Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[A-№1]

Chris did, for a time use other methods to get to the ladies: tying a sting to a paper heart and throwing it at them;

Which is not chasing them.

putting a rock, tying it to a paper heart and throwing it at them.

Also not chasing them.

Don't underestimate a tard and his love quest. Bottom line is Chris went after women, no matter if he's sitting still or lumbering about.

Oh, there's no doubt Chis "wanted woman". He even had the shirt to prove it. But he didn't want a woman enough to put any actual exertion into it. All his attempts in his Love Quest involved trying to get (or trick or whatever) women to come to him. The difference is significant. At best he'd try weird behaviors (such as throwing rocks) like something in a dating sim, and then get frustrated when the promised boyfriend-free-girl failed to magically appear. It never, ever occurred to him that relationships with other people need to be earned.

It's almost like he believes he's entitled to female attention.

Oh wait, he does believe that.

They let people who have done far, far worse things out on bail, even in Virginia.

But the nature of the crime is just one of the factors considered when bail is set, and often not the biggest. With Chris there are so many other things to consider.

Anyone can see that Chris is not a huge flight risk,

While he's not a huge flight risk, there's a significant chance he simply wouldn't bother showing up for court. Someone would need to manage him to keep his appointments, evaluations, etc. Chris is not worth the court's time babysitting him, especially when he's already contained in a jail set up for exactly that sort of thing.

nor is he at risk of reoffending if he were kept away from 14BC (ankle monitor).

An ankle monitor would not be sufficient to keep Chris away from his lego. All it would do is make it easier to know when he inevitably violated terms of his release. Someone would still have to go deal with him when he does. Left loose and un-managed, Chris is all but guaranteed to do something to put him right back into jail, creating even more work for the court. So why not cut out the middle man and just keep him in jail?

Also, with someone like Chris it's not always a matter of re-offending as it is the possibility of him coming up with new offenses.

His previous record speaks somewhat well of him in this regard since he has shown up to court dates, etc. and has never jumped bail.

But only because someone else, namely Barb, was making sure of it. Chris on his own is no guarantee of that. The court had to have been aware of that.

It's 90% that he has nowhere to go and 10% him being stalked by weens. The prosecutor even pointed out that denying bail was for Chris' well-being.

But that's exactly my point. Chris was not denied bail because he's some notorious criminal mastermind, but because he's well, Chris.

If his family had been willing to take him in (and hadn't instead called the cops to keep him away) he probably would not be in jail right now.

Absolutely. And had Uncle Tom and Aunt Harriet signed to be responsible for him, the court likely wouldn't have assessed any bail at all. Just handed him over.

The court needs someone to be responsible for Chris. That clearly can't be Chris himself. Or Barb, obviously. So who, then? His family have refused. Some random ween? No bondsman is going to take Chris on. So Greene County remains responsible for Chris by default, and the best way they can be responsible for him is by keeping him in jail.

AFAIK the court didn't factor in the EPO at all, or even mention it.

I don't think the court needed to mention it. It's not that Chris violated the EPO, but how he violated the EPO that mattered: unintentionally, stupidly, and selfishly. Chris proved fairly definitively that, left to his own devices, he'll fuck up again. And again. Add weens into the mix and you've catalyzed catastrophe. Meanwhile, keeping him in jail at least minimizes his opportunities to fuck up.

tl;dr: Chris is still in jail simply because, well, it's easier for everybody that way.

Even in the areas for people under protection?

Assuming Chris gets sentenced to hard time (he won't), he still wouldn't get put in a private cell of his own. There simply isn't the room or budget to afford someone like Chris that sort of special attention. Why spend the money putting him in a maximum security facility for violent offenders only to have to waste eve more money putting him in special confinement to protect him from those violent offenders? He would likely be placed with other low-risk offenders in a low security facility, but he would definitely have at least one cell mate.

Honestly, I'd pity whoever gets put in with Chris more than I'd worry about Chris himself.

Oh, and he's in special protective custody while he's in jail because jails tend to have a wider variety of inmates then prisons do. inmates get assigned to prisons, but jails tend to have to take all comers.

 

[The Courier*]

I'm going to ask a gross thing, but the justice did what is called a "rape kit" on Barbara Chandler? Did they swab her vagina and found traces of semen or something that indicates there was indeed sexual abuse?

