other things in the division editor until I have something that wins battles

Realtalk: you can't go wrong with a basic ass infantry division of 6-9 infantry brigades with support engineers and support artillery. Add recon/logistics/medical guys according to budget and/or tastes.
 
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While you're all waiting for 2WRW to update, I'd recommend this mod. It's essentially 2WRW but with way more content for the Communist unifiers, including OTL borders and puppeting Germany and even a post-war focus tree. It's a power fantasy, but it's kino, just like how that one Berzeniki submod could have you crown Alexei Kosigyn as Alexei II and balkanize Germany. Of course. a Chink made this like with 80% of actually released mods, proving my earlier point about how they have a good work ethic, but it's machine translated to English. Still, I wouldn't mind fixing every piece of localisation since it seems there ain't that much.
 
It's retarded because Ian Smith IRL was actually very moderate ideologically. He did have in mind a plan to grant majority rule at some point in the far future once ZANLA was defeated, probably long after he died of natural causes (so probably up to the 90s, maybe 2000s) but the idea was there. iirc his plan was to develop Rhodesia and keep it stable and free from communism and make sure that when they do have majority rule, it'll be under a functioning government where the whites don't feel threatened at all.

Even in general, the Republic of Rhodesia was a lot more moderate than South Africa at the time and there was hardliners in the Rhodesian government and rival political parties who hated him simply because he didn't go far enough. Now whether or not they're right is up to debate, but it's retarded that TrooNO brands Ian Smith and the mainstream Rhodesian Front as a generic fascist party when in reality, shocker, there's more nuance to that.


The idea of Ian Smith wanting to grant majority rule is a meme lmao. Direct quote from the man himself.

Let me say it again. I don't believe in black majority rule ever in Rhodesia—not in a thousand years. I repeat that I believe in blacks and whites working together. If one day it is white and the next day it is black, I believe we have failed and it will be a disaster for Rhodesia.
Ian Smith did not want majority rule, he wanted a white and black government where whites held the positions of power for another decade, which was unacceptable to ZANU and ZAPU, and as the Internal Settlement with Abel Muzorewa in March of 78 would show, it didn't end the war. Peace was only realised when Smith realised that a white state just did not have enough people to continue. I mean it was just not sustainable. In 1976, of the approximately 250,000 whites, only 20% held Rhodesian passports (Smith excluded, as he held a British passport. LOL.)

The overarching policy of white Rhodesia was the Colour Bar and the 1947 Native Urban Areas Accommodation Act, the latter of which split urban areas into African and European sections. Europeans could not live in African areas which were often poor townships, but Africans could reside in European areas as basically servants in white households. Africans could enter some shops in the European areas so they could do grocery shopping for their white employers, but purchases were made usually through a separate area from the rest of white shoppers.

All major European towns, Salisbury, Gwelo, Bulawayo, Umtali, Melsetter, were open to Africans from 9am to 9pm but outside of those times, only with a pass from an employer. African service at all businesses were not guaranteed. Theatres had seperate entrances for blacks and whites, restaurants had separate dining areas, hotels didn't even allow Africans to rent a room. UCRN (a supposedly forward thinking and racially integrated university) had segregated living quarters and only after a fierce effort by Terence Ranger and John Reed in the late 1960s was that changed. Codified racial discrimination act in Rhodesia is basically broken down to the Land Apportionment Act of 1930 and what succeeded it, the land Tenure Act of 1969 which ensured spatial division on the basis of race. It divided Rhodesia into 5 sections with racial separation being the intended goal.

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Give Ian Smith's book the Great Betrayal a read. It's a great insight into the mind of a man that nearly single handedly dragged Rhodesia into and through the war, completely ignorant to his surroundings. Two other great books on Rhodesia are the Last Days of White Rhodesia by Denis Hills, and From Rhodesia to Zimbabwe by W.H. Morris Jones.

tl;dr If Ian Smith wasn't a retard, declared a cult of personality and had his little Churchill esque "we will fight on the beaches!!" moment in the limelight and actually cared about the white people in Rhodesia majority rule would have happened instantly and retarded Maoists would not have taken power, and Rhodesia, Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe-Rhodesia or whatever it would have been called might have been a decent place to live. Thanks Ian.
 
