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I realize this is a super old thread, but I figured I'd ask this on a thread covering the Friday's After Five topic instead of making a new one.

I'm making a Chris Chan cosplay of his "want woman" attire that he wore at Fridays After Five. Can anyone identify what he's wearing around his neck? I know it's not his usual medallion, but I can't make out from the pictures what it was. It looks like maybe a military ID tag, or something. Was he watching Val Kilmer play beach volleyball right before this? The CWCki article on the subject doesn't seem to mention it at all. I really want to get all of the details as accurate as possible on this. Thanks.
 
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I realize this is a super old thread, but I figured I'd ask this on a thread covering the Friday's After Five topic instead of making a new one.

I'm making a Chris Chan cosplay of his "want woman" attire that he wore at Fridays After Five. Can anyone identify what he's wearing around his neck? I know it's not his usual medallion, but I can't make out from the pictures what it was. It looks like maybe a military ID tag, or something. Was he watching Val Kilmer play beach volleyball right before this? The CWCki article on the subject doesn't seem to mention it at all. I really want to get all of the details as accurate as possible on this. Thanks.
You couldn't have asked this in the random thoughts and questions thread man?

edit lol it got moved here
 
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If you look at the context, I was addressing the argument that "Chris doesn't want to bang trannies, but he wants people to bang him, therefore he's a hypocrite". As I pointed out, that's not a good argument.

You can be whatever you want and be attracted to whoever you want, that doesn't make you a hypocrite. You can be an overweight guy attracted to skinny girls, a white guy attracted to black girls, etc. There is no obligation for Chris to bang a tranny, and it is dumb to argue there is.

Where Chris loses people is when he seems to expect or feel entitled to people to bang him. That's problematic no matter what, and an extra layer of something like hypocrisy is added when he expects people to want to bang him, and doesn't accept an excuse, i.e. "I am not interested in trannies", that he gives himself, as valid.

He also loses people by being rude about it. Noone should expect him to bang trannies, but it is fair enough to expect him not to post "Absolutely no trannies" publicly. Just politely decline, preferably without mentioning gender issues, if a romantic opportunity with a tranny arises.

Chris does have sexual issues. They're just not substantially related to his sexuality (that is, gay vs straight sexuality, that is).

For example, pre-trolling, Chris' concerns about being turned gay were pretty mild. They existed, but they didn't substantially affect his life. Additionally, after the substantial, organized trolling ended (when Bob died), Chris also stopped caring about being called gay. The only time when the gay paranoia surged in Chris was during the trolling.

As far as religion goes, I really don't think Chris was exposed to any anti-gay stuff in church. Admittedly, I have very little experience with churches, but I cannot imagine Chris having gone to a church where sexuality was ever touched upon in the main service. None of his churches have been remotely conservative enough.

I always got the impression that his parents might be the original source of his homophobia. I agree with the general theory that trolling really blew up what was a relatively minor part of Chris' psyche, but it seems like Bob might have been the original source. Chris often cited Bob's feelings about homosexuality, which were pretty negative, including as an excuse/justification for his own beliefs.

I don't quite know if Bob had any particular reason for his homophobia, other than being an old southern guy, but there might have been a religious aspect to his bigotry, which got passed on to Chris.
 
Noone should expect him to bang trannies, but it is fair enough to expect him not to post "Absolutely no trannies" publicly.

This is an important distinction. The latter is extremely rude. We all know he decided to create his own attraction location by disguising it as a lesbian slumber party, so maybe he forgot the disguise when he wrote that exclusion, as he is prone to, but that does not excuse the rudeness.

If you're looking for signs of bigotry on Chris, what about race? Didn't someone say Chris was hosting some kind of game tournament and were matching kids by race, telling the single Asian kid he couldn't play because there wasn't another Asian kid? It's not outright hate, but that's pretty bigoted.
 
This is an important distinction. The latter is extremely rude. We all know he decided to create his own attraction location by disguising it as a lesbian slumber party, so maybe he forgot the disguise when he wrote that exclusion, as he is prone to, but that does not excuse the rudeness.

If you're looking for signs of bigotry on Chris, what about race? Didn't someone say Chris was hosting some kind of game tournament and were matching kids by race, telling the single Asian kid he couldn't play because there wasn't another Asian kid? It's not outright hate, but that's pretty bigoted.
Just sounds teeth gritting bigoted to me.
 