 

[Sharkbait]

I'm going to ask a gross thing, but the justice did what is called a "rape kit" on Barbara Chandler? Did they swab her vagina and found traces of semen or something that indicates there was indeed sexual abuse?

We don't know and likely never will.

 

[Nikes_JustDoIt]

We don't know and likely never will.

To add to this, until there is a charge to Chris, we won't know.

 

[The Courier*]

We don't know and likely never will.

To add to this, until there is a charge to Chris, we won't know.

Following question, what would happen to barb now that she is a victim of sexual assault?

Also, I don't know if this is true or not, I read it on reddit, but apparently Barbara liked it...? Is that true?!


Thank you preemptively for your answers.

 

[Nikes_JustDoIt]

Following question, what would happen to barb now that she is a victim of sexual assault?

Also, I don't know if this is true or not, I read it on reddit, but apparently Barbara liked it...? Is that true?!


Thank you preemptively for your answers.

If she is most likely, she gets sent to a home, and the house is foreclosed, or Chris can not see her at all. Either way, Chris is not going back to the house and either the homeless saga begins or he gets institutionalized for the rest of his life.
The second question I don't want to know.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Following question, what would happen to barb now that she is a victim of sexual assault?

Also, I don't know if this is true or not, I read it on reddit, but apparently Barbara liked it...? Is that true?!


Thank you preemptively for your answers.

Nobody knows. The only primary source we have is Chris, who is obviously an unreliable narrator.

Personal opinion:

I'd hazard that Barb probably did wind up consenting given that Chris is easily cowed in the face of any resistance, and the lack of an aggressive response by law enforcement, who would deal far more harshly with someone who violently raped their mother.

Go back and read the threads a bit and almost all your questions will be answered. There will be little to no new info until February and the new hearing. It's also been a hot minute since we've had a new jail letter.

 

[The Courier*]

Go back and read the threads a bit and almost all your questions will be answered. There will be little to no new info until February and the new hearing. It's also been a hot minute since we've had a new jail letter.

Yeah, I'm gonna spare some time this weekend and go thru the whole thing cause I have a ton of questions that were probably asked several times already.

I'm really kind in shock by the sudden turn of events in Chris life and in my opinion this is the nail in the coffin.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Yeah, I'm gonna spare some time this weekend and go thru the whole thing cause I have a ton of questions that were probably asked several times already.

I'm really kind in shock by the sudden turn of events in Chris life and in my opinion this is the nail in the coffin.

I don't think this is the end of Chris, just the end of an era. Nobody knows exactly what's going to happen, but things will have definitely changed and the dynamic of Chris' existence will be very different. It could begin a dark Terry Davis-style timeline that ends in tragedy, or it could just fade out with a whimper like the exile of Napoleon.

Or it could begin a new era of a revitalized Dark Chris that continues for a decade or more, where he gets back on the internet but now has very different reactions from others due to the moral event horizon that he's crossed.

Whatever happens, it's interesting to follow the course of events.

 

[Tikbalang]

I don't think this is the end of Chris, just the end of an era. Nobody knows exactly what's going to happen, but things will have definitely changed and the dynamic of Chris' existence will be very different. It could begin a dark Terry Davis-style timeline that ends in tragedy, or it could just fade out with a whimper like the exile of Napoleon.

Or it could begin a new era of a revitalized Dark Chris that continues for a decade or more, where he gets back on the internet but now has very different reactions from others due to the moral event horizon that he's crossed.

Whatever happens, it's interesting to follow the course of events.

We can only speculate.

 

[Sharkbait]

Or it could begin a new era of a revitalized Dark Chris that continues for a decade or more, where he gets back on the internet but now has very different reactions from others due to the moral event horizon that he's crossed.

Chris, in his search for China was eventually corrupted by evil powers, just like Arthas Menethil when he was merely looking for the power to free his people from the scourge.

EDIT: Now I can see Bob's ghost saying "Christian, my son... there must always be a lolcow."