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Give Ian Smith's book the Great Betrayal a read. It's a great insight into the mind of a man that nearly single handedly dragged Rhodesia into and through the war, completely ignorant to his surroundings. Two other great books on Rhodesia are the Last Days of White Rhodesia by Denis Hills, and From Rhodesia to Zimbabwe by W.H. Morris Jones.
Thanks for the correction. Admittedly a lot of what I know is mostly from hearsay since I've been busy lately but this is really some valuable stuff. I was sort of under the impression that Rhodesia's white population was much more smaller compared to South Africa's (if we put their peak numbers side by side) that it was a point of contention within Rhodesian politics and well... Kind of obvious, y'know?

And I was also under the impression that since the RWPP existed as a reaction to RF policies, I assumed Smith was maybe 'a little moderate' or something of the sort.
 
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Thanks for the correction. Admittedly a lot of what I know is mostly from hearsay since I've been busy lately but this is really some valuable stuff. I was sort of under the impression that Rhodesia's white population was much more smaller compared to South Africa's (if we put their peak numbers side by side) that it was a point of contention within Rhodesian politics.

I was sort of under the impression that since the RWPP existed, I assumed Smith was 'a little moderate' or something of the sort.
Hey man. We all start somewhere. But yeah, those books are absolutely invaluable and are all great reads. even Ian Smith's. I think you can find them all in archive.org? I'd link them here but it's late and I don't want to start digging and end up going to bed super late.
 
Hey man. We all start somewhere. But yeah, those books are absolutely invaluable and are all great reads. even Ian Smith's. I think you can find them all in archive.org? I'd link them here but it's late and I don't want to start digging and end up going to bed super late.
I found Ian Smith's one
 

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Peace was only realised when Smith realised that a white state just did not have enough people to continue. I mean it was just not sustainable. In 1976, of the approximately 250,000 whites, only 20% held Rhodesian passports (Smith excluded, as he held a British passport. LOL.)
Brits/Europeans were at most only 8% of the population,. The only way this state was going to work was it the British maintained the empire and constant military presense. Whatever major victories that a lot of White Nationalists like to say they achieved were irrelevant.

tl;dr If Ian Smith wasn't a retard, declared a cult of personality and had his little Churchill esque "we will fight on the beaches!!" moment in the limelight and actually cared about the white people in Rhodesia
If Smith was smart he should have advocated and even forced in some way for afull scale mass immigration of all Europeans in the nation in the 1960s when it was clear Britain was going to decolonise. This mass immigration could have been spread out to Britain, Australia, NZ, Canada and even the US. The same should have happened in South Africa too and should happen now as well.
 
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I usually use it early game in vanilla to get my initial deficit of equipment taken care of early.
Really? I use it in a completely different way; disbanding almost all of my starting air and any armored units and selling those crappy interwar planes and tanks on the market for the highest price to jump start my economy.
 
I've made the terrible mistake of trying to learn this game for the second time, and i'm convinced there is a hidden cabal of HOI4 players purposefully trying to hide how land combat works
"you VILL use this infantry division, goy. You VILL use this tank division. No, you may not understand why."
There is a logic behind it and stuff out there explaining it but the simple version (I might be wrong so don't quote me) is that under the hood its rolling for damage each tick, division hardness will make them more susceptible to either soft or hard attacks, defence and breakthrough are used defensive and offensively respectively to block damage.

Attacks damage HP and organisation which is why you tend to use the same kind of templates for infantry and tanks because you want the sweet spot between having good attack stats using artillery, tanks, etc. while also having the organisation provided by the infantry to be able to take damage and stay in the fight long enough to break the enemy, combat width is the amount of divisions you can get into a fight and dependent on terrain and number of angles of attack. The reason why 7/2 or 14/4 inf/art divisions were the gold standard infantry template for so long is because it has high soft attack with enough organisation and a width that was ideal for most battlefields.
 
I've made the terrible mistake of trying to learn this game for the second time, and i'm convinced there is a hidden cabal of HOI4 players purposefully trying to hide how land combat works
"you VILL use this infantry division, goy. You VILL use this tank division. No, you may not understand why."
There's no issue in winging the divisions designs a bot, especially if you're industry is trash. 6 Infantry, 3 arty is a good loadout, but even just having 2 or 1 arty is good enough to hold the line. Using tanks as your main offensive tool is ideal, but you can also just spam CAS and push with infantry. If you're playing a weak nation though, attritional warfare is almost inevitable since you can't afford any of the good stuff.