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You can be whatever you want and be attracted to whoever you want, that doesn't make you a hypocrite. You can be an overweight guy attracted to skinny girls, a white guy attracted to black girls, etc. There is no obligation for Chris to bang a tranny, and it is dumb to argue there is.

Where Chris loses people is when he seems to expect or feel entitled to people to bang him. That's problematic no matter what, and an extra layer of something like hypocrisy is added when he expects people to want to bang him, and doesn't accept an excuse, i.e. "I am not interested in trannies", that he gives himself, as valid.
There's no obligation for Chris to bang anyone. But still, if he believes that being a woman is the sole qualifier to getting a woman-attracted person to bang you, but refuses to bang transwomen himself, that's hypocritical.

I just don't believe he holds that view.

That is to say, if a lesbian turned Chris down for having a penis, I don't think he'd flip out and insist that that's unfair or anything like that. He might try to whine and wheedle, but I think he'd quickly accept that he lost the fight on that one.

Chris doesn't think being a woman entitles him to sex with any one specific woman. Heh, Chris hasn't heard of the concept of the "cotton ceiling" yet.
I always got the impression that his parents might be the original source of his homophobia. I agree with the general theory that trolling really blew up what was a relatively minor part of Chris' psyche, but it seems like Bob might have been the original source. Chris often cited Bob's feelings about homosexuality, which were pretty negative, including as an excuse/justification for his own beliefs.

I don't quite know if Bob had any particular reason for his homophobia, other than being an old southern guy, but there might have been a religious aspect to his bigotry, which got passed on to Chris.
When did Chris cite Bob's feelings about homosexuality?

The only examples I can think of Bob's homophobia is when he referred to the gay kids at the game place.

I'm pretty reluctant to say much about Bob's views on anything because we really didn't know much of anything about Bob. Like, I'm a lot more specific when talking about Chris because we know Chris very well. I know how Chris would react in many situations, mostly because I've specifically watched him react.

We don't know much about Bob that wasn't either hearsay or happened under duress. For example, if our primary source for claims about Bob's views on things are things he's said during prank calls, I don't take that very seriously. It's not that it's not evidence, but it's more like secondary evidence. It's useful, but not on its own. If we had some primary evidence, like Bob calmly discussing why he dislikes the negros or the fags, and then that was backed up by him saying bigoted things during prank calls, that'd be a lot more persuasive.

But like I said, all we've got are prank calls and hearsay.
If you're looking for signs of bigotry on Chris, what about race? Didn't someone say Chris was hosting some kind of game tournament and were matching kids by race, telling the single Asian kid he couldn't play because there wasn't another Asian kid? It's not outright hate, but that's pretty bigoted.
I don't think the hate vs bigotry distinction is that important. Hate isn't the big issue, the bigotry is.

That being said, I don't think there's much evidence to suggest that actually happened. That sounds like a ween story about Chris.
 
When did Chris cite Bob's feelings about homosexuality?

The only examples I can think of Bob's homophobia is when he referred to the gay kids at the game place.

I'm pretty reluctant to say much about Bob's views on anything because we really didn't know much of anything about Bob. Like, I'm a lot more specific when talking about Chris because we know Chris very well. I know how Chris would react in many situations, mostly because I've specifically watched him react.

We don't know much about Bob that wasn't either hearsay or happened under duress. For example, if our primary source for claims about Bob's views on things are things he's said during prank calls, I don't take that very seriously. It's not that it's not evidence, but it's more like secondary evidence. It's useful, but not on its own. If we had some primary evidence, like Bob calmly discussing why he dislikes the negros or the fags, and then that was backed up by him saying bigoted things during prank calls, that'd be a lot more persuasive.

As one example, in IRC (03 January 2009), Chris said "My father is OLD FASHIONED; he NEVER gives thought to homos, and he HATES them too."

This comes from Chris, which makes it an extremely unreliable source about Bob's actual opinions, but it is a decent source about how Chris sees the world.
 
Well, I mean, I'm sure they held those attitudes, but I can't imagine them being brought up in sermons. It's not like Chris went to Sunday school or anything like that. I'm sure Rocky's church wouldn't have brought it up, at least.