 

[FightenGnome]

Oh, there's no doubt Chis "wanted woman". He even had the shirt to prove it. But he didn't want a woman enough to put any actual exertion into it. All his attempts in his Love Quest involved trying to get (or trick or whatever) women to come to him. The difference is significant. At best he'd try weird behaviors (such as throwing rocks) like something in a dating sim, and then get frustrated when the promised boyfriend-free-girl failed to magically appear. It never, ever occurred to him that relationships with other people need to be earned.

It's almost like he believes he's entitled to female attention.

Oh wait, he does believe that.

Look up the story of the Crazy Pacer, where Chris actually approached Anna and asked her if she was available. Look up the entirety of the Megan Saga and if you want to get into the post-contact era, the Wallflower. Those are instances of events that contradict your statement directly. There are other cases where I'd say it was more or less a blend, like Sarah Hammer or Tiffany Gowen where Chris simply lacked the opportunity to engage directly and never got the chance.

Chris did the other stuff for sure, but he pretty much made every attempt he could. Chris "Not trying hard enough" and Chris needing to "lower his standards" are two common misconceptions I see here and on the chans of people that are trying to find a solution to Chris' failed lovequest. It's baffling to me that people seem to get the idea that a fat, autistic, no prospects, narcissistic coom brain can't find a girlfriend and that it must be him "not trying hard enough" despite one of the positive traits Chris had in the Classic Era being high productivity albeit of mediocre shit or even worse that his "standards are too high" when he was fine with dating women who could have their own exhibit at Sea World.

Additionally I don't fault Chris for believing he should have attention from women. Most men or women want to think they're attractive to the opposite sex. Chris' fault is that this desire isn't tempered by reality like is the case for most people, not that he believes he should have it at all.

 

[King Metalia]

Nobody weened Chris into fucking his own mother. Chris came up with that idea all on his very own.

Chris has been unsalvageable for decades. His ultimate destiny has always been the same. Only the various "side quests" on his way there have provided any interest.

tl;dr: Chris' life is Chris' fault. Nobody else's.




Speaking as a taxpayer, I don't really care either way so long as I don't have to pay for it (or for the inevitable complications and side effects). That said, I might be persuaded to hand over 5¢ for a small rubber band.




Standing still in one place holding up a creepy sign doesn't count as chasing. I'm not sure what the hell it actually is, but it's not chasing.




On the contrary, Heilberg knew better than to request bail because he knew it would NOT have been granted. Given Chris' violation of the EPO, given Chris' high probability to re-offend, given the constant online scrutiny of Chris, and given, well, Chris himself, there was no way Chris was getting bail.

Besides, Heilberg knew letting Chris run loose would only be creating more work for himself.

Also, as has been pointed out elsewhere, what the hell else could they do with him but leave him in jail? There's no way Chris could make bail himself, and what bondsman would take him on? I don't know if it qualifies for bail releases, but the courts have a certain responsibility to place special individuals like Chris into suitable housing. Where would that be? It's simply easier for all concerned to leave him in jail. Chris isn't worth the effort of finding another solution.




This.





Bob hoped Chris could somehow become self sufficient and move out of his house. I don't think Bob particularly cared how. Given Chris' interest in drawing, he probably picked CADD as one of the few possibilities. Even Bob realized Chris would never make a career out of economics or sociology or whatever.




Also this. There was no way Chris was getting bail. Anything he said at the hearing only confirmed that decision.




No worse than those twits who litter Chick Tracts. No better either.



Oh weens. If the weenery is so lame even the weens can see it and refuse to take credit, why even do it?




You're assuming he'd have the cell to himself. Prisons are too overcrowded to afford speds like Chris the luxury of their own cells. Chances are he'd have a roommate, and, depending on the roommate, that could lead to all sorts of (unwanted) human contact.

But Chris isn't going to prison …yet.

It's funny the greatest Chris Chan troll of them all is Chris himself.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

So Chris refers to his fat, autistic, IRL self as merely his "body"?

I guess that's how he maintains the illusion to himself that he's a "goddess", despite being a weak, flabby, limited mortal with no use of magical powers.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

It's baffling to me that people seem to get the idea that a fat, autistic, no prospects, narcissistic coom brain can't find a girlfriend and that it must be him "not trying hard enough" despite one of the positive traits Chris had in the Classic Era being high productivity albeit of mediocre shit or even worse that his "standards are too high" when he was fine with dating women who could have their own exhibit at Sea World.