It also depends on the mod. TfR starting templates are awful overcomplicated garbage, don't use them if you can help it. For KX, militia is just worse infantry and should really only be used if you have to. And if you want to win in rises again, spam armor techs and use MBTs couples with motorized or APCs. If you can grab them as well, helicopter infantry are essentially hilariously fast motorized and you can utterly destroy nations just by zipping to their vps.
tl;dr If Ian Smith wasn't a retard, declared a cult of personality and had his little Churchill esque "we will fight on the beaches!!" moment in the limelight and actually cared about the white people in Rhodesia majority rule would have happened instantly and retarded Maoists would not have taken power, and Rhodesia, Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe-Rhodesia or whatever it would have been called might have been a decent place to live. Thanks Ian.
Anyway, here's how Ian Smith could have won if he declared a monarchy and crowned himself Duke of Zimdesia
 
Patriot Front praises their appearance in TFR. I'm sure this will be used as fodder for those reddit leftists that hate TFR.
The funniest part about Patriot Front's existence is the rumor that Thomas Rousseau got his start in fascism via Roblox, specifically through groups lead by a guy named Lewisado who at one point had a Hitler shrine room. No, that's not a joke, it's was real at some point in the Mid 2010s. It's funny knowing that this dude influenced a very popular HOI4 mod, and an entire movement even if by indirect means.
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I am going to go make a Kaiserredux submod now
You know, i was just looking through KX's Discord.
Fun fact, Type !ban in the search bar and count how many times you see That Autistic Tranny who speaks like a Vivziepop script (Nicola) banning somebody for the most retarded reason. It's not just them as well (Albeit they seem to do it for kicks ig) but it's genuinely incredible how easily you can just get Banned from their server for doing a vague bug report lmao.

The funniest part about Patriot Front's existence is the rumor that Thomas Rousseau got his start in fascism via Roblox
Some guys in Red Dusk were mentioning Thomas and his Court case (That he fumbled) apparently he stole a discord server and that was his first big break or someshit. i paid attention to the convo once a dev posted the old Bob Larson V James Mason interview and then i dipped from it.
 
I thought it was some random ANC activist who kills him in some retards idea of revenge fantasyover Ian Smitth governing UDI Rhodesia in real life. Did they change it?

A lot of revenge fantasies in HOI4 modding. In the toozer UoB rework for Kaiserreich, if Mosley fails to take power, his wife leaves him, he loses all friends and support, and ends up bankrupt. Why? He's an evil nazi chud!
As much as now praise Panzer era stuff this was a fault of his and he was behind that push. Its revenge fantasy. Its also why the Rhodesians are around and collabs with Hutting when in all honestly they would probably be pro-OFN but to Panzer and the team both old and new all whiteys in Africa are evil and would side with the Germans for total nigger death. This even extends to other strange things. For example remember big Romania in the original release? That was cause someone, probably a Romanian nationalist, convinced Panzer that Hungarian Transylvania was like Rhodesia. Which I know Hungary V Romania is standard Balkan autism sorta like Serbia vs Croatia/Bosnia but still he was kind of retarded to buy a Balkan narrative like that uncritically.
 
The funniest part about Patriot Front's existence is the rumor that Thomas Rousseau got his start in fascism via Roblox, specifically through groups lead by a guy named Lewisado who at one point had a Hitler shrine room. No, that's not a joke, it's was real at some point in the Mid 2010s. It's funny knowing that this dude influenced a very popular HOI4 mod, and an entire movement even if by indirect means.
Modern internet archiving is showing the butterfly effect in motion. Like the TNO event chain where an offhand suggestion by Franco can make Argentina go EsoNaz BurgSynd. Though this one is real and far more retarded than TNO fanfiction.
 
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You know, i was just looking through KX's Discord.
Fun fact, Type !ban in the search bar and count how many times you see That Autistic Tranny who speaks like a Vivziepop script (Nicola) banning somebody for the most retarded reason. It's not just them as well (Albeit they seem to do it for kicks ig) but it's genuinely incredible how easily you can just get Banned from their server for doing a vague bug report lmao.
Trannies: Not even once
 
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