There was the baptist church that would've been a possibility, I suppose.
Christian churches are generally negative on homosexuality. Only the hardcore, Vice-does-a-documentary-on-them type go all in on bringing it up on the regular. Most church sermons are about "Yo, Jesus is pretty cool and you should try to live like him." I can totally see it being brought up but I highly doubt it was that ingrained in Chris when he went to church on the regular.
 
Christian churches are generally negative on homosexuality. Only the hardcore, Vice-does-a-documentary-on-them type go all in on bringing it up on the regular. Most church sermons are about "Yo, Jesus is pretty cool and you should try to live like him." I can totally see it being brought up but I highly doubt it was that ingrained in Chris when he went to church on the regular.
That's the impression that I have. If Chris had direct, religious instruction in a classroom, then I could see a bigger influence. But just the weekly sermon? Doubtful.

Heh, I mean, he had to get the Leviticus quote from Family Guy.
 
That's the impression that I have. If Chris had direct, religious instruction in a classroom, then I could see a bigger influence. But just the weekly sermon? Doubtful.

Heh, I mean, he had to get the Leviticus quote from Family Guy.

But he looked up to Bob. He takes Bob's words with enough weight that they teamed up to try to talk Barb out of hoarding. It's not out of the question for him to pick up on any subtle bigotry that Bob may or may not harbor. Keeping in mind that Chris takes everything literal, even the "get your black ass down to the gutter and stay there" line Bob said over the phone may have influenced him on how he is expected to react to blacks, and the same may apply to anything Bob may have said on a whim about LGBTVHS.

Then the question goes back to how bigoted Bob was.
 
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But he looked up to Bob. He takes Bob's words with enough weight that they teamed up to try to talk Barb out of hoarding. It's not out of the question for him to pick up on any subtle bigotry that Bob may or may not harbor. Keeping in mind that Chris takes everything literal, even the "get your black ass down to the gutter and stay there" line Bob said over the phone may have influenced him on how he is expected to react to blacks, and the same may apply to anything Bob may have said on a whim about LGBTVHS.

Then the question goes back to how bigoted Bob was.
I don't think Chris was pulled to oppose the hoarding because of Bob's words. I think Chris already found the hoarding annoying and Bob happened to agree with him once.

Many, many things Bob did Chris disagreed with and complained about.

I also don't think Chris is likely to pick up on subtle bigotry at all. That's very much the opposite of what Chris does. Chris picks up on very explicit bigotry, and even then, Chris is pretty dumb. Things fly over his head all the time.

Ultimately, I think if Bob substantially contributed to Chris' homophobia, we'd hear a lot more explicit quotations from Chris on the subject.

Compare Barb's views on Cole. Chris parrots that stuff verbatim. Chris parrots most of his views verbatim, now that I think about it.

That's not to say Bob wasn't bigoted. We just don't have many examples of it, and considering Chris' lack of subtlety, the absence of evidence is an unusual vacuum if you're looking to explain Chris' homophobia that way.
 
Well on the other hand, I think Bob's willingness to mingle with Korean churches is not proof of his tolerance either. Plenty of people from that era hold certain negative assumptions about specific groups, then meet members of those groups who behave opposite to those assumptions, only to be considered the exceptions no matter how many times these "exceptions" are encountered. Those "yeah but you don't count" statements happen all the time. I think we're back to square one, not knowing Bob is one way or another.
 
Using 'get your black ass down to the gutter and stay there,' as a derogatory term is one example. I don't think Bob was an out and out racist or anything don't get me wrong but he did tend to show an attitude that most southern men around his age had. That's more to do with the time he lived in than Bob himself.
He seems no more racist than any other man his age. My grandfather was the same way.

He fits right in :)
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That kid has the best facial expression ever.
 
Many, many things Bob did Chris disagreed with and complained about.

Would you happen to have any examples of this that you could share that aren't widely known Marvin? I always found his relationship with Bob to be one of the more curious things about Chris and by Chris's own admission that Bob 'started more arguments than there are flies in a garbage dump,' I can imagine he complained about Bob to the people he'd chat with online quite often.

I'm already imagining most of them are pretty mundane though sadly, but some we know, like the fact they'd argue and be split over what's better between McDonalds and Burger King, are still hilarious.
 
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