This. THIS.

While it was arranged by trolls (Kim and Marvin I think?), they were trolls that actually cared somewhat about Chris, and the date with the Hambeast was for all intents and purposes a real date. Chris got rejected there. He got rejected by someone who was a 2 or a 3 at best (1 being reserved for people with Voldemort-esque missing facial anatomy or something). A non-elderly woman still has better prospects out there than what Chris can offer.

While I still posit that Chris could have scored with old ladies other than Barb, he had no hope with any actually-fertile woman to speak of. It's only his infamy that got any attention from Snoo, and I doubt even she would have followed through after actually physically spending time with Chris.

Through genetic analysis, we know that historically before the advent of monogamous society, only 40% of human males ever managed to reproduce. With our modern society moving away from long-term monogamy -- and it's not quite to prehistoric levels yet -- Chris had absolutely zero chance.

 

[thegooddoctor]

Nobody weened Chris into fucking his own mother. Chris came up with that idea all on his very own.

Chris has been unsalvageable for decades. His ultimate destiny has always been the same. Only the various "side quests" on his way there have provided any interest.

tl;dr: Chris' life is Chris' fault. Nobody else's.

I agree that Chris did this shit entirely without any manipulation or weening on anyone else’s part, I’m tired too of people thinking that it was the work of trolls or weens and orbiters manipulating him behind the strings and being responsible for his degradation as a person, in rare cases like the idea guys yes. Those guys suck and were rightly hated and mocked and mainly anything Chris has done by trolls was never forced upon him. He was always the one to instigate or do any stupid shit he told them to because of gullibility and his own stupidity in not wanting to hold any information back about himself. Time and time again.

But I also do not think that all of Chris’s life is his fault, like it’s mentioned before he did have a genuinely shitty hand in many parts of his life, having autism, being a mute for seven years and having genuinely shitty and coddling parents are all pretty big hurdles to have in childhood, while certainly not all an excuse, are definitely shitty things I wouldn’t wish upon anyone.

I however am beginning to think more and more of the idea that Chris may or may not have experienced some unknown traumatic event in his life that he has never told anyone to this day and has not been known by anyone but him. Specifically, I think it is possible he may have one day been abused sexually or beaten up by some horrible predator when he was a child and has blocked the memory from his mind. Or he remembers and has sever PTSD. Extremely dark thought, but considering what he’s just done to his mother, it may explain his horrific actions.

Do you think it’s possible? If Chris was the recipient of sexual abuse himself at one point of his life? Many famous predators or sick fucks were known to have been victims themselves which creates the horrible cycle of abuse, abused to abuser, continuing on until justice is taken. It’s a big stretch but so you think it’s possible? If it’s true, wouldn’t that explain so much of how Chris turned out to be? Would it cast a more sympathetic light on Chris and all of his history?

 

[Blue Miaplacidus]

Do you think it’s possible? If Chris was the recipient of sexual abuse himself at one point of his life?

no, zero percent chance of it being possible. Chris has no filter and cannot keep shit secret, he would have talked about it in some capacity to someone. If he had I'm sure there would be some screen shot like "This is 100% confidential and stays between my devoted followers and genuine psychic type deities, roach sucked on my duck or whatever".

 

[FightenGnome]

This. THIS.

While it was arranged by trolls (Kim and Marvin I think?), they were trolls that actually cared somewhat about Chris, and the date with the Hambeast was for all intents and purposes a real date. Chris got rejected there. He got rejected by someone who was a 2 or a 3 at best (1 being reserved for people with Voldemort-esque missing facial anatomy or something). A non-elderly woman still has better prospects out there than what Chris can offer.

While I still posit that Chris could have scored with old ladies other than Barb, he had no hope with any actually-fertile woman to speak of. It's only his infamy that got any attention from Snoo, and I doubt even she would have followed through after actually physically spending time with Chris.

Through genetic analysis, we know that historically before the advent of monogamous society, only 40% of human males ever managed to reproduce. With our modern society moving away from long-term monogamy -- and it's not quite to prehistoric levels yet -- Chris had absolutely zero chance.

She was perhaps physically the most unattractive, but I think the zenith of the example of Chris both trying hard in a classical way and having absolutely zero standards was Kacey. Kacey could be really cool irl, I don't know, but she is definitely really overweight that it detracts from her looks significantly and the Kacey character she played was a straight up bitch and in the worst way like nagging and lying about how she can clean the entire house in 20 minutes but that Chris is a loser for taking 5 hours kind of way. Chris STILL pursued her as any guy would pursue any girl.

I don't really like talking about Chris' love life because it's more pitiful than funny like some of the other instances in Christory. It's pitiful because Chris did everything and beyond a normal guy would do to get noticed and make a move, BUT the one thing that would have actually made him successful which was taking a look in the mirror and changing himself. Even little things like being less handsy or creepy in general.

However I do feel the need to point it out to people that Chris didn't fail because he never approached correctly. In some ways, Chris kind of won. I think of that polygamy group of 4 guys dating that one unattractive girl in that one house and that there are worse things out there than striking out your whole life.

 

[Nikes_JustDoIt]

I agree that Chris did this shit entirely without any manipulation or weening on anyone else’s part, I’m tired too of people thinking that it was the work of trolls or weens and orbiters manipulating him behind the strings and being responsible for his degradation as a person, in rare cases like the idea guys yes. Those guys suck and were rightly hated and mocked and mainly anything Chris has done by trolls was never forced upon him. He was always the one to instigate or do any stupid shit he told them to because of gullibility and his own stupidity in not wanting to hold any information back about himself. Time and time again.

But I also do not think that all of Chris’s life is his fault, like it’s mentioned before he did have a genuinely shitty hand in many parts of his life, having autism, being a mute for seven years and having genuinely shitty and coddling parents are all pretty big hurdles to have in childhood, while certainly not all an excuse, are definitely shitty things I wouldn’t wish upon anyone.

I however am beginning to think more and more of the idea that Chris may or may not have experienced some unknown traumatic event in his life that he has never told anyone to this day and has not been known by anyone but him. Specifically, I think it is possible he may have one day been abused sexually or beaten up by some horrible predator when he was a child and has blocked the memory from his mind. Or he remembers and has sever PTSD. Extremely dark thought, but considering what he’s just done to his mother, it may explain his horrific actions.

Do you think it’s possible? If Chris was the recipient of sexual abuse himself at one point of his life? Many famous predators or sick fucks were known to have been victims themselves which creates the horrible cycle of abuse, abused to abuser, continuing on until justice is taken. It’s a big stretch but so you think it’s possible? If it’s true, wouldn’t that explain so much of how Chris turned out to be? Would it cast a more sympathetic light on Chris and all of his history?

Maybe, like the abusive babysitter story where he was locked in a room while Blorb went to drink at the bar. Or where he was trapped under his neighbour's house until the parent found him or in school, which is known in elementary school, middle or high school where most likely he was bullied. Also, not being close with other kids in age range being kicked out of boy scouts or having one friend Joshua Martinez becoming a troll. I don't think he was abusive due to coddling or Bob paying for Chris to have friends and mainstreaming him. (I could be completely wrong)When Chris did the act, I think it is because of the degenerate trolls (post-Bob's death) and comments of incest between them getting to head.
For being sympathies I'm not as he pushed away people that tried to help him and staying with people that play along to screw him over at the end. I think that's his decision and he made the decision multiple times. (I know that Bellas crew encourage it but he knows it wrong and stills does it)

 

[Blue Miaplacidus]

She was perhaps physically the most unattractive, but I think the zenith of the example of Chris both trying hard in a classical way and having absolutely zero standards was Kacey

you're forgetting hambeast. everyone says chris needed to lower his standards but it was all bullshit, chris expressed he wanted an attractive boyfriend free girl who wasn't a slow in the mind, but anything with a china that showed him attention made those requests go right out the window. Hambeast turned down chris, not the opposite. He instantly was fawning over her, so while he pretended to have standards, it was largely bullshit.

from early in the thread:

By Chris' stated standards, Faeryn was very unattractive. It's just that Chris' standards are bullshit and he always folds. Remember kids, there's a big difference between what Chris says and what Chris does.

Also, whoever that was set up by, Chris was still very much into it and was making googly eyes at Faeryn the whole time. Though maybe his fruity drink helped.